Or, perhaps the hypothetical speaker considers the results of evil speech to not be as bad as the results of suppression of speech.
That's the usual philosophical/ethical argument, yes.
I usually take a more practical argument that results in the same conclusion, which is that: 1. Suppressing someone's opinions can cause resentment, which makes people dig in to those opinions, making them stronger. This is a big risk if they are problematic ("evil" as you say). In contrast, allowing someone to air their grievances before they turn virulent, and helping them resolve those grievances, is key to defusing situations. 2. Suppressing the expression of opinions one doesn't like can make one less aware of people's opinions and thus the social context of things. This becomes really important in political/policy topics.
Basically, better to let people express themselves and then actually have a discussion with them, even if it's tedious, than force them to bottle it up and give them a reason to hate you.
This quote only makes sense if the hypothetical speaker has a very low opinion of his/her ability to judge others, or his/her right to enforce such judgment on others.
how about a low opinion of their ability to enforce such judgment in a way that doesn't have collateral damage?
I guess it comes down to the difference between, "that's wrong", and, "I think that's wrong". The distinction between one's subjective perception of truth or morality and the truth or morality itself.
And this would exist on a scale from absolutism to relativism.
"Disapprove of", is not quite fully relativist, as the speaker allows himself or herself the ability or right to disapprove, but not to act on such disapproval.
"Disagree with", is more relativist, and thus fits in more with the second half.
This quote only makes sense if the hypothetical speaker has a very low opinion of his/her ability to judge others, or his/her right to enforce such judgment on others.
how about a low opinion of their ability to enforce such judgment in a way that doesn't have collateral damage?
That's it exactly! Thank you for saying clearly what I was trying to express.
Gah. Governor Herbert wants to undo the Bear's Ears national monument and defund Planned Parenthood. I disagree with the first, and saying my actual stance on the second would get me banned here so I'll just say I disagree with the second.
Huh. Today I learned the other reason why my mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother was disowned by her family. Apparently, her parents gave her and her husband two slaves as a wedding present, and the newlyweds freed them within the week.
I always thought it was just the conversion to Mormonism that cheesed off her parents.
Apparently, this couple, my great-great-great-great grandparents, annoyed Brigham Young somehow , and that's why they were sent to live in Saint George instead of Salt Lake.
Saint George is one of many towns originally established almost entirely by people who irritated Brigham Young. My dad's ancestors were mostly sent North to Idaho, and my mom's ancestors were sent South.
my family history involves fleeing Holland in the wake of some upheaval or another, some of us becoming voortrekkers, and then going to America to mingle with the other kind of Dutch.
My roots are from Eastern Kentucky and West Virginia coal country, and yes, that implies pretty much everything you think it does. As far as we know, the main lines go back to Wales and Scotland but there's a lot of twists and turns involved.
We Mormons consider it a religious obligation to keep a journal, and to do genealogical work and family history. The Church was established in 1830, fairly recently as far as history goes.
The stereotypical "I'm totally part (insert Native American tribe here) guys, but I don't know on which side." Johnny Depp thing confuses me. Wouldn't you try to find the relevant records or verify it, before telling people about it?
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
Because that would mean accepting the possibility that it doesn't have a basis in fact.
We Mormons consider it a religious obligation to keep a journal, and to do genealogical work and family history. The Church was established in 1830, fairly recently as far as history goes.
The stereotypical "I'm totally part (insert Native American tribe here) guys, but I don't know on which side." Johnny Depp thing confuses me. Wouldn't you try to find the relevant records or verify it, before telling people about it?
anyways i don't know much about my extended family besides irish/german ancestry on my dad's side and adoption on my mom's. apparently my german ancestors came here in the late 1800s and fought in wwi and still got accused of dual loyalty, though, lol
also my dad's side supposedly has cherokee ancestry but i'm like 99% sure that's bs; iirc my sister took a dna test and not only did it not have cherokee, it didn't even have the black ancestry that a lot of people claim native american ancestry to hide
We Mormons consider it a religious obligation to keep a journal, and to do genealogical work and family history. The Church was established in 1830, fairly recently as far as history goes.
The stereotypical "I'm totally part (insert Native American tribe here) guys, but I don't know on which side." Johnny Depp thing confuses me. Wouldn't you try to find the relevant records or verify it, before telling people about it?
In the class on human disease I'm taking, Mormons were used to study the effects of certain hereditary diseases because their records of family history were so good.
I've already mentioned that the only reason we can't really track my dad's family further back than the 1600s is because they probably fled the Protestant Reformation and subsequent Jew-murdering in Holland and only really put down roots in Poland later, but that's still quite a ways back.
As for my mom's family, they missed the Mayflower, somebody has a castle, and my great-great-great-grandmother was an Irish Catholic from the North who divorced her husband and is apparently descended from at least one High King of Tara.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
If I could go back in time I would visit Franz Kafka and tell him that in the future he is a beloved author and regarded as one of the greats, and I would give him a hug.
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I usually take a more practical argument that results in the same conclusion, which is that:
1. Suppressing someone's opinions can cause resentment, which makes people dig in to those opinions, making them stronger. This is a big risk if they are problematic ("evil" as you say). In contrast, allowing someone to air their grievances before they turn virulent, and helping them resolve those grievances, is key to defusing situations.
2. Suppressing the expression of opinions one doesn't like can make one less aware of people's opinions and thus the social context of things. This becomes really important in political/policy topics.
Basically, better to let people express themselves and then actually have a discussion with them, even if it's tedious, than force them to bottle it up and give them a reason to hate you.
And this would exist on a scale from absolutism to relativism.
"Disapprove of", is not quite fully relativist, as the speaker allows himself or herself the ability or right to disapprove, but not to act on such disapproval.
"Disagree with", is more relativist, and thus fits in more with the second half.
just in case you didn't know
I listened to the organ concerts held by the LDS church.
I hear it's one of the world's biggest organs.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Mormon genealogies are good enough for ~science~
As for my mom's family, they missed the Mayflower, somebody has a castle, and my great-great-great-grandmother was an Irish Catholic from the North who divorced her husband and is apparently descended from at least one High King of Tara.