Tnu, I'm not a spooky "authority". I'm a literature student from England who found TV Tropes and liked it, dicked around and got into silly arguments and shitposted and did all the exact same daft things everyone else did, got a PM from an admin I hardly knew at the time asking me to help out, and said yes.
The other TV Tropes mods could tell you similar stories. We're not exactly the Mafia, here.
But anyway, the main thing seems to be that we can all agree that there are some messed up people on TVTropes but not whether or not them being messed up is reason enough to ban them.
I just don't see how that's an issue that even *has* a solution.
I actually don't disagree, at least not in principle, but then we have to define what "paedophilic" means. Because it doesn't mean the same thing to everybody. Outright child porn has been banned as long as the site's existed, it's an issue of fence stuff like KnJ and where we draw the line.
I mean, there are people who would think I'm a pedophile for watching Lucky*Star (as I've brought up before). Do you think they have a point? I certainly don't, but I'm sure some do.
It's one of those things where it's very hard to get a clear answer.
Someone a while back brought up the notion t hat a possible criteria for bannign was being condescending. Or that that was or is used as a criteria. In my time and experiences on the wiki at least I never recalled that being the case.
It well might be--I've said it before and I'll say it again, I've never seen it--but I'm just using it as an example.
I don't know, guys. Can I ask an honest question here? Is anyone just totally sick of talking about this, but feels like they for some reason *need* to? Because that's how I feel.
Someone a while back brought up the notion t hat a possible criteria for bannign was being condescending. Or that that was or is used as a criteria. In my time and experiences on the wiki at least I never recalled that being the case.
That's not against the rules no. Mostly because condescending-ness is hard to quantify.
^^^But the intent doesn't really affect the result. The result is that it seems to be watched exclusively by paedophiles (maybe it isn't but it seems like it), and you don't want them on a site.
I mean let's be straight here, why do we care about this?
I'll be frank, I care because I don't want to be called a pedo just because I'm sitting on the sidelines not doing anything. I don't want to be called a supporter of so-and-so or such-and-such just because I'm not actively opposing its opposite. It's gotten to the point where I want to tear my hair out over this but it just feels unavoidable.
What? Being labeled a pedo because you're not actively trying to drive out anyone who might even have the slightest chance of being one? It's happened before.
*sigh*
I just can't care about this anymore. I know it's selfish and rude of me, but I just kind of want everyone to stop talking about it.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
Is anyone just totally sick of talking about this, but feels like they for some reason *need* to? Because that's how I feel.
I get that. It's frustrating that these discussions never accomplish anything, but I keep going anyway because I want to see things improve.
Vociferous: I'm not talking to or about you in particular, I mean this subject in general.
I get that. It's frustrating that these discussions never accomplish anything, but I keep going anyway because I want to see things improve.
But that's the thing. They won't improve. Even if we ban every pedophile and racist and whatever, the "TVTropes has issues that need to be addressed" crowd will still find something new that's "wrong" with the site. I mean seriously, I think our issue at this point is actually that we're too self-critical, we're always talking about the problems we have with the wiki, the forums, and whatnot. When's the last time any of us said anything we liked about the place?
Anyway, it would probably serve you well to step away from this thread, Superglobe.
Is that a suggestion or an order? I'm not trying to be a jerk here, I'm just asking for honest opinions.
Watch whatever you damn well please. No on e has the right to tell you how to live so long as you do not directly initiate force or fraud on anyone el se.
So long as they don't try to use force or fraud against anyone to herm their person or property None of my business what they think. That's the bauty of it 9I don't havew to like them if I don't want to.
Well excuse me for not being able to parse things correctly 100% of the time, GAWD.
Naney: If they make it obvious, you don't need to, but otherwise I guess you don't. If they aren't making it public on ever online discussion they take part in, they're probably much less at risk for doing something terrible.
You don't just ban people you think are a paedo with no evidence, duh.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
In general? You don't. You'd have to guess, therein lies the problem.
Which is why, in practice, your policy would be less "ban pedos" and more "ban people who express approval of pedophilia."
I can name only a handful of people who would willingly say "it's okay to be a pedo". And none who would defend an active pedo.
Beyond that, you have to get into "well this person implied" and "this person watches x, y, and z, so they MUST" and things like that. And that is not something I want to be involved in.
Well excuse me for not being able to parse things correctly 100% of the time, GAWD.
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The other TV Tropes mods could tell you similar stories. We're not exactly the Mafia, here.
That would kinda fuck up the crowner system, just a bit...
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That's called "Democracy", Tnu.
Y'know, that thing everyone always complains TVTropes isn't.
Now can we cool down here? I come to this site to escape the "SA is right/SA is wrong" nonsense on TVT.
And to be honest, so do I (even though said nonsense has barely come up here).
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(Not speaking in any position of authority, that would be abuse.)
My bad.
But anyway, the main thing seems to be that we can all agree that there are some messed up people on TVTropes but not whether or not them being messed up is reason enough to ban them.
I just don't see how that's an issue that even *has* a solution.
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^What is it?
I actually don't disagree, at least not in principle, but then we have to define what "paedophilic" means. Because it doesn't mean the same thing to everybody. Outright child porn has been banned as long as the site's existed, it's an issue of fence stuff like KnJ and where we draw the line.
I mean, there are people who would think I'm a pedophile for watching Lucky*Star (as I've brought up before). Do you think they have a point? I certainly don't, but I'm sure some do.
It's one of those things where it's very hard to get a clear answer.
It well might be--I've said it before and I'll say it again, I've never seen it--but I'm just using it as an example.
I don't know, guys. Can I ask an honest question here? Is anyone just totally sick of talking about this, but feels like they for some reason *need* to? Because that's how I feel.
That's not against the rules no. Mostly because condescending-ness is hard to quantify.
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I mean let's be straight here, why do we care about this?
I'll be frank, I care because I don't want to be called a pedo just because I'm sitting on the sidelines not doing anything. I don't want to be called a supporter of so-and-so or such-and-such just because I'm not actively opposing its opposite. It's gotten to the point where I want to tear my hair out over this but it just feels unavoidable.
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What? Being labeled a pedo because you're not actively trying to drive out anyone who might even have the slightest chance of being one? It's happened before.
*sigh*
I just can't care about this anymore. I know it's selfish and rude of me, but I just kind of want everyone to stop talking about it.
Am I alone here? Or am I not making sense?
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Anyway, it would probably serve you well to step away from this thread, Superglobe.
Vociferous: I'm not talking to or about you in particular, I mean this subject in general.
But that's the thing. They won't improve. Even if we ban every pedophile and racist and whatever, the "TVTropes has issues that need to be addressed" crowd will still find something new that's "wrong" with the site. I mean seriously, I think our issue at this point is actually that we're too self-critical, we're always talking about the problems we have with the wiki, the forums, and whatnot. When's the last time any of us said anything we liked about the place?
Is that a suggestion or an order? I'm not trying to be a jerk here, I'm just asking for honest opinions.
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Some tropers are pretty cool, and I'm lad I can be openly gay and kinky there.^w^
I know, and I sympathize. As an idea, it's great, but it's so hard to put in to practice.
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But.
But.
Butbutbut.
Thats. What I've said. In every. Single. Discussion. This topic has come up in, Vociferous.
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In general? You don't. You'd have to guess, therein lies the problem.
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MURDER? 0w0
Yes, but what counts as "approval of pedophilia"?
I can name only a handful of people who would willingly say "it's okay to be a pedo". And none who would defend an active pedo.
Beyond that, you have to get into "well this person implied" and "this person watches x, y, and z, so they MUST" and things like that. And that is not something I want to be involved in.
I wasn't yelling.