Something just hit me

Tnu1138

Is an y one else thinking of Fast Eddies behavior sin ce the deletion of IJBM onward as a huge Creator Breakdown? I can't help but think that something snapped in the mans head at some point Which is wh y he had so man y changes made to the site since. the mandatory positivity, deletion of some Just For Fun pages and namespaces. Much more rampent banning activity? I t all stinks of Creator Breakdown. I would guess that th is happened some time at the very earliest after Janitor left. Seems like the logical assumption of a catalyst. Thoughts?

Anonus

He's struck me as kind of a hothead even before IJBM got the axe. It's just that people seem to actually care about this now, at least people who haven't left.

DickGrabrod

People have been saying this for years.

Salix Babylonika

I can't imagine FE doesn't still keep contact with Janitor, they're close friends. At least that's the impression I always got.

Jan doesn't post anymore mostly because she has a very demanding job.

Tnu1138

It's ju8st depressing I find m yself unab le to give up on TVT because it was a sanctuary for me in tough times. I h ave a love for the wiki because it gave me something I haden't had 98in a l ong time. A sense of place. Being a virtual nomad sucks.

Ace Rimmer

There are rumours on the internet that FE = Gus = Jan

Beholder

I find it difficult to comment, because, as much as I don't like the changes on TVT - it used to be the only place I felt like I belong, and it is no longer so - I suppose I still should be grateful for making that site in the first place

Justice4243

"There are rumours on the internet that FE = Gus = Jan"

This certainly makes some of the conversations on the cobbies thread rather interesting...

Ace Rimmer

Oh, how so?

Justice4243

Well there's this and this.

Oh man, really am a TV Tropes old fag at this point.

This is where discuss the waffle recipe I use on a fairly regular bases and here is where I discuss the Thai restaurant that's pretty much become staple food at our house.

Tnu1138

Amen Beholder. Wait are you the same person as Beholdress i'm not sure.

Beholder

Yes, the same

Justice4243

Tnu1138

Just figured I'd clear that up because I wasn't sure. Ha san yone ever told you you have beautiful eyes?

Beholder

Ahh, thank you. Which ones? (blushes)

Tnu1138

the other ones

Justice4243

Your Death ray and Fear ray especially. 

Tnu1138

It's pretty scary though. TVT is falling apart and changing rapidly and thwsre's nothing that can be done about it.

Haven

It's just a website. Fast Eddie's nuts, but if the entire site falls apart I still have my friends' emails and phone numbers and screen names. Failing that, there's IRC and, hey, this place. It's not like the people will be gone forever, just a certain social configuration, and that's always been in flux.

Anonus

There have been several points in the last several months where I have tried to leave outright. I never know where exactly to go, though this place is obvious (as I am its creator and very involved in its community and upkeep), but I figure somewhere else would be fine too.

Tnu1138

That's very strange kind of hard to comprehend just uprooting a place and disgarding it. Seems like i'm one of the few who has a hard time wiht that.

Anonus

TVT has a way of sucking you in. I've been able to take breaks from the place before, but I've never been able to stay away for very long.

Imipolex G

If the Trash Heap somehow bit the dust, I might be able to quit TVT.

Maybe.

Anonus

I've tried the whole "sticking to your watchlist" thing before, but it didn't work. Felt more insular than just frequenting one board most of the time.

Imipolex G

I've been doing the "stick to my watchlist" for what...a year now? It's basically second nature now.

Also, IJBM has been dead for a year and I forgot to mark the occasion. Ah well.

Anonus

I marked it by visiting IJBM2 (something I seldom do) and using that Link avatar that its personification did for a time.

Tnu1138

Stick to your Watchlist?--

Anonus

Yeah. Put a bunch of threads on it and don't stray from them most of the time.

Tnu1138

Strangely I don't quite like to do that right now i'm  just trying tog et access to the site again. Have to be able to do it.

Anonus

*sigh* It's not happening. Sorry.

Princess Alice

I have wanted to leave TVT for a while now, but I'm just too attached to the place. It's one of very few places where I feel I fit in and I don't want to lose that feeling.

I keep wanting to branch out to other forums and interact with entirely new people, but I wouldn't even know where to start.

Tnu1138

CA knows what I'm feeling here except i've pretty m uch given up on  "branching out" im a type ot find a place and settle there. After a while i've exhausted my capacity to do so. So to you Anon I say that I hope to God that you are wrong. If you're right then I really don't know.

Justice4243

I found reexamining my posting habits has helped a bit. I just stick to a few threads and occasionally peruse OTC (often finding nothing of interest).

Tnu1138

OTC was really the problem filled with a bunch of pretentious (and yes I know what i'm saying), smug, judgmental, high-headed, (insert projective here because I can't think of a good one. If an admin wants to edit one in feel free to do so). Not sure if i'm allowed to mention any names.

Justice4243

Probably best if you didn't. It's not bad to discuss this stuff, but we don't want to turn it vindictive to specific tropers. 

Tnu1138

This is goin g to make me such a hypocrite but I can't pass it up. What's a tropper? For that matter though it's no one who goes here though I'd love to get a chan ce to shove a foot of their collective asses.

Anonus

A troper. Justice makes typos sometimes.

Justice4243

If by "sometimes" you mean "about every other post" then that would be accurate.

Tnu1138

I know it was a bit of a joke feels good to get some payback for all the crapI get about

Justice4243

D:< Now, I've been very good about not giving you crapl! 

;P

Tnu1138

You're right you didn't deserve that i'm sorry.

Princess Alice

You know what's weird? It annoyed me when people acted like IJBM was some kind of plague that must be avoided at all costs, but I just avoid OTC even though people say the same shit about it.

Tnu1138

That's because OTC is a wretc hed Hive. Filled with so me of the worst kidns of people I have ever met. But that would just be my rational.

Anonus

People there have said some rather appalling things, though I usually don't see them unless they get quoted somewhere else.

Justice4243

I think they're both negative in their own right.

IJBM was almost designed to bread negativity. But was even worse was that people would often attack the opening post (which was often fairly unapologetically negative) the rest created drama and tons of work for the mods.

OTC has many controversial topics with people absolutely certain they're in the right. Now, the rules tend to keep things civil on the surface at least, but many people are fairly hostile. This SHOULD cause the mods tons of work, but I think they simply don't care to police OTC that much unless someone reports something.

Anonus

IJBM was inherently negative. It was a forum devoted to complaining!

Tnu1138

and with out it all of that just went to other parts of the site. Even in wiki politics create a rule patch it does not work. In my general understanding laws actually do very little to deterr crime. In fact they have a tendency to simply create new criminals ( Drug  Prohibition for example) or put the innocent at a disadvantage (firearm legislation). But that's going a  bit of a step further in applicaiton.

Justice4243

Eh, I think it depends on WHICH laws we're talking about

Theft is one I think we'd see a great increase of if it wasn't punished and if there was no one to stop others from taking the law into their own hand, I'd imagine we'd become a much more violent society if we could steal when we please and dish out retribution as we see fit. 

Restricting substances definitely has a different mentality. As shown currently with some drugs and in the past with prohibition, the laws can easily cause more crime than they prevent, but I don't think that necessarily carries over to other types of laws.

Not sure how much of this applies to the TVT fora, but I think if there where no rules regarding treating people civilly or they weren't enforced at all, the fora would be much more hostile than it already is. 

I've seen threads with little to know rules regarding treating each other civilly. They're not nice places.

Tnu1138

This can all boil down to semantics too on the subject of laws. If there is no law then is there a crime? One could say that law by its very nature creates crime. But that's quite the philosophical minefield to tread. I'm more of the mind that the law should be as clear as possible without room for Loophole Abuse on either side. Rather against the whole "Moderators can act on their discretion and ban you for any reason wit hout warning" appraoch. There really needs to be mo re of a system of enumerated powers to allow people ot feel safe from the whims of the administration.

EDIT: Really sorrya b out that went in to a tangent again feel free to igno re that.

Justice4243

I agree that the sort of "vague and ill defined reasons you can be banned for" thing hasn't worked out that. well for the fora. 

Tnu1138

You kno w you do seem to l ive up to your name my friend.