Discussion of TV Tropes

Beholder

Blast it, it seems that TVT managed to become more important to me than I realised. And not in the good way, more in "please validate my existence" way. I do not seem to be taking withdrawal well.

Viani

Don't become a tnu though, just remember that living without it is fine, and there are a ton of other multimedia sites you can go to, to talk about things that interest you.

Misery

Tno's right.

Beholder

I still can't find anything interesting for me. To be honest, discussion about media itself is not something that interested me much on TVT - I've tried to post in some of the videogames threads, but I am not particularly fond of "all aspects of a given game go to the same thread and discussion of any specific topic is difficult to trace" format.

I've been on TVT for general discussion more than for anything else. OTC, IJBM, non-megathread-or-wonderpost aspects of YF...

More importantly, I had no idea how much self-esteem I had invested in being regarded well there. Blast it

Ace Rimmer

I think the problem with TV tropes is that people think the average user is a self described "Badass Creepy Stalker asexual with Aspergers who is a dead pan snarker with a heart of gold,  wears a trenchcoat and a fedora, and reads KnJ for the plot"

Beholder

What is wrong with asexuals or people with Aspergers?

Ace Rimmer

Nothing

Obā-san

Because people on the internet who say they are either are frequently neither.

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Bunny

Because they want to be special?

People make up shit about themselves, good and bad, just to be noticed by everyone.

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Obā-san

Because they think Aspergers gives them an excuse for being antisocial fucks.

Because they simply don't get that we have to work SO HARD just to learn the skills others take for granted.

Ace Rimmer

Squid, they also want to justify why they are a social shutin with no mates

Edit: Those damm American Ninjas with their American candy :/

Obā-san

ASPIE NINJA SKILLZ~

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Bunny

Ooooh! I have kind of poor social skills, I should run around and tell everyone that I have Asperger's and then get punched in the face by my boyfriend!

Obā-san

Oh U.

Vriska

I don't have Asperger's, nor do I want to have it or to pretend I have it. And I'm not even the one who usually mentions my 8eing asexual when it comes up. It is not the "I'm going to say I am so I sound more interesting than if I said either that I'm a young teen and not yet interested in sex or that it makes a good excuse for still being a virgin when the truth is no one wants my 8od" that some people seem to think is the reason people declare themselves asexual. I could "get some" if I wanted to, and I've messed around in the past to see what the 8ig deal is. I just found the whole thing incredi8ly dull, have no interest to do it again, and while there are people who I find physically attractive and aesthetically pleasing, I'm not sexually attracted to them. 

Sorry for sounding defensive, I just see the "asexual" thing 8andied around as "this is something people say for attention" and wanted to clarify. (Though I do agree that when people lie a8out anything, whether it 8e sexuality or gender or a disorder or whatever, or exagger8 or self-diagnose something just to 8e "interesting" or "accepted", that's annoying.) 

Ace Rimmer

Btw, what I said was also supposed to taken as a whole

Vriska

I was commenting more on the "people who say this are really not" mindset.

Imipolex G

I am completely asexual

Obā-san

^Pfffft.

Imipolex G

So are you.

Beholder

(shrugs) I'm not technically an asexual but it is easier to say than to describe my real attitude to sex. No, not to get attention. If anything, to avoid getting unwanted attention, as my ugliness is not as much a discouragement in the net as it would be in real life.

But most of what was said above seems to be one of the attitudes that were not common to TVT before. I liked TVT because, among other things, it did not enforce normative "you have to have mate and posse or you're loooooser" attitude. Lack of mate is not something that has to be justified. Not fitting in is not always one's fault. TVT used to be the place that affirmed my right to be what I am. One of the reasons I've joined the forums was that I was just so overwhelmingly surprised to find people as "strange" as I've used to think of myself. Now it seems that people like me (not longing for mate and having poor social skills) are becoming acceptable targets again, in order for the site to look "normal".

Again, I might be overreacting. I probably am (shrugs).

Justice4243

"Btw, what I said was also supposed to taken as a whole"

I noticed. Kinda surprised people figured you where snipping at everything on the list.

It's a really good point though, TVT, is rather supportive of some of these traits when really, they shouldn't often be considered "good things" or "things you should just accept and do nothing about". And THAT is where the "hugbox" talk comes from.

Ace Rimmer

I noticed. Kinda surprised people figured you where snipping at everything on the list.

What does this sentence mean? oO

Justice4243

People seemed to assume you had a problem with asexuals and people with 
Aspergers when  you only had issue with those people when they where self described as both as well as  "Badass Creepy Stalker ... who is a dead pan snarker with a heart of gold,  wears a trenchcoat and a fedora, and reads KnJ for the plot", I.E. you where painting a picture of a semi-common troper archetype. 

Ace Rimmer

Yes I was trying to paint that picture as the stereotypical troper is all that

Mr_W

I have to ask, why would anyone label themselves as a Stalker? Really, it's not exactly healthy. 

Irene

@Mr_W: Because not everybody has a healthy mind.

Viani

The attitude reflects "I know what I am doing is wrong, but that is no reason to be ashamed of it."

millercross

Pretty much what Vorpy said. It's basically saying "I'm self aware guys, you totes should like me as I understand what tropes are in my life"

Mr_W

Okay, I know about the little mantra "Pointing out stupid things make them more acceptable" and all, but applying that to something like this actually makes it more disgusting. 

Wait a sec, are people like that Fusionman fellow(who was well known for his creepy fixation on this one girl, and talked about it practically everyday on one thread before being banned) aware of their behavior?

lee4hmz

They're either unaware, or they're aware but feel powerless to do anything about it. I've been in the latter situation myself before, and it's much easier to either give up and move on, or find a way to improve your behavior and repair whatever relationship is left. He wasn't really willing to do either; he saw this girl as a potential mate, and despite claiming over and over that he just wanted to be friends with her, his behavior was more "I want to tap that CHOICE ASS and she's being a bitch about it" than "I care about this person and respect her feelings and understand that she wants to be left alone right now".

Viani

Well fusionman used to post as Blaze Bullet a couple years ago but whatever.

Ace Rimmer

What?

Viani

He got banned for rambling on about the almost exact same things as fusionman did, with the generally same demeanor and outlook.

and speaking of the above, I feel guilty about doing the thing lee talked about above, swooning and obsessing over my MDP, and then getting butthurt or jealous when he doesn't sleep with me, but somebody I demonize into some irrational possessive bitch.

millercross

Fusionman and Blaze Bullet being the same person is as likely as me being secretly Guitar Bizarre.

Irene

Fuse is aware, from what I read. However, I think he's so wallowed in his depression, that he doesn't care, or just would rather argue and hates pity.(this is fairly common, unfortunately)

But eh. I could say more, as my opinions of him are less than nice, and I do feel bad for him in some ways, and hate what he does in others. I'm at best neutral towards him.

As for being unaware, some actually are. They do not understand what the problem is, and may scream at those who point it out. It does help to point it out carefully and respectively.(not enough people do this)

Viani

But but

you are GB

Ace Rimmer

Who is Guitar Blaze?

millercross

Guitar Bizarre was an English atheist troper who ranted a lot about shit and fancied himself to be a real life Kamina of sorts. I only interacted with him once, really. It was a horrible day.

Ace Rimmer

By English you mean British?

millercross

From England. Whatever term works better

Ace Rimmer

Okay you mad Peruvian

lee4hmz

He also seemed to take Monster Cable's claims about audio quality seriously. Taking pretty much anyone's claims about audio quality seriously is suspect, especially if they're trying to sell you cables or accessories. It's the audio equivalent of those magnetic gadgets that claim to improve your gas mileage.

I seem to remember the argument being about speaker wire, too, and speaker wire doesn't have to be superconducting superwire, it needs to handle relatively high current and have low resistance per foot so your super-duper amp's power isn't wasted. To me, that doesn't say overpriced "premium" speaker wire, that says "14-2 Romex from the hardware store". XD

Obā-san

This is why I stick with my KOSS headphones. Audiophiles are so silly.

Salix Babylonika

I recall him and I getting into several heated arguments about vinyl. 

I also recall him being a total and utter jackass.

Irene

Which person, Spain Sun?

Salix Babylonika

Guitar Bizarre.

Wasn't just me though, he picked fights with um.

well

I think everybody but like two people.

He also had a fanclub because he was so BRUTALLY HONEST and A TOTAL REBEL AGAINST THE HUGBOX CULTURE OF TVTROPES.