The Trash Heap of the Heapers' Hangout

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  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    implied authorial intent

    often it's there, often it's obvious even, but you can never read the author's mind
  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    Panurge said:

    American Pharoah would also be a good name for a rapper, I feel.

    image
  • a Pharoah is a MonARch minus the A&R 

    fucking beautiful
  • Tachyon said:

    Y'know when i write something i don't always intend to make anyone feel like anything

    sometimes i just write because i wanna write

    And like that's okay and all, but if you want to get good at it you can't actively shun the notion that there are certain processes that help make your work more meaningful.
  • I Didn't Do It is the most grievous of the new shows. The others I've seen at least ape human interaction with some success, and have some self-awareness of what they are. But no one is capable of thought or sympathy in that show.
  • edited 2015-06-06 23:10:35
    Munch munch, chomp chomp...
    I... think Tachyon knows that? Honestly that comes off as a little patronizing to me, given that Tachy's literally a creative writing major and is probably just making an off-hand comment about things they do.

    Also, pretty sure it's Disney Ecks Dee, Tach.
  • edited 2015-06-06 23:09:59
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Panurge said:

    You know what's unrelated to this conversation?

    The Disney Channel. I'm visiting a godniece in the hospital and, frig, at some point, they stopped caring completely

    I think everyone but Cartoon Network stopped trying.
    Cartoon Network runs shows of actual quality, which is why the likes of Variety tend not to mention it in the same sentence as Nickelodeon or Disney Channel, or as part of the shortlist of Time Warner properties
  • Also, there was an ad for Doctor Who for Disney XD on. The music was as if the musicians behind Johnny Test were asked to write Doctor Who's theme song

    I don't even respect DW and I think it deserves more than that
  • Vriska said:

    I am........ tired. Work was 8usy which is good though since it was dead yesterday.


    Also I am plotting to knit a 8oo8 window sweater. Is that worth any Imipoints?
    yes, that is worth 8 Imipoints
    awesome!
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i'm not offended, but yeah, i know that

    i was just remarking

    and i'm not sure, really, whether i can write better for myself or with other people in mind

    i think the best guitarists are often people who just enjoy playing the guitar for its own sake even when nobody else is around
  • We can do anything if we do it together.

    Also, there was an ad for Doctor Who for Disney XD on. The music was as if the musicians behind Johnny Test were asked to write Doctor Who's theme song

    I don't even respect DW and I think it deserves more than that

    I found out not long ago that Disney XD started airing Doraemon.

    Not a reboot or anything either, just a dubbed version of the original Doraemon.

    I find that pretty cool, regardless of any other creative decisions that they make.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch

    Also, there was an ad for Doctor Who for Disney XD on. The music was as if the musicians behind Johnny Test were asked to write Doctor Who's theme song

    I don't even respect DW and I think it deserves more than that

    wtf
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Disney Eks Dee

    cool cool
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Is it stupid that I still resent Jetix
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    Vriska said:

    Vriska said:

    I am........ tired. Work was 8usy which is good though since it was dead yesterday.


    Also I am plotting to knit a 8oo8 window sweater. Is that worth any Imipoints?
    yes, that is worth 8 Imipoints
    awesome!
    if you actually knit the sweater, that's 88 Imipoints

    if you send it to me that's 888 Imipoints
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    Tachyon said:

    i think the best guitarists are often people who just enjoy playing the guitar for its own sake even when nobody else is around

    thanks ^_^
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    what i know about jetix

    they did a show about K9

    they changed the character's design, apparently in order to distance themselves from doctor who, but apparently they did go on to reference doctor who a few times

    i never watched it
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    u are welcome, Imicup
  • naney said:

    Kexruct said:

    I think "media should try to make people better" is absolutely the broadest approach and I don't see how it's even, like, possible to disagree with that statement. It seems like everyone just has a knee-jerk reaction to anyone making statements about the purpose of media and it makes these conversations really difficult to have in any productive capacity.

    there is no purpose to media

    it just exists

    there is intention, but you can totally disregard that no problem

    have a book? you can read it, you can eat it, you can flip to a random page, point to a phrase at random and attempt to divine the future, you can take a movie, mute it and play inappropriate music over the sad bits, you can sit there obsessively counting all of the times it contradicts itself, you can smash a DVD into tiny pieces and use them to make a statue, you can take a VHS and splice together The Bad Sleep Well and Gone With The Wind, then sit around with your robot pals and make fun of it, there are no rules and there is no wrong way to do things.

    none.

    zip.

    nada.
    That's just nihilism then. Like, okay, you can say that nothing has any worth or value but it doesn't help anything with regards to writing, but oh WAIT the notion of "helping" is an arbitrary construct generated by random fluctuations of chemicals stimulating also random electrical impulses and can you see how quickly this conversation gets pointless?

    Like okay. You can work an equation down to a point where you have determined that x = x but isn't it immensely more informative (oh, information, another meaningless social construct. No one really "knows" anything and we're all just pointless fluctuations of particles) to actually find the value of x?
  • naney said:

    Kexruct said:

    I think "media should try to make people better" is absolutely the broadest approach and I don't see how it's even, like, possible to disagree with that statement. It seems like everyone just has a knee-jerk reaction to anyone making statements about the purpose of media and it makes these conversations really difficult to have in any productive capacity.

    there is no purpose to media

    it just exists

    there is intention, but you can totally disregard that no problem

    have a book? you can read it, you can eat it, you can flip to a random page, point to a phrase at random and attempt to divine the future, you can take a movie, mute it and play inappropriate music over the sad bits, you can sit there obsessively counting all of the times it contradicts itself, you can smash a DVD into tiny pieces and use them to make a statue, you can take a VHS and splice together The Bad Sleep Well and Gone With The Wind, then sit around with your robot pals and make fun of it, there are no rules and there is no wrong way to do things.

    none.

    zip.

    nada.


    That's just nihilism then. Like, okay, you can say that nothing has any worth or value but it doesn't help anything with regards to writing, but oh WAIT the notion of "helping" is an arbitrary construct generated by random fluctuations of chemicals stimulating also random electrical impulses and can you see how quickly this conversation gets pointless?

    Like okay. You can work an equation down to a point where you have determined that x = x but isn't it immensely more informative (oh, information, another meaningless social construct. No one really "knows" anything and we're all just pointless fluctuations of particles) to actually find the value of x?
    1) you do not actually know what nihilism is

    2) you are being insufferably pretentious right now for absolutely no reason. Please stop.
  • pointlessness creates infinite brilliant possibilities.

    i am in love with pointlessness, pointlessness sparks within me an endless, indefatigable joy
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    nonsense is good!
  • Also Jane is right.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    it's not nihilism

    naney is totally right and on point here
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    what I know about Jetix is that it was Disney's version of the twilight years of Fox Kids which was painful

    they did show reruns of The Tick though

    also it ate Toon Disney from the inside out, to the point that Jetix took up more than half of the broadcast day of "Toon Disney"
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    see what i did there
  • I fully acknowledge that everything is pointless because meaning doesn't exist.

    So, from now on, can we act under the assumption that what I say is operating under the pretense that when I say "meaning" I mean it in the sense that meaning is what we as arbitrary arrangements of particles would arbitrarily assign meaning, and am not assuming there is any order or meaning to the universe. Okay? Okay.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    oh no, meaning exists

    but if we arbitrarily assign it then it's not embedded into a text, is it?
  • Kexruct said:

    I fully acknowledge that everything is pointless because meaning doesn't exist.

    So, from now on, can we act under the assumption that what I say is operating under the pretense that when I say "meaning" I mean it in the sense that meaning is what we as arbitrary arrangements of particles would arbitrarily assign meaning, and am not assuming there is any order or meaning to the universe. Okay? Okay.

    what
  • kill living beings
    more like nailism.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i think you're missing what meaning actually is, possibly

    meaning is not a fixed thing, meaning is like, a fountain that never dries up, or like, clouds changing shape, or both of those things at once, and much much more
  • kill living beings
    i am a mereological nihilist AMA
  • kill living beings
    Poincaré-Bendixson
  • more like nailism.

    "what's your philosophical position"

    "I consider myself a continental deez nuts"
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch

    i am a mereological nihilist AMA

    Do you like pizza?
  • kill living beings
    Bofaist
  • kill living beings
    Tachyon said:

    i am a mereological nihilist AMA

    Do you like pizza?
    it rules, dawg

    specially hawaiian

    or anything with good cheese really, i suppose cheese is the heart if you will of the pizza, despite pizza not having any organs or parts
  • Tachyon said:

    it's not nihilism

    naney is totally right and on point here

    BUT WHAT DOES IT HELP

    Like I fully acknowledge that someone can derive just as much pleasure from eating a copy of Heart of Darkness as reading it, but that has nothing to do with, like, writing. So there is little point to including "make your pages tasty" in advice for writing.

    For fuck's sake this is an irritating conversation.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i think you need to calm the eff down
  • Kexruct said:

    Tachyon said:

    it's not nihilism

    naney is totally right and on point here

    BUT WHAT DOES IT HELP

    Like I fully acknowledge that someone can derive just as much pleasure from eating a copy of Heart of Darkness as reading it, but that has nothing to do with, like, writing. So there is little point to including "make your pages tasty" in advice for writing.

    For fuck's sake this is an irritating conversation.
    the reason you are irritated is because you are trying to have a conversation with a bunch of people who do not want to have that conversation with you but are too polite to tell you to take a taxi to Texas.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    tbh i probably could derive as much pleasure from eating Heart of Darkness as reading it

    not sure why but i just could not get that book at all, it was like wading through tar
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i feel really bad and ashamed about this and will probably give it a reread at some point, because supposedly it's an important book, and it's about stuff, it's not just murkiness that i don't understand

    that will be my 3rd attempt at getting it however
  • kill living beings
    get a load of this guy deriving an ought from an is

    image

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  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    eating paper isn't really that tasty, not to me anyway.

    Joseph Conrad wrote great prose but I don't think he's really on my wavelength, so to speak
  • Tachyon said:

    tbh i probably could derive as much pleasure from eating Heart of Darkness as reading it

    not sure why but i just could not get that book at all, it was like wading through tar

    it was like wading through tar, agreed, also that was why i liked it
  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    knowing panty and stocking they're probably saying the thing from the original about virginity being shameful
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    paper isn't tasty

    perhaps i have not made clear how little i enjoyed Heart of Darkness
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    sunn wolf said:

    Tachyon said:

    tbh i probably could derive as much pleasure from eating Heart of Darkness as reading it

    not sure why but i just could not get that book at all, it was like wading through tar

    it was like wading through tar, agreed, also that was why i liked it
    huh

    ok, then

    i definitely missed something i think
  • People don't want to have this discussion but they go into elaborate ephemeral metaphysics of what constitutes meaning that serves ONLY to muddle the discussion because NO ONE wants to be told that writing might have a point.

    It's like how my older brother thinks he's Charles fuckin' Bukowski because he's capable of writing words in the same language as him because "everything is subjective" even though humans are all operating with only .01 percent of genetic difference so there are GONNA BE some more or less universal constructs
  • kex i wanna tell you about how great pointlessness is as well from a producer's perspective. i wanna say how delighted i am when i "intend" one thing (or think i do) and then someone comes along and spins my work on its head

    but i don't wanna tell you this because you always take it hella personal and get angry and frustrated when people disagree with you on anything idgi.
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