I'm still kind of sore at Disney over Pocahontas for...well, not even the history, but the geography. Jamestown, VA is not Los Angeles, guys; the mountains aren't quite that close to the shore. :P
since they're speaking English anyway, i don't see why they should have Scandinavian accents
it would be cool if they had them speaking Norwegian with subtitles, but they would never do that in a big Disney movie
and everyone being white strikes me as fairly reasonable given the setting, although given the amount of anachronisms in Tangled i don't think they can be excused from anything on the grounds of historical accuracy
since they're speaking English anyway, i don't see why they should have Scandinavian accents
it would be cool if they had them speaking Norwegian with subtitles, but they would never do that in a big Disney movie
and everyone being white strikes me as fairly reasonable given the setting, although given the amount of anachronisms in Tangled i don't think they can be excused from anything on the grounds of historical accuracy
there actually were some dark-skinned vikings, though this is--for *whatever reason*--not common knowledge.
since they're speaking English anyway, i don't see why they should have Scandinavian accents
it would be cool if they had them speaking Norwegian with subtitles, but they would never do that in a big Disney movie
and everyone being white strikes me as fairly reasonable given the setting, although given the amount of anachronisms in Tangled i don't think they can be excused from anything on the grounds of historical accuracy
Because I like scandinavian accents.
Then again, it's probably for the best that mass media hasn't really shown it. Mass Media makes everything worse.
Nevermind, Disney, continue using american accents.
since they're speaking English anyway, i don't see why they should have Scandinavian accents
it would be cool if they had them speaking Norwegian with subtitles, but they would never do that in a big Disney movie
and everyone being white strikes me as fairly reasonable given the setting, although given the amount of anachronisms in Tangled i don't think they can be excused from anything on the grounds of historical accuracy
there actually were some dark-skinned vikings, though this is--for *whatever reason*--not common knowledge.
Well, duh.
What, do you expect a great seafaring culture that traded all over the world to not have that? It just comes with any culture based in that much widespread trade and travel.
It doesn't occur to most people because vikings are not only nearly always depicted as white, they're nearly always depicted as having either blond or brown hair. This leads to two preconceptions, one being that "viking" is an ethnic group (it is very much not that), and two being that all vikings looked that way. This feeds back on itself, leading to another generation of people who think that that's how all vikings look, and thus make all their vikings in their fictions look that way.
It is a feedback loop, and a pretty good indicator of why representation is important in general.
To be fair, Scandinavia (and the baltic sea areas) do have a very large percentage of blond hair, and there's a reason for that association between the two. <But there are lots of blond people elsewhere, and lots of not-blond people in scandinavia and the baltic sea areas.>
And certain genetic evidence suggests that the mutation for blond hair originated in the baltic sea area.
But, well, people have always been travellers, and it's never been really accurate to associate any plaec with any physical features or traits.
The very idea of a "Nordic Race" is an inherent betrayal of the traveling and trading foundations of the seafaring peoples of scandinavia during certain parts of the so-called medieval era.
To be fair, Scandinavia (and the baltic sea areas) do have a very large percentage of blond hair, and there's a reason for that association between the two. <But there are lots of blond people elsewhere, and lots of not-blond people in scandinavia and the baltic sea areas.>
And certain genetic evidence suggests that the mutation for blond hair originated in the baltic sea area.
But, well, people have always been travellers, and it's never been really accurate to associate any plaec with any physical features or traits.
yea but many vikings are not Scandinavian. That's where the culture comes from originally, but by the end of the viking age you could find them in England, Spain, The Netherlands, Russia, and many other places.
To be fair, Scandinavia (and the baltic sea areas) do have a very large percentage of blond hair, and there's a reason for that association between the two. <But there are lots of blond people elsewhere, and lots of not-blond people in scandinavia and the baltic sea areas.>
And certain genetic evidence suggests that the mutation for blond hair originated in the baltic sea area.
But, well, people have always been travellers, and it's never been really accurate to associate any plaec with any physical features or traits.
yea but many vikings are not Scandinavian. That's where the culture comes from originally, but by the end of the viking age you could find them in England, Spain, The Netherlands, Russia, and many other places.
Like I said, a traveling culture. Travelling from people to people, and well as people traveling from place to place.
Not really homogenous, or even confined to one place (so, yeah. You're right about that).
I doubt the Vikings themselves were as concerned with their hair color as, say, the nineteenth and twentieth-century eugenecists. I bet if you asked them, they'd say something along the lines of, "Um, I don't know. There's lots of hair colors."
relatedly, one of my favorite CK2 starts is as Haesteinn of Nantes in the Old Gods bookmark (which takes place during the age of vikings) and invade somewhere far off like Egypt.
It's hypothetically possible, even, to establish a viking nation in India now that they've added it to the game, but I've not yet tried to do so.
Egypt and Greece aren't that far apart, is the thing.
I'm actually kinda interested as to what the reasons were for Vikings never really establishing any small holdings in Muslim lands, I should look into that sometime.
Egypt and Greece aren't that far apart, is the thing.
I'm actually kinda interested as to what the reasons were for Vikings never really establishing any small holdings in Muslim lands, I should look into that sometime.
actually, it looks like they held lisbon for two weeks, and you already mentioned spain
Egypt and Greece aren't that far apart, is the thing.
I'm actually kinda interested as to what the reasons were for Vikings never really establishing any small holdings in Muslim lands, I should look into that sometime.
actually, it looks like they held lisbon for two weeks, and you already mentioned spain
I should've specified, I meant more North Africa area.
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it would be cool if they had them speaking Norwegian with subtitles, but they would never do that in a big Disney movie
and everyone being white strikes me as fairly reasonable given the setting, although given the amount of anachronisms in Tangled i don't think they can be excused from anything on the grounds of historical accuracy
Logical positivism lives on in our bathrooms
Then again, it's probably for the best that mass media hasn't really shown it. Mass Media makes everything worse.
Nevermind, Disney, continue using american accents.
What, do you expect a great seafaring culture that traded all over the world to not have that? It just comes with any culture based in that much widespread trade and travel.
Sorry about that.
It doesn't occur to most people because vikings are not only nearly always depicted as white, they're nearly always depicted as having either blond or brown hair. This leads to two preconceptions, one being that "viking" is an ethnic group (it is very much not that), and two being that all vikings looked that way. This feeds back on itself, leading to another generation of people who think that that's how all vikings look, and thus make all their vikings in their fictions look that way.
It is a feedback loop, and a pretty good indicator of why representation is important in general.
And certain genetic evidence suggests that the mutation for blond hair originated in the baltic sea area.
But, well, people have always been travellers, and it's never been really accurate to associate any plaec with any physical features or traits.
The very idea of a "Nordic Race" is an inherent betrayal of the traveling and trading foundations of the seafaring peoples of scandinavia during certain parts of the so-called medieval era.
Not really homogenous, or even confined to one place (so, yeah. You're right about that).
I doubt the Vikings themselves were as concerned with their hair color as, say, the nineteenth and twentieth-century eugenecists. I bet if you asked them, they'd say something along the lines of, "Um, I don't know. There's lots of hair colors."
It's hypothetically possible, even, to establish a viking nation in India now that they've added it to the game, but I've not yet tried to do so.
and more realistically the varangians <3
I'm actually kinda interested as to what the reasons were for Vikings never really establishing any small holdings in Muslim lands, I should look into that sometime.
fun fact: our GIS prof actually took an inflatable globe to class to show this
and then he promptly popped it with a pair of scissors, and cut it into strips, to try to illustrate the idea of projecting it
the class was a bit incredulous as he popped the globe
wikipedia mentions tunisia was briefly invaded by sicilian normans, though
weird
Let's be being-productive buddies, Glenn!
(lol, sorry)
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
*has 2 assignments that thankfully are not due in yet*