Rambling about TV history

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  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    Ah...
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    Oh, hey, I forgot about this thread. Time to use it for its intended purpose. 

    Look at this shit: 



    The NBC shows in particular are mostly bad, bad, bad. A Topper rehash? Whatever the fucking hell We Got It Made is supposed to be? Mr. Smith?! Really, what were they thinking? 

    Okay, they ran Manimal that year, too, but Manimal is classic TV compared to some of this crap. The Rousters looks like it might have done well if more people watched it; same for Bay City Blues (check out the cast on that one). 

    It's interesting spotting trends, too. The "oh wow, computers!" thing that started with Knight Rider last season continues here with Whiz Kids. There are a lot of Neo-Western adventure series on the schedule, probably because The Fall Guy was a hit (The Rousters is one of them), and there's also a lot of breezy, light buddy-detective shows because Simon & Simon did well. It also looks like the An Officer and a Gentleman cash-ins mostly waited for now, as that movie was a late summer release in 1982.
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    Now I'm watching the new shows of 1987, and the strongest emotion I get from it is...boredom. Some of these good shows, true, but we moved to Palmyra that year and I WAS ALWAYS BORED THERE.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    unrelated to that stuff (will get to it later), but for some reason Carlton always struck me as the most faceless and corporate of the ITV franchisees, despite their flair for visual identity

    it probably doesn't help that Carlton gobbled up a bunch of other franchises until they were themselves gobbled up by Granada
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    Is it just me, or did the early 1990s have some of the most garish TV intros ever put to film? Back in 1985, they were saying "yay, we have digital video effects" full stop, but by 1990-1991, cheap 3D effects and gamut-busting palettes were all the rage.
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    Hmm. Another take-away from the old Broadcastings: Lorimar was in big trouble after the Telepictures merger. Apparently, some of their off-network shows didn't do as well as they planned, or one of their movies flopped, or something, but in any case, by late 1988 they were pretty much forced to sell out.
  • edited 2015-10-07 19:39:58
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    This also explains why The Rebranding never really took, except in print ads and on network shows like Full House; by the time they went through all the backlog, Warner Bros. DTD would have taken over everything anyway.
  • edited 2015-10-07 20:58:35
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    lee4hmz said:

    Hmm. Another take-away from the old Broadcastings: Lorimar was in big trouble after the Telepictures merger. Apparently, some of their off-network shows didn't do as well as they planned, or one of their movies flopped, or something, but in any case, by late 1988 they were pretty much forced to sell out.

    I read an old Fortune article at some point within the last year that said that the Telepictures merger was kind of a bust, Lorimar had screwed themselves over losing money on movies, and that Warner knew there was blood in the water.

    (Their buyout of L-T was also of the "please help us" variety, like Disney's of Pixar would be later)
  • edited 2015-10-07 21:05:54
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    Yeah, pretty much that. They also had connections at Warners to begin with; some of their shows (like The Waltons) were already with WBDTD, and Lorimar started on the Warner lot anyway, if my bio-dad's 1976 Broadcasting Yearbook is to be believed.
  • edited 2015-10-07 21:09:03
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    (I used to see The Waltons with the "DISTRIBUTED BY WARNER BROS" variant of the Big W all the time, so they definitely had it before 1984...that or they pulled a CPT and botched the plastering. :P)
  • edited 2015-10-07 22:29:59
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    Tiny Toons was at least pratially Lorimar's baby? Really? Seriously, they had Lorimar execs taling about it just before the merger closed. 

    Apparently, if I'm reading this right, Warner Bros. DTD pretty much is the old Telepictures (or Lorimar Syndication, if you will).

  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    holy shit, the 1-16 issue has a TTA teaser in it. And it really was called Tiny Tunes back then.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    anytime I see WB calling attention to the Looney Tunes characters I become upset at how badly they treat the characters now

    one of the reasons Scooby-Doo still seems to be alive is because WB doesn't fuck with it as hard - it lacks the sentimental value that the Tunes have for them, as they've only owned Scooby since 1997
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    of course now I'm thinking about how the main reason old cartoon characters stick around is to hawk shit and i get sad
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    it makes me wonder what, if anything, WB is actually planning to do with the LT/MM characters at this point

    I haven't heard any news, anyway, not since The Looney Tunes Show came out
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    There's a new show, Wabbit, on Boomerang
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Boomerang seems to have become WBA's playground, seeing as how CN no longer wants to clear their shows for whatever reason (unless they're Teen Titans Go!)
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    Huh, weird.
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    lee4hmz said:

    (I used to see The Waltons with the "DISTRIBUTED BY WARNER BROS" variant of the Big W all the time, so they definitely had it before 1984...that or they pulled a CPT and botched the plastering. :P)

    I was right about this, by the way; I just found a Broadcasting from 1977 with an ad for The Waltons on the back cover...proudly bearing a Big W.
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    It would seem that "mca tv" became "MCA TV" (in the squiggle font) in the fall of 1976, at least in the trades. Makes me wonder why it took them until the 1990s to change the logo.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    seen any ITC stuff?

    ITC is my obsession of the moment :n
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    A bit, yeah...there's premiere ads for The Muppet Show in the 1976 issues, and I think I saw an ad for The Saint in an early 1970 issue.

    Oh, and open this one and search for "Scanimate": http://americanradiohistory.com/Archive-BC/BC-1970/1970-02-02-BC.pdf
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    Also, it seems like the 1970 issues seem a lot less dated than the 1976 ones...they loved them some gaudy-ass fonts in the mid-1970s.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    ooh Denver
  • edited 2015-10-09 19:45:35
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    The texture on ITV1's 2002-2004 logo makes me want to retch

    It looks like something you would have seen on a not-very-pleasing CPG package design at the time, or something aiming for the least sophisticated audience possible
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    yeah, it looks pretty ugly
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    Okay...this damn thing: 

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    It's obviously a recreation (any use of Arial before Windows 3.1 came out in 1992 is suspect, and any of use of it at all before its development for IBM in 1982 is dead wrong), but I'm wondering if this logo ever existed at all. It looks a bit too much like the later CBS Broadcasting International logos. 

    I'm also having trouble verifying its existence because, from what I can tell from Broadcasting, CBS Films just plain didn't advertise until after they became Viacom. Also, CBS reused the name for one of its many cinema ventures not too long ago, so it's a pain to Google. :P
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    it might be a product of someone remembering something incorrectly
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    It's possible. I do notice that it resembles the CBS "Eye of Doom", which was also from the late 1960s.
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    Hmm, it seems CBS Enterprises had a print logo at least...

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    BOOM HEADSHOT

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    According to the ad, the "eye with globe pupil" device was new for 1968, when CBS Films changed its name. I get the feeling CBS Films used the 1958 logo right up until then!
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    did they really produce cartoons by then? wasn't Terrytoons gone by then?

    (Oh, and CBS has a real nasty habit of sitting on the Terrytoons library. Somehow people have gotten their hands on their more mid-century work, but CBS doesn't really release that stuff. Via Simon & Schuster, they've also refrained from letting Raggedy Ann and Andy: A Musical Adventure see the light of day in any official capacity for ages)
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    Wikipedia says Terrytoons didn't close until 1971, so yeah, they were still making them then.
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    Oh hey, the UATV print logo used the Big UA and the angle bracket thingies together:

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  • edited 2015-10-11 05:53:26
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    I once wanted to create an alternate universe where I bought CBS in the 1980s and later revived Terrytoons as the animation division of the Family Channel (I bought IFE with another aim of preventing MTM from landing in Murdoch's clutches), but I couldn't commit :n
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    also UATV seemed to have a million logos
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    wait what

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  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Universal!
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    I'm wondering how Screen Gems got the rights to the Universal library, and more importantly, how they still had them in 1964...
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Didn't Universal not have a TV division until MCA took over?

    Whatever rights Screen Gems had might not have reverted yet by 1964.
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    They didn't, no, but then Revue and Universal weren't completely merged until 1966.
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    lee4hmz said:

    Wikipedia says Terrytoons didn't close until 1971, so yeah, they were still making them then.

    It seems like the studio closed down in 1968, actually.
  • edited 2015-10-17 02:42:14
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    I'm digging through my imgur because i'm bored, and hey, I found those screenshots I made of INSP logo-geeking :D

    They missed the "Distributed by Warner Bros (\\') A Warner Communications Company" on The Waltons, but I won't fault them that.
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    holy shit this rules

    tl;dr: it's an instrumental of the tail end of "Be There"
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    Intereeting. I was watching CNN's The Eighties earlier, and I was somewhat amused that they when they needed ABC and CBS logos in one scene, they used "ABC Is the Place" and the past logos thingy from "Great Moments on CBS".
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    NBC was just a generic shot of a banner with the 1979 peacock on it (no N), at what looked like a press event or a trade show.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    what was the context
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    It was an episode about 1980s television in general, how certain programs changed culture, etc.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    oh

    you know I really don't like the Proud N much

    "We have two symbols, neither of which we want to retire in favor of the other, so let's mash them together"
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