I never understood why nobody had arabic accents in Aladin; why nobody had Australian accents in The Rescuers Down Under, and why nobody had an Occitan accent in Beauty And The Beast.
But, yeah, best Disney movie ever is Rescuers Down Under.
If you're already rendering the dialogue into English, there's rather little point using accents. It can at least make sense in Ratatouille or something because it's not that far out of the question that the French characters are actually speaking English, but in most cases it just kind of falls into the translation itself.
Aladdin would be rather difficult with Arabic accents anyway. Genuine Arabic accents tend to be pretty thick.
Although Disney usually doesn't avoid it for that reason, but so they can have 1-2 characters who do have an exaggerated accent and also happen to be extreme stereotypes (Lumiere, Rafiki, etc.).
Watching the Hunchback of Notre Dame now. What I can say - I definitely under-appreciated it as a child. It has the best music score ever - the bells, the chanting, all of it. The music is just plain epic, and it makes the story feel epic too. Also, the Latin used in the sountrack is very appropriate (and of course I had no way of knowing that until I looked at subtitles which offered translation. Or unless I was already familiar with the lyrics in question). Also, Esmeralda was my childhood favourite for a reason
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
Notre Dame songs >> Michael Bolton or Elton John
Best music of the "Disney Renaissance". Too bad it had the most tacked-on comic relief.
I never understood why nobody had arabic accents in Aladin; why nobody had Australian accents in The Rescuers Down Under, and why nobody had an Occitan accent in Beauty And The Beast.
But, yeah, best Disney movie ever is Rescuers Down Under.
I'm pretty sure there was a mouse that had an Australian accent...though that just sort of begs the question as to why the humans didn't have one...
And I am still a bit crazy about Hunchback of Notre Dame.
It really loses a lot without understanding the Ominous Latin Chanting. Seen as that, it is just an epic music score. Seen with translation (or by someone familiar with the chanting in question) it turns the whole story into that of divine intervention, and an extremely badass one.
I might have gained a new favourite music genre :)
But it feels a bit wasteful to put something so game-changing there considering that it is likely to be lost to target audience.
Okay, Jake the mouse had an Australian accent, and I think that Cody had a slight Australian accent in some scenes; and George C. Scott as McLeach was so great that I can forgive his lack of Australian accent, but why none of the Australian animals had Australian accents is beyond me.
I didn't mind the Gargoyles; I mean, it would have been really cruel if Quasimodo had absolutely no friends until Esmeralda and Feeble Doofus Phoebus. The gargoyle named Victor was tolerable and not annoying at all; and Mary Withers is always a joy; and I can't really complain too much about a role she did as she was dying, so Laverne's okay. Hugo, however, mister "Pour the wine and Cut! The Cheese!" is bleh.
Also, Laverne should have been named Marie; so they could be Victor, Marie, and Hugo.
Also, the "Feeble? Doofus?" "Phoebus" line is awesome.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
I admit, as much as I profess to love Disney, I'm not all that familiar with their older films. Most of their stuff made before The Little Mermaid I haven't seen since I was a little kid...I need to fix that sometime. >_>
That said, I love Beauty and the Beast and would count it as one of my favorite movies.
If their DTV releases are considered too target-rich an environment, I'm guessing their live-action extended ads for cookie-cutter pop rock child stars would be target-supersaturated enough that you could flick the glass and see it crystallize into an amorphous mass of manufactured glitz and cliches. At least the DTVs bothered having a story half the time.
but honestly i can't remember seeing many live action Disney films
those that i have seen were bad but not awful, with the exceptions of Mary Poppins, Bedknobs & Broomsticks and the first two Pirates films, which were good
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
Heh, you could count theStar Wars prequels as the same kind of live-action hybrid as Mary Poppins.
i think it makes sense to distinguish between films made by Disney and Disney-owned properties, and films made by other properties which Disney subsequently acquired
maybe not that much sense, but at least insofar as when you say 'Disney movies' people might think of Pixar or of The Nightmare Before Christmas (originally released under Touchstone), but probably won't think of Star Wars
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
Yes, that makes sense.
And they'e more likely to think of Pixar than... uh... whatever movies the Disney Channel has spun off besides Hannah Montana.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
Now I'm thinking about High School Musical
Anonus and I need to riff on that movie together sometime
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
If I was a marketing executive, I'd understand why 9-year-old girls fantasize about high school.
Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
Nine-year-olds fantasize about high school because everyone fantasizes about high school. Children look forward to it because the older children and adults place so much importance on it. Artists revisit that period of their life to record or to revise to their own liking. Students learn a great deal of things for the first time in high. It is the test-tube of your society, where pundits and pseudoscientists attempt to trace the origins of success, trauma, and crime.
I had a whole rant typed out about high school, but it was long enough that it was starting to become Emotional Problems Pile material. :P Suffice to say that high school just isn't going to be "I was the top social butterfly with all the best stuff" experience for most people, and I think that rarefied fantasy of high school informs a lot of people's preconceptions of it.
That and I think a lot of kidcom writers are (intentionally or otherwise) conflating high school with the later years of college, where you're a lot more likely to have large circles of friends and maybe even start dating seriously.
That and I think a lot of kidcom writers are (intentionally or otherwise) conflating high school with freshman year of college, where you're a lot more likely to have large circles of friends and maybe even start dating seriously.
i never really noticed that before but you're right
maybe explains why i could never really relate to those shows
Yeah, I ninja-edited that, but really, it applies to college in general. How many writers in their 30s or 40s are going to have anything but fuzzy memories of high school, especially if it wasn't a pleasant experience for them? Whereas, for them, college is where they came into their own and started living life for real, not what would have felt like a cartoonish imitation of life.
Which makes you kind of wonder about the people who glorify their high-school years. Do they even exist for real, or are they just Straw Loser types? I know Al Bundy was deliberately made up to be a Straw Loser, but then, that show was as much (if not more) about defying sitcom stereotypes just for the hell of it (as were a lot of the Norman Lear/Embassy shows, come to think of it) as it was about building coherent characters.
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Nevertheless, its "circle of life" bullshit has always bothered me.
it's pretty great, the visuals are gorgeous
soundtrack was ok but didn't really stand out to me
tho i could well understand somebody finding it offputting if a movie portrays a group of people to which they belong in an insulting light
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Actually, it was kind of disappointing.
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Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
But, yeah, best Disney movie ever is Rescuers Down Under.
Aladdin would be rather difficult with Arabic accents anyway. Genuine Arabic accents tend to be pretty thick.
Although Disney usually doesn't avoid it for that reason, but so they can have 1-2 characters who do have an exaggerated accent and also happen to be extreme stereotypes (Lumiere, Rafiki, etc.).
But I am intrigued by the idea of a Disney animated feature so grim it had to be edited to avoid an "R"
It has the best music score ever - the bells, the chanting, all of it. The music is just plain epic, and it makes the story feel epic too. Also, the Latin used in the sountrack is very appropriate (and of course I had no way of knowing that until I looked at subtitles which offered translation. Or unless I was already familiar with the lyrics in question).
Also, Esmeralda was my childhood favourite for a reason
Notre Dame songs >> Michael Bolton or Elton John
Best music of the "Disney Renaissance". Too bad it had the most tacked-on comic relief.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
It really loses a lot without understanding the Ominous Latin Chanting. Seen as that, it is just an epic music score. Seen with translation (or by someone familiar with the chanting in question) it turns the whole story into that of divine intervention, and an extremely badass one.
I might have gained a new favourite music genre :)
But it feels a bit wasteful to put something so game-changing there considering that it is likely to be lost to target audience.
I didn't mind the Gargoyles; I mean, it would have been really cruel if Quasimodo had absolutely no friends until Esmeralda and Feeble Doofus Phoebus. The gargoyle named Victor was tolerable and not annoying at all; and Mary Withers is always a joy; and I can't really complain too much about a role she did as she was dying, so Laverne's okay. Hugo, however, mister "Pour the wine and Cut! The Cheese!" is bleh.
Also, Laverne should have been named Marie; so they could be Victor, Marie, and Hugo.
Also, the "Feeble? Doofus?" "Phoebus" line is awesome.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
Though I know that staying on topic seems to be frowned upon around there :)
but honestly i can't remember seeing many live action Disney films
those that i have seen were bad but not awful, with the exceptions of Mary Poppins, Bedknobs & Broomsticks and the first two Pirates films, which were good
i mean, does Touchstone count? What about ABC?
maybe not that much sense, but at least insofar as when you say 'Disney movies' people might think of Pixar or of The Nightmare Before Christmas (originally released under Touchstone), but probably won't think of Star Wars
Yes, that makes sense.
And they'e more likely to think of Pixar than... uh... whatever movies the Disney Channel has spun off besides Hannah Montana.
But whatever
i have seen only the 3rd High School Musical film
it's enjoyable enough, certainly watchable, but not particularly memorable and probably wouldn't stand a second viewing
maybe explains why i could never really relate to those shows