"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
also i'd be VERY surprised if The Jungle Book is out of print
certainly in the UK, Kipling's books are considered classics, maybe he's not as much of a big deal in the US?
... what? Of course Kipling's books are classics in the US. ... OH, right. You were counting the Jungle Book as having animal protagonists (like Rikki-Tikki-Tavi).
My personal favourite as of now is Tangled, because of an interesting heroine. Following closely second (it was my favourite until Tangled) was Beauty and the Beast - again, because I loved the heroine, the Beast was handsome, and "befriending the monster" is one of my favourite types of plot.
The least favourite, I think, is Cinderella - for an utterly bland and passive heroine. I also wasn't too fond of Princess and the Frog - I can't exactly articulate why, but I never wanted to rewatch it. And Pocahontas is just generally weak movie
I would definitely rank Sleeping Beauty higher if the main characters were at all memorable. As it stands, the villain and the animation are the best things about it (and rightfully so), followed by the musical score and the side characters.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
Lilo and Stitch is good.
We showed The Little Mermaid to Lain and I was mostly indifferent until Eric got into a firckin' ship in the middle of a crazy tornado whirlwind and staked a titan sized octo-Seawitch in the god damn heart.
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
You know, I don't know why The Little Mermaid doesn't get flak like Hercules. They're both well-plotted and animated films from the same era that treat the original story with no respect. And Mermaid only had two good songs.
It's a conspiracy, yo; the greco-latinate culture sphere is all against the Slavics and Nordics. Why do you not hear of the mythologies of Russia? And why does everyone only ever see the Theme Park versions of Scandinavian mythologies and such?
It's a conspiracy, they're trying to keep the Nordic man down, and the Slavic man, too.
Also, I really liked the Disney Hunchback movie; even the sequel, no matter how much the sequel stank and had no quality; it gave Quasimodo a nice, understanding friend who liked him and could stay in the Cathedral with him.
I think the Lion King is one of the objectively best animated features, but death of Mufasa used to be one of the most heart-wrenching moments for me as a child, and so it is a bit difficult for me to rate it on the "pure entertainment" scale. Odd thing - I really, really, really did not mind violence and death in media, never. But that "please wake up" type of reaction from Simba always gets me.
Mulan should not be a princess - she did not even marry a prince. Besides, the whole "princess in a frilly dress" is kind of opposite of her character. That being said, I do, very much, like her as a character, and I do like that her motivations are more complex than typical for action girls
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
Chicken Little was always a favorite of mine as a kid, and even now I count it as a guilty pleasure of mine, though I wouldn't consider it my absolute favorite like I did.
I don't actually think I really do have a favorite film from them, though I didn't particularly remember enjoying Home on the Range very much, an anomaly considering how much I did like Lilo & Stitch and Treasure Planet before it.
I like Aladdin! Also, the Russian version of the cover song might be considered somewhat more racist (employing pretty much every Orientalist cliche about exotic, mysterious and violent East), but I still like it because it is badass. "Arabian Night! The magical East! Of vengeance and sorcery, courage and honour, palaces and sands!" "Where poison and blade spell doom for unwary, so watch out" and so on
Also, there is a lot of talk about unfortunate implications of Disney movies. I've found out that in order to enjoy them, I really need to turn my "progressive feminist criticism" brain off for awhile
. But anyway, how about some surprisingly fortunate implications? Watching Sleeping Beauty now, and it struck me:
So the movie advocates that a child raised by 3! women! turns out perfectly fine. Take that, opponents of same-sex parenting :)
But but but the East is mystical in Aladdin because every Disney setting is, to some extent, mystical. Hell, why aren't we decrying Sleeping Beauty for making European culture mystical? Because they're white?
Other than their rather unappealing personal characteristics (slobbering, mangy and stupid), how exactly are these poachers? Why are their attempts to feed themselves “poaching” when everything that takes place in the kingdom part of the Circle of Life.
But but but the East is mystical in Aladdin because every Disney setting is, to some extent, mystical. Hell, why aren't we decrying Sleeping Beauty for making European culture mystical? Because they're white?
no, because it's a different kind of mysticism; Sleeping Beauty is true to the tone of the original fairy story, Aladdin is playing into the whole Western orientalist myth that Asian cultures are strange, illogical and barbaric
having said which, as i already said, i don't think it was deliberate racism on Disney's part, and i never said i disliked Aladdin
i guess i'm not so good at switching off the critical part of my brain
Jabberwock said: Acererak said:But but but the East is mystical in Aladdin because every Disney setting is, to some extent, mystical. Hell, why aren't we decrying Sleeping Beauty for making European culture mystical? Because they're white?
no, because it's a different kind of mysticism; Sleeping Beauty is true to the tone of the original fairy story, Aladdin is playing into the whole Western orientalist myth that Asian cultures are strange, illogical and barbaric
having said which, as i already said, i don't think it was deliberate racism on Disney's part, and i never said i disliked Aladdin
i guess i'm not so good at switching off the critical part of my brain
So a pumpkin can turn into a carriage and fairies can prance about and that's perfectly normal and logical?
Agrabah isn't really depicted as "barbaric". If you're basing it off the first half of the movie, then well Aladdin's not the richest uy. It wouldn't make sense for a vagrant like him to be surrounded by all the advances of his era's technology.
Agrabah isn't really depicted as "barbaric". If you're basing it off the first half of the movie, then well Aladdin's not the richest uy. It wouldn't make sense for a vagrant like him to be surrounded by all the advances of his era's technology.
They literally had to change the opening song because it used to say "Where they cut off your ear if they don't like your face".
Agrabah isn't really depicted as "barbaric". If you're basing it off the first half of the movie, then well Aladdin's not the richest uy. It wouldn't make sense for a vagrant like him to be surrounded by all the advances of his era's technology.
They literally had to change the opening song because it used to say "Where they cut off your ear if they don't like your face".
Heh, that's why I've mentioned Russian version, because it has much more references to the East being violent yet it had a free pass, somehow. And I repeat, Russian version is more badass :)
Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
Tangled's my favorite because I really like Rapunzel and Flynn and that horse and Mother Gothel.
But of note are the king and queen who don't have lines, probably don't have voice acting at all, and are just two beautifully-animated individuals who just watch emote their pain and sorry, as every year their heart cracks just a little more and every year they just keep holding on to each other and cope and AAHH IT'S SO GOOD
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i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
the movie itself?
it's dark but i don't think it's bad
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
... OH, right. You were counting the Jungle Book as having animal protagonists (like Rikki-Tikki-Tavi).
The least favourite, I think, is Cinderella - for an utterly bland and passive heroine. I also wasn't too fond of Princess and the Frog - I can't exactly articulate why, but I never wanted to rewatch it. And Pocahontas is just generally weak movie
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
He is one of the most decent Disney love interests, I'd say - definitely better than Cinderella prince :)
As for him not falling instantly for a human!Ariel - well, you know, some would say that taking advantage of a mute crazy girl would be abuse, so...
That's exactly what I mean.
It's a conspiracy, they're trying to keep the Nordic man down, and the Slavic man, too.
My favorite is The Lion King. Likely mostly for nostalgia reasons, though it really is awesome (and has some gr8 songs!)
Mulan should not be a princess - she did not even marry a prince. Besides, the whole "princess in a frilly dress" is kind of opposite of her character. That being said, I do, very much, like her as a character, and I do like that her motivations are more complex than typical for action girls
I don't actually think I really do have a favorite film from them, though I didn't particularly remember enjoying Home on the Range very much, an anomaly considering how much I did like Lilo & Stitch and Treasure Planet before it.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
not more than 'Hellfire', it wasn't the best song or anything, but i did like it a lot
i don't get why there isn't more love for The Bells of Notre Dame or God Help the Outcasts
Also, the Russian version of the cover song might be considered somewhat more racist (employing pretty much every Orientalist cliche about exotic, mysterious and violent East), but I still like it because it is badass.
"Arabian Night! The magical East! Of vengeance and sorcery, courage and honour, palaces and sands!" "Where poison and blade spell doom for unwary, so watch out" and so on
. But anyway, how about some surprisingly fortunate implications? Watching Sleeping Beauty now, and it struck me:
So the movie advocates that a child raised by 3! women! turns out perfectly fine. Take that, opponents of same-sex parenting :)
having said which, as i already said, i don't think it was deliberate racism on Disney's part, and i never said i disliked Aladdin
i guess i'm not so good at switching off the critical part of my brain
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
no, because it's a different kind of mysticism; Sleeping Beauty is true to the tone of the original fairy story, Aladdin is playing into the whole Western orientalist myth that Asian cultures are strange, illogical and barbaric
having said which, as i already said, i don't think it was deliberate racism on Disney's part, and i never said i disliked Aladdin
i guess i'm not so good at switching off the critical part of my brain
So a pumpkin can turn into a carriage and fairies can prance about and that's perfectly normal and logical?
do we have to have an argument about this?