It's the same for quality TV watchers who watch endless seasons of shows they don't like.
I really don't think this is as common as you act like it is, and it's bothersome because you derive soooo much of your views on media from opinions like these
I follow a lot of people on twitter who do not like House of Cards, or the new season of True Detective, but are under some bizarre geas to watch it anyway
It's the same for quality TV watchers who watch endless seasons of shows they don't like.
I really don't think this is as common as you act like it is, and it's bothersome because you derive soooo much of your views on media from opinions like these
I follow a lot of people on twitter who do not like House of Cards, or the new season of True Detective, but are under some bizarre geas to watch it anyway
It's the same for quality TV watchers who watch endless seasons of shows they don't like.
I really don't think this is as common as you act like it is, and it's bothersome because you derive soooo much of your views on media from opinions like these
I follow a lot of people on twitter who do not like House of Cards, or the new season of True Detective, but are under some bizarre geas to watch it anyway
Yeah well I like
Don't think it's a huge deal
I barely even consider it a deal
I just want to set them free.
And also destroy the Marvel/Disney empire.
As long as I get to have the rights to 101 Dalmatians, Pepper Ann, Lilo & Stitch and Dave the Barbarian you can do that
i didn't think it was a bad movie. i don't think it was racist. It didn't strike me as excessively formulaic. i liked Almost There.
Disney need to make more movies about people who are not white. That would be good.
Failing that, people who are not Disney who make similarly high-quality animated movies need to eclipse them in popularity, but like, you know, that's not happening any time soon.
Disney movies are always conservative relative to the time at which they are released, and they always shoot for mass appeal, but they are typically of very high quality, at least when the company isn't going through a slump and if we disregard the niche and direct-to-DVD releases and the stuff that's farmed out to less competent sub-companies.
i didn't think it was a bad movie. i don't think it was racist. It didn't strike me as excessively formulaic. i liked Almost There.
Disney need to make more movies about people who are not white. That would be good.
Failing that, people who are not Disney who make similarly high-quality animated movies need to eclipse them in popularity, but like, you know, that's not happening any time soon.
Disney movies are always conservative relative to the time at which they are released, and they always shoot for mass appeal, but they are typically of very high quality, at least when the company isn't going through a slump and if we disregard the niche and direct-to-DVD releases and the stuff that's farmed out to less competent sub-companies.
They are making a new movie entirely about Samoans I believe.
I feel that superhero stories translate better to television and while I thought the first Avengers was OK I think the best superhero thing I have ever watched was the Justice League Unlimited series
Disney's track record for portraying other people's cultures and beliefs is not good
rly was offended by the depiction of Atlanteans in Atlantis
i was thinking of Pocahontas, and also of the Greeks' anger at Hercules (although in the latter case i think they may have missed that ancient Greek culture occupies a position of huge respect in the narrative of Western culture and really isn't at risk of having its reputation damaged by a children's film)
Disney's track record for portraying other people's cultures and beliefs is not good
rly was offended by the depiction of Atlanteans in Atlantis
i was thinking of Pocahontas, and also of the Greeks' anger at Hercules (although in the latter case i think they may have missed that ancient Greek culture occupies a position of huge respect in the narrative of Western culture and really isn't at risk of having its reputation damaged by a children's film)
Disney's track record for portraying other people's cultures and beliefs is not good
rly was offended by the depiction of Atlanteans in Atlantis
i was thinking of Pocahontas, and also of the Greeks' anger at Hercules (although in the latter case i think they may have missed that ancient Greek culture occupies a position of huge respect in the narrative of Western culture and really isn't at risk of having its reputation damaged by a children's film)
i was making a stupid joke
well i'm not going to just ASSUME that you're not descended from the survivors of Atlantis and weren't outraged by their representation of your culture
well i'm not going to just ASSUME that you're not descended from the survivors of Atlantis and weren't outraged by their representation of your culture
my grandma has probably put some thought into this idea
"Same reason Young Justice and Green Lantern The Animated Series were canceled: Girls liked it. Bruce Timm finally up an’ said it out loud in an interview a while back when he was asked why in the hell GL:TAS had been canceled when it was doing so well on every front; DC’s animation department has institutionally decided that feee-males don’t/can’t/shouldn’t like superheroes, so even if a show is drawing in great viewership numbers and has great toy sales, once they find out that it’s popular with women and girls, they pull the plug on it. Cartoon Network loved Teen Titans— two million viewers for new episodes will do that— and wanted a Season Six, and the production staff was already in the planning stages for it; they were going to have a big arc about Terra and why she was Living Normal, and do a lot more with the extended Titans team members."
To elaborate on this point a bit, the reason this happens is that modern television merchandising aims for total market segregation.
In a nutshell, it’s much more efficient to sell things to people if you can divide them up into tightly defined subcategories that have no interests in common; that way, you never risk accidentally competing with yourself.
This is why children’s toys (and toy sales channels) are actually much more strongly gendered these days than they were forty, thirty, even twenty years ago: one of the basic market segregation splits they’ve decided to use is “boys versus girls”.
Ever wonder why you see Avengers t-shirts that leave Black Widow out of the group shot, or Guardians of the Galaxy action figure lines with no Gamora? That’s market segregation in action.
The upshot is that shows with crossover appeal can actually be cancelled for being too popular with girls; they’re viewed as “stealing” the female market from the specifically girl-targeted media that rightfully “owns” it.
This is the sort of thing folks are talking about when they say gender roles are socially constructed, by the way. The gender split in media merchandising? It’s not just artificial, it’s deliberately imposed as a top-down marketing strategy. When folks try to justify it by saying “this is the ways it’s always been” or “this is just what the market wants”, they’re lying through their teeth - this is, in fact, the merchandisers dictating to the market what it wants in order to sell stuff more efficiently.
(Interestingly, the reverse isn’t always true: if a specifically girl-targeted show unexpectedly becomes popular with boys, sometimes rather than being cancelled, its merchandising will shift to court the male collector’s market. TV execs are so sexist, even their sexism is sexist.)
that's horrible, and i feel naive for not expecting it
it genuinely did not occur to me that execs would be so attached to sexist gender roles that they actively recoil from their audiences and eschew potential revenue in order to maintain said roles
i thought they WANTED everyone to watch their stuff
that's horrible, and i feel naive for not expecting it
it genuinely did not occur to me that execs would be so attached to sexist gender roles that they actively recoil from their audiences and eschew potential revenue in order to maintain said roles
i thought they WANTED everyone to watch their stuff
well they do they just want boys to watch Boy Show and girls to watch Girl Show and not anything else.
You'll note that this strategy they pursue doesn't even work economically, most of the companies who employ it are slowly dying and have been for a long time.
but i always assumed it happened because of sexist assumptions about what toys would sell, the idea that only boys will want cartoon action figures and that boys won't want to play with girl-dolls
i didn't think they were actively TRYING to repel 50% of their audience on the basis of sexist stereotyping, i didn't think they were that stupid
i thought it was just a case of unexamined prejudices
that's horrible, and i feel naive for not expecting it
it genuinely did not occur to me that execs would be so attached to sexist gender roles that they actively recoil from their audiences and eschew potential revenue in order to maintain said roles
i thought they WANTED everyone to watch their stuff
well they do they just want boys to watch Boy Show and girls to watch Girl Show and not anything else.
You'll note that this strategy they pursue doesn't even work economically, most of the companies who employ it are slowly dying and have been for a long time.
Good.
But it's so dumb!
And unless the shows are in direct competition with one another, like they air at the same time, wouldn't it make more sense from a marketing perspective to hope boys and girls will watch both shows? Watching one isn't hurting the other.
And unless the shows are in direct competition with one another, like they air at the same time, wouldn't it make more sense from a marketing perspective to hope boys and girls will watch both shows?
i definitely remember hearing about how the American broadcast of Cardcaptor Sakura was cut so as to make it seem like Sakura and Syaoran were equal leads and so win over male audiences
so the thing i thought wasn't completely off-base
i guess this is what's meant about the reverse not always being true . . . same deal with the bronies
The internet has made me nervous about bringing up philosophy terms or ideas I know, because people are really quick to dismiss it as semantics or nonsense.
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Don't think it's a huge deal
I barely even consider it a deal
i didn't think it was a bad movie. i don't think it was racist. It didn't strike me as excessively formulaic. i liked Almost There.
Disney need to make more movies about people who are not white. That would be good.
Failing that, people who are not Disney who make similarly high-quality animated movies need to eclipse them in popularity, but like, you know, that's not happening any time soon.
Disney movies are always conservative relative to the time at which they are released, and they always shoot for mass appeal, but they are typically of very high quality, at least when the company isn't going through a slump and if we disregard the niche and direct-to-DVD releases and the stuff that's farmed out to less competent sub-companies.
i quite liked Captain America the character when i was younger but i was never much into superhero comics
they are never must-watch cinema for me
Captain America: Winter Soldier is awful.
i hope it's a really good film.
And doubly sad that Christopher Lee can never play Death again :(
Disney's track record for portraying other people's cultures and beliefs is not good
CGI can be very good, but i feel that something was lost
that's really weird
There is only one scene of rat-and-bucket torture, when there could have been upwards of one.
Can't say more, I've never seen it.
To elaborate on this point a bit, the reason this happens is that modern television merchandising aims for total market segregation.
In a nutshell, it’s much more efficient to sell things to people if you can divide them up into tightly defined subcategories that have no interests in common; that way, you never risk accidentally competing with yourself.
This is why children’s toys (and toy sales channels) are actually much more strongly gendered these days than they were forty, thirty, even twenty years ago: one of the basic market segregation splits they’ve decided to use is “boys versus girls”.
Ever wonder why you see Avengers t-shirts that leave Black Widow out of the group shot, or Guardians of the Galaxy action figure lines with no Gamora? That’s market segregation in action.
The upshot is that shows with crossover appeal can actually be cancelled for being too popular with girls; they’re viewed as “stealing” the female market from the specifically girl-targeted media that rightfully “owns” it.
This is the sort of thing folks are talking about when they say gender roles are socially constructed, by the way. The gender split in media merchandising? It’s not just artificial, it’s deliberately imposed as a top-down marketing strategy. When folks try to justify it by saying “this is the ways it’s always been” or “this is just what the market wants”, they’re lying through their teeth - this is, in fact, the merchandisers dictating to the market what it wants in order to sell stuff more efficiently.
(Interestingly, the reverse isn’t always true: if a specifically girl-targeted show unexpectedly becomes popular with boys, sometimes rather than being cancelled, its merchandising will shift to court the male collector’s market. TV execs are so sexist, even their sexism is sexist.)
it genuinely did not occur to me that execs would be so attached to sexist gender roles that they actively recoil from their audiences and eschew potential revenue in order to maintain said roles
i thought they WANTED everyone to watch their stuff
but i always assumed it happened because of sexist assumptions about what toys would sell, the idea that only boys will want cartoon action figures and that boys won't want to play with girl-dolls
i didn't think they were actively TRYING to repel 50% of their audience on the basis of sexist stereotyping, i didn't think they were that stupid
i thought it was just a case of unexamined prejudices
/original Imi comment, do not steal
But it's so dumb!
And unless the shows are in direct competition with one another, like they air at the same time, wouldn't it make more sense from a marketing perspective to hope boys and girls will watch both shows? Watching one isn't hurting the other.
so the thing i thought wasn't completely off-base
i guess this is what's meant about the reverse not always being true . . . same deal with the bronies
the dub was retitled Cardcaptors
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