I'd imagine that'd be like finding out Asian countries are throwing bread and wine parties called "Communion" because some Christian pastors went over and started the practice a few decades ago.
i don't think that's too weird for cultural practices, that shit is transient
a lot of farmers in indochina, and probably europe for that matter, think corn is something they've grown traditionally, for thousands of years
Umm, as far as various groups of humanity go, I'd say hippies are rather harmless and so do not deserve particular hate.
That's only because you haven't seen them get into a pissing match with frat boys. That shit goes nuclear. The moment you see a mobile armored sweat lodge and a battalion of fire poi dancers, you need to get the hell out of Portland.
Anyway, I wonder just how New Age stuff differs from things like Santeria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santería in terms of mismatch of borrowed pieces of tradition devoid of context
i suppose the difference with "new age stuff" is that they do the lack of context thing for practices that are still alive and well, and accessible, which isn't really the case with the whole slave trade genocide thing
most religion lacks a lot of "context" anyway. why else would people think an "argentinian" pope is novel (it is novel in a modern context, of course)
I think that if I'll ever become religious, I'd be the most sympathetic to Episcopal Church. They are socially progressive, value ritual and showy services (which is important to me for emotional reasons), and my anglophile non-practicing Protestant mother would approve :)
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
... hey, a lot of those are out of chronological order.
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
(Yeah, there's actually such a thing as the Egyptian Pope - head of Oriental Orthodoxy.)
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
Each Orthodox nation has its own, except Greece. Then there are the ancient bishoprics of Jerusalem and Antioch, which both Orthodox communions and the Roman Catholic Church claim, with patriarchal titles.
Well, not quite that simple. Wikipedia has a list, of course.
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
On a tangent, there's a chanson de geste where Charlemagne sails to Jerusalem and is crowned Emperor by the Patriarch, on his way to see the Byzantine Emperor because Mrs. Magne called him the most handsome ruler.
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
What does the Patriarch of Jerusalem need a keyblade for?
Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
Acererak said:So not exactly religion but this quote has always confused me: "All get what they want; they do not always like it." -C.S Lewis Loads of people don't get what they want, What is this supposed to mean?
I don't think that quote was ever used in a philosophical context. When I read it, it was used in the context of Jadis stealing apples of agelessness, tempting Digory to do the same. Jadis could have lived nearly forever, but she would have been changed from full of life to the cold thing she is in Lion, Witch, and the Wardrobe. Digory could have saved his mother, but her life would be damned and cursed by the stolen apple.
So it's like a narrative thing. There are never any monkey's paws, but if you have a monkey's paw, don't wish with it.
I found out that the priest who baptized me--one Joseph Kurtz--has been ordained as a cardinal.
That is very cool indeed!
I wish I've got someone cool instead of that one... intern, I guess? Not sure if the term is appropriate for a priest, but he was very young, inexperienced and obviously undergoing training on the job. Anyway, I've been a rather chubby 13 years old, and he thought of nothing better than to take one look at me and give me a very pointed lecture on the evils of adultery (facepalm)
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
So not exactly religion but this quote has always confused me:
"All get what they want; they do not always like it."
-C.S Lewis
Loads of people don't get what they want, What is this supposed to mean?
I don't think that quote was ever used in a philosophical context. When I read it, it was used in the context of Jadis stealing apples of agelessness, tempting Digory to do the same. Jadis could have lived nearly forever, but she would have been changed from full of life to the cold thing she is in Lion, Witch, and the Wardrobe. Digory could have saved his mother, but her life would be damned and cursed by the stolen apple.
So it's like a narrative thing. There are never any monkey's paws, but if you have a monkey's paw, don't wish with it.
So it was like a "hahaha you passed the test of character" or something?
The White Witch was never really a great person to begin with, though. I mean when we first meet her, she freely admits to destroying her entire planet with a nuclear bomb spell out of pride.
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
So when the Emperor Julian was trying to re-establish paganism, he had a friend named Sallust who wrote a work of theology titled On the Gods and the World.
"That a God is immutable, without Generation, eternal, incorporeal, and omnipresent"
"On what account then the ancients, neglecting such discourses as these, employed fables, is a question not unworthy our investigation. ... Fables are theological which employ nothing corporeal, but speculate the very essences of the gods; such as the fable which asserts that Saturn devoured his children: for it obscurely intimates the nature of an intellectual god, since every intellect returns into itself."
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
I seem to remember you knowing a thing or two about demonology. Can you think of any Demon Lords or whatever that are closely associated with water/the sea?
Leviathan is the big one. Also considered one of the highest of demons in Christian demonology.
Leviathan has been associated with Envy at least twice as the principle demon behind the sin in ‘regarded’ Demonology books.
Procell (Duke) can make the sound of rushing water manifest, can warm waters, or disrupt healing baths.
Veper (Duke) is specifically connected with the seas.
Vine can make water’s choppy.
Focalor (Great Duke) has power over wind and seas. Seems he’s usually used to capsize boats.
Konus Patson (Front part horse, back part fish) is also tied to water and wrecks ships to steal gold and silver.
There’s also a grand Duke named Hydriel who likes swamps and bogs (though is a demon of air, for whatever reason). He has an entourage of lesser Dukes (12) who are also tied to water (some actually of the element).
Harthan is the King of the element of water and has a number of named ministers.
Most other water demons seemed to be associated with either Hydriel or Harthan.
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i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
... hey, a lot of those are out of chronological order.
man do you guys ever think about the patriarchs of the various churches
that's a thing right there.
You mean the Pope of Rome, Ppe of Alexandaria, and the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople? Sure.
Weird to think that Russia got its own patriarch again when the Communists took over.
There are a number of Orthodox Patriarchs actually. The way that hierarchy is set up is a little odd.
Each Orthodox nation has its own, except Greece. Then there are the ancient bishoprics of Jerusalem and Antioch, which both Orthodox communions and the Roman Catholic Church claim, with patriarchal titles.
Well, not quite that simple. Wikipedia has a list, of course.
I found out that the priest who baptized me--one Joseph Kurtz--has been ordained as a cardinal.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
Someone's made a comic about that I'm sure. If not, I'm sure someone will now.
"All get what they want; they do not always like it."
-C.S Lewis
Loads of people don't get what they want, What is this supposed to mean?
I don't think that quote was ever used in a philosophical context. When I read it, it was used in the context of Jadis stealing apples of agelessness, tempting Digory to do the same. Jadis could have lived nearly forever, but she would have been changed from full of life to the cold thing she is in Lion, Witch, and the Wardrobe. Digory could have saved his mother, but her life would be damned and cursed by the stolen apple.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Hearts:_Covenant
I wish I've got someone cool instead of that one... intern, I guess? Not sure if the term is appropriate for a priest, but he was very young, inexperienced and obviously undergoing training on the job. Anyway, I've been a rather chubby 13 years old, and he thought of nothing better than to take one look at me and give me a very pointed lecture on the evils of adultery (facepalm)
So I'm kind of envious
Whoa.
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I don't think that quote was ever used in a philosophical context. When I read it, it was used in the context of Jadis stealing apples of agelessness, tempting Digory to do the same. Jadis could have lived nearly forever, but she would have been changed from full of life to the cold thing she is in Lion, Witch, and the Wardrobe. Digory could have saved his mother, but her life would be damned and cursed by the stolen apple.
So it was like a "hahaha you passed the test of character" or something?
So when the Emperor Julian was trying to re-establish paganism, he had a friend named Sallust who wrote a work of theology titled On the Gods and the World.
"That a God is immutable, without Generation, eternal, incorporeal, and omnipresent"
"On what account then the ancients, neglecting such discourses as these, employed fables, is a question not unworthy our investigation. ... Fables are theological which employ nothing corporeal, but speculate the very essences of the gods; such as the fable which asserts that Saturn devoured his children: for it obscurely intimates the nature of an intellectual god, since every intellect returns into itself."
Oh, that explains it!
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
thefutureghost asked:
I seem to remember you knowing a thing or two about demonology. Can you think of any Demon Lords or whatever that are closely associated with water/the sea?
Leviathan is the big one. Also considered one of the highest of demons in Christian demonology.
Leviathan has been associated with Envy at least twice as the principle demon behind the sin in ‘regarded’ Demonology books.
Procell (Duke) can make the sound of rushing water manifest, can warm waters, or disrupt healing baths.
Veper (Duke) is specifically connected with the seas.
Vine can make water’s choppy.
Focalor (Great Duke) has power over wind and seas. Seems he’s usually used to capsize boats.
Konus Patson (Front part horse, back part fish) is also tied to water and wrecks ships to steal gold and silver.
There’s also a grand Duke named Hydriel who likes swamps and bogs (though is a demon of air, for whatever reason). He has an entourage of lesser Dukes (12) who are also tied to water (some actually of the element).
Harthan is the King of the element of water and has a number of named ministers.
Most other water demons seemed to be associated with either Hydriel or Harthan.