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Oh I know perfectly well what I'm talking about. Because for the longest time I too was under the impression that as long as I hollered all the bad things, they'd go away. Did not happen.
Are you honestly trying to imply that people who are strongly disliked are either banned or leave voluntarily? That's absurd. People wouldn't complain about people who annoy them on there if they were consistently banned, or otherwise dealt with. But they're not, which is why anyone who might want an intelligent discussion has to put up with racists, sexists, homophobes, straw nihilists, wannabe Socratics, and a variety of other things. In the end, it turns into not being worth the effort, which is why TVT is the way it is. The only people who care enough to fix the problems are fanatics, who are also insufferable when they're on about their pet issue(s), making the only real solution to leave (permanently, in my case).
That's obviously all situational, but in the end it really does not matter who on that particular day is being a jackass, where they're being one, if they've been one before, and where else they were a jackass before they decided to be one now. They're still being a jackass, it's still stressful, and it's still not worth it.
One of the reasons I vastly prefer this site is that it's so apolitical. I could not tell you what most of the folks here think about Issues X, Y, Z, and F. Nor do I care, nor do I expect them to care about my stances on the same issues. That sounds like it'd stifle discussion, but it doesn't. Because people find other things to talk about, things that are not so important, and things less likely to end in inferno.
So sure, if you're willing to put up with a stream of idiots that'll never cease, stay on TVTropes. If you--like me--are not, then your best option is leaving.
Again, not even saying that it is wrong.
But... what the hay, it's sad. Feel like a freak again, and TVT used to be a place where I didn't.
Not a criticism, again. Just an observation. Just an incompatibility.
I'm sorry. I probably annoy everyone, and should drop the subject already. Just can't leave it alone...
Don't try to get "objective" on me. Rules are arbitrary and so is their enforcement, as determined by the worldview of whoever made them (Eddie, in this case) and whoever is carrying them out (the mods, in this case).
I would not have problems with TVTropes' rules if they made any logical sense. As it is, I could go on there right now, promote genocide and get away with it as long as I did so politely, but the first person to call me out can get banned for a personal attack.
If you don't see something wrong with that, you're either Lawful Neutral on the D&D chart or something else entirely.
SA is no better than TVTropes.
I am not obligated to go through the logical process with every racist fuckwit that walks through the door. Nor am I obligated to "just deal with it". If that kind of thought is fostered (and it is, by virtue of actively suppressing people who speak out against it) I will leave, and I have left.
"Don't try to get "objective" on me. Rules are arbitrary and so is their enforcement, as determined by the worldview of whoever made them (Eddie, in this case) and whoever is carrying them out (the mods, in this case). "
Then follow the rules as they're put out there. It's not hard to avoid being a dick. You think they'll get offended? Don't say it. Easiest solution ever.
"I would not have problems with TVTropes' rules if they made any logical sense. As it is, I could go on there right now, promote genocide and get away with it as long as I did so politely, but the first person to call me out can get banned for a personal attack."
Not only is that kind of topic now banned, but he was not breaking any rules at the time. Stop bringing him up. He's already not able to do it ever again, and he's already being watched. And you couldn't either. Being polite about your view won't do anything if the view is not allowed. It's not being thumped because you're being a dick, it's being thumped to avoid flaming and horrifyingly problemsome arguments.
"If you don't see something wrong with that, you're either Lawful Neutral on the D&D chart or something else entirely."
I see something entirely wrong with flaming people for having a view you don't like. Banning the view is fine. Banning a person for their views is not. There is a difference between advocating something and talking about it. Banning the conversation is 100% better, anyway.
And we only did that after what, a full year of pestering? And how often is this actually enforced? Genuine question, because that rule took effect the day after I was banned.
Oh, I pretty much agree.
Just that, at least in my entire stay there, we never banned the conversation. It was always on a rudeness/politeness axis, rather than "hey it might be a terrible idea to have a conversation about this".
I'm not just covering OTC and the like, I can think of examples since my earliest days there. Recall that Guitar Bizarre person we were talking about a few pages back? It took him months of picking fights, ranting half-coherently at people, and being a general tool to finally get banned. It should not have taken that long.
I don't know who to blame in that process, and I don't particularly care. It's a problem, and it's not going away any time soon.
How easy something is to ignore depends entirely on what kind of personality you have. Indeed, if I could ignore all the bad things about TVTropes I never would've left.
FTFY.
I guess.
Compared to other websites I visit/have visited, this barely qualifies as an argument.
Q: Have I lost interest in this conversation?
A:
"Oh, I pretty much agree.
Just that, at least in my entire stay there, we never banned the conversation. It was always on a rudeness/politeness axis, rather than "hey it might be a terrible idea to have a conversation about this".
You were banned for your ragequit anyway. The timing was just coincidental. In fact, it had nada to do with you.
"I'm not just covering OTC and the like, I can think of examples since my earliest days there. Recall that Guitar Bizarre person we were talking about a few pages back? It took him months of picking fights, ranting half-coherently at people, and being a general tool to finally get banned. It should not have taken that long. "
Some people are dicks, no question about that. But we don't know the reasons why.
"I don't know who to blame in that process, and I don't particularly care. It's a problem, and it's not going away any time soon."
Ban the topic first unless the person in particular will not drop it. That's when they need to leave. Disagreeing with a person is still not banworthy.
"How easy something is to ignore depends entirely on what kind of personality you have. Indeed, if I could ignore all the bad things about TVTropes I never would've left."
You're ignoring it right away, and you stopped going there. You're not reading it, are you? You can't reply. So you're doing exactly what I suggested.
Banning a person for their views is discrimination. That's why a ban is the last straw. We shouldn't have to ban them in the first place, but that does happen. The priority of things are debatable, I won't disagree with that. I am against talking about horrible subjects in the first place. With those banned, those who derail it into that stuff is easier to make sure that they planned to cause trouble. And they aren't the same thing anyway. If you ban a topic, better topics can be discussed without issues. Just because they have a view on one thing, doesn't mean their views on other subjects are 'bad' either.
I suppose so, but this thread insists on reminding me the forums exist (I do not and never have had any real problems with the wiki itself).
Also, regarding my ban being a "ragequit", LOL.
"Also, regarding my ban being a "ragequit", LOL. "
That's exactly what it was. You raged because someone you liked got banned for pissing off the staff in some way.
@Naney: The coloring/etc to make quotes is too hard for an idiot like me to understand or remember. Sorry.
Not really, no.
1) I was sick of the place because it was stressing me out
2) I knew if I just left voluntarily I'd be back in an hour
3) The mods there do not ban on request, and never have.
so I posted some half-assed rant, was reported, and banned. You can believe me or not, and you can also decide for yourself as to whether or not that qualifies as "raeg", but suffice it to say, Cygan Angel being banned had nothing to do with my leaving. I barely knew the girl.
For the record, I even thanked Madrugada afterward, and you can PM her to ask if you don't believe me.
Also, you cannot read my thoughts and I would appreciate it if you didn't act like you could.