Clearly you feel strongly about them and i suppose as i haven't met any i should defer to your experiences.
i just, i don't know. It baffles me. The hatred they inspire seems utterly disproportionate to the things they are accused of doing.
Someone who just pretends to like unfashionable things because they think it makes them look cool is just kind of pathetic.
Oh, that's certainly pathetic. It's when you wax pseudo-philosophic and get yourself off on talking about how oh-so-deep you are while doing these obnoxious things (among others), that I write you off as a hipster and thus someone not worth listening to.
I think my problem is that if you stretch it the term could be used for any number of things that have nothing to do with it, really
That's kinda how it feels to me.
Or, frankly, it feels like a bunch of weird unspoken rules that keep changing and updating all the time, and if you break any one of them you are complete scum and also are assumed not to have any genuine interests and that everything you do is done out of smugness and condescension.
Like you could be minding your own business, trying to do your own thing, and then suddenly you are informed that the clothes you are wearing or the movie you liked are now "hipster" things, and therefore The Absolute Worst.
mostly in my experience complaining about hipsters is mostly a way to shut down people who enjoy things that are "too arty" or "not something a person like you should like"
That's fair, and I personally try to avoid unnecessary stretching. Perhaps I'm not explaining myself well. I don't know about unspoken rules and complete scum and The Absolute Worst, just that people who act like special snowflakes (for lack of a better word), and that their tastes are superior to "mainstream people" (a group always vaguely defined and constructed in a way to make them sound like idiots by comparison, in my experience), are incredibly tedious to talk to. Also keep in mind I wasn't talking about dress or anything like that, or even liking specific media. It's an irritating type of behavior, not so much a matter of tastes.
Like, there are far worse things in media chatter, like any form of pervasive bigotry for the easiest thing to come to mind.
mostly in my experience complaining about hipsters is mostly a way to shut down people who enjoy things that are "too arty" or "not something a person like you should like"
That... is at least not how I think about them or use the term at all. I'm pretty bothered by those people too, though my experience is almost entirely with the former group. Which are also tedious to talk to, to me.
Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
I feel like that sometimes it's a matter of accessibility, and I feel some folks try really hard to be obtuse and willfully abstruse, to the detriment of everyone.
if it were just a particular way of acting was a hipster way to act, like only liking things that are unpopular, i could understand the criticism, and i have found jokes about that amusing in the past
but then people talk about "hipster media" and i'm like ?????
It's an indignant response to the perceived feelings of superiority found in hipsters, often projected onto the works they enjoy. Hence, why every damn thing that's the least bit didactic gets called pretentious.
You seemed to be asking for an explanation. Were you not?
You know when you're watching something that challenges you, because it's a very definite sense of not getting it, or not liking it, except instead of just distaste, you come to appreciate where it's coming from. i don't think you can be challenged by something and not notice it.
I dunno
I am something of an antihipster in that I do tend to turn my nose up at anything I think is trying to be too heady for its own good
but I also love Serial Experiments Lain. But the thing with that is that even though I didn't understand the plot at first I could still appreciate the aesthetics and everything so I was sort of eased into things in that way. That happens to me fairly often, whereas I don't come around on things I used to hate all that much.
Though I guess it is sort of a different thing, this conversation reminded me of Spec Ops: The Line and some of your criticisms of it, which seemed pretty legitimate to me from what I remember.
I think "deconstruction" as a concept is interesting, most of the works that tend to be described as being one, not so much. I suppose I am just not really into stuff in works that is aimed at making the viewer/player uncomfortable seemingly just for the sake of making them uncomfortable or to show how horrible things can be (or be imagined to be) and I feel like there is a lot of that in those works. Granted, I do like being "challenged" by a work sometimes (The Brothers Karamazov is the main example that comes to mind), so I probably just need to find more works like that.
Honestly I wouldn't really categorize SOTL as a deconstruction per se, because it really doesn't actually engage with its perceived targets all that much. Any such jabs mainly serve to enhance the pervading atmosphere of discomfort the game creates, but they aren't really the game's theme. Bioshock it ain't.
I realized after recommending it to a bunch of my friends just how hard it is to describe accurately. A lot of the expected tropes don't really come into play or don't work as expected- saying stuff like the PC being the "real villain," for example, is really reductive when placed in the context of the actual game and really only serve as a pitch. "Play this game, it's a deconstruction of Modern Warfare where you're the real bad guy!"
It plays on certain player expectations but on the whole it is its own work with its own goals, not just dark send up of shooters or a flash game-esque experiment in fucking with the player.
Honestly I wouldn't really categorize SOTL as a deconstruction per se, because it really doesn't actually engage with its perceived targets all that much. Any such jabs mainly serve to enhance the pervading atmosphere of discomfort the game creates, but they aren't really the game's theme. Bioshock it ain't.
Okay, I can see that. I guess "deconstruction" is thrown around a lot these days and it is not always super clear what it means (at least not to me).
Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
An American League (which has precedent, there are the French Les Hommes Mysterieux and the German Die Zwielichthelden) wouldn't call themselves "gentlemen."
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but, some of us outgrew it.
I got the ninja'd
That's kinda how it feels to me.
Or, frankly, it feels like a bunch of weird unspoken rules that keep changing and updating all the time, and if you break any one of them you are complete scum and also are assumed not to have any genuine interests and that everything you do is done out of smugness and condescension.
Like you could be minding your own business, trying to do your own thing, and then suddenly you are informed that the clothes you are wearing or the movie you liked are now "hipster" things, and therefore The Absolute Worst.
i'm guessing not, but if not, why punish people who try to do something original or clever? What's up with that?
i'm too quick to take offence.
Crystal, it's pretty obvious we're not talking about the same people.
This probably proves Patch's point.
i kinda always assumed people did so as a joke
they always seemed such an arbitrary group to pick on
...oh wait, I thought that said memes
Likewise, i apologize for getting angry in my own little direction.
that is a true fact and you know it is true because you read it on the internet
I've got a baby shower to go to tomorrow and I think I leave Sunday though. >_>
Sorry Jane.
I think "deconstruction" as a concept is interesting, most of the works that tend to be described as being one, not so much. I suppose I am just not really into stuff in works that is aimed at making the viewer/player uncomfortable seemingly just for the sake of making them uncomfortable or to show how horrible things can be (or be imagined to be) and I feel like there is a lot of that in those works. Granted, I do like being "challenged" by a work sometimes (The Brothers Karamazov is the main example that comes to mind), so I probably just need to find more works like that.
I realized after recommending it to a bunch of my friends just how hard it is to describe accurately. A lot of the expected tropes don't really come into play or don't work as expected- saying stuff like the PC being the "real villain," for example, is really reductive when placed in the context of the actual game and really only serve as a pitch. "Play this game, it's a deconstruction of Modern Warfare where you're the real bad guy!"
It plays on certain player expectations but on the whole it is its own work with its own goals, not just dark send up of shooters or a flash game-esque experiment in fucking with the player.
I hope your RP goes well.
goodnight
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guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
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guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
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guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead