But yeah, because I think it kind of got passed over: As asinine as punk could be as a genre and culture, I find the assertion that it was solely created by and for privileged cishet white boys disturbing for a number of reasons, not the least of which being that it lets the bigots who did and do exist within the culture win out in their conception of what punk was and is.
Here's the thing though, right?
Like we can talk about the fact that that's not how the culture was intended to be at its inception, and that's a valid conversation to have.
But as it stands now, can we genuinely say that punk purist culture isn't those things? And that bleeds into bands' lyrics.
I'm not talking about how punk culture was when London Calling came out, I'm talking about how "punk culture" is now, as I understand it.
It's possible my perception is skewed, but that is the face of punk I see most often.
Hm...well. I don't appreciate rides as much as I used to (I just feel really sick and dizzy), but I think it would be fun as long as someone I like is with me. Also, Disney Epcot seems cool. A bunch of attractions and stuff themed after different countries. It's the closest I'd ever get to actually travelling, probably.
@Mossboss: I'm talking about punk and hardcore up until about, say, 1987. The collapse of Black Flag, the peak of Wire's second era, when Sonic Youth started to become relevant - around there. The offspring of punk continued on, but the original momentum had died or mutated into something else entirely by that point.
Modern punk purist culture is of the line of the Maximum Hardcore folks and the Oi! bores, for the most part. Not very interesting.
I mean, especially early on, punk actually had minority representation and visibility. Bad Brains, The Slits, The Dicks, The Raincoats, The Apostles, The Basement 5...
I was including them on the grounds that they were an all-black hardcore group. I'm well aware of their other issues. And that's totally breezing over The Raincoats and The Apostles.
Roughly half of them could be loosely classified as "post-punk," although that's sort of a moot point with The Slits given that they were around about as long as the Buzzcocks. But yeah, some of them are on the obscure side, particularly Basement 5, but I wouldn't call them insignificant.
idk to what degree i really meant my original statement in this whole discussion
it's just i really do get this strong impression of very much unwarranted self-importance from most punk bands/musicians, especially the older ones
Usually the biggest loudmouths are the ones who made a career being, well, exactly that. And many of them do have ridiculous egos and some serious blind spots with regard to sensitivity. Which is to say, if you've made a career being an asshole... it follows.
Disney World is fun, and Epcot is actually the coolest.
Having been to, like, every theme park within driving distance from Orlando, I have to say that Disney does a good job of completely immersing you into the park. When you're in there, the outside world stops existing for a moment. Space Mountain sets up this whole premise for you going off into space in a machine that will almost certainly give you whiplash. The playground in Animal Kingdom lets you look for real (plastic) fossils. Epcot Germany is practically Little Bavaria, right down to purchasable beer. Every section of a park and every subsection and every ride inside that subsection is it's own microcosm of an adventure, and it's wonderful. Islands of Adventure does comes close to achieving the same effect, though it lacks the sheer numbers of the Disney workforce, and it arguably has more attractions for the young adult crowd. Also, Disney employment is hardcore, and everybody's kept to strict standards. Especially the mascots. We had a guest pastor come by once who used to be Pluto. Nearly passed out during a parade, and he couldn't do anything until it ended because god knows what taking off the Pluto head in public would do to a child's psyche.
The golf ball ride has been consistently broken every time I've returned to Epcot since, like, '06 though, which is frustrating because I no longer trust my memories about how cool it was.
marx conversation that already ended: maybe he framed human wants in that way, wanting to control labor products or whatever, because he worked a lot with wage slaves who really would have been happier with control. and then he extended this idea to everyone else inappropriately
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i hate people in mascot outfits and i hate rides so
the people in said outfits are prolly fine
I don't like Disney as much, which makes me feel bad
it's just i really do get this strong impression of very much unwarranted self-importance from most punk bands/musicians, especially the older ones
which wouldn't be the end of the world except like they're snobby and elitist about their ugly masses of sloppy power chords
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Having been to, like, every theme park within driving distance from Orlando, I have to say that Disney does a good job of completely immersing you into the park. When you're in there, the outside world stops existing for a moment. Space Mountain sets up this whole premise for you going off into space in a machine that will almost certainly give you whiplash. The playground in Animal Kingdom lets you look for real (plastic) fossils. Epcot Germany is practically Little Bavaria, right down to purchasable beer. Every section of a park and every subsection and every ride inside that subsection is it's own microcosm of an adventure, and it's wonderful. Islands of Adventure does comes close to achieving the same effect, though it lacks the sheer numbers of the Disney workforce, and it arguably has more attractions for the young adult crowd. Also, Disney employment is hardcore, and everybody's kept to strict standards. Especially the mascots. We had a guest pastor come by once who used to be Pluto. Nearly passed out during a parade, and he couldn't do anything until it ended because god knows what taking off the Pluto head in public would do to a child's psyche.
The golf ball ride has been consistently broken every time I've returned to Epcot since, like, '06 though, which is frustrating because I no longer trust my memories about how cool it was.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Foglio did a bit in here. Didn't realize that.
Don't feel bad for liking what you like and disliking what you don't. There is no shame in your opinions.
Don't go down the road of "feeling bad for having opinions that differ from other people". You'll end up like me.
The tastes that I had before about 2011 or so mostly embarrass me nowadays.
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