"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
Infect is a good. It seems simple damage is no way to win in EDH. You want an infinite combo, or to drop Rite of Reflection on an infect creature, or something.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
My EDH decks actually usually win with damage dealing.
My Red/Blue/Black Gorza deck usually uses giant creatures to deal the damage after a massive control campaign. Often times, it's the other players' massive creatures, blue is a bitch that way.
My Green/White/Black token deck is also usually damage. I just get out so many creatures, my opponent doesn't have sufficient blockers to do anything about it.
My black/blue unblockable/ninja deck is also usually damage. Though, this one also employs ton of control.
I guess it's pretty hard to win quickly when you're doing direct damage and your general isn't a great way to deal it all, but with lots of control and some awesome late game cards, it's quite doable.
Definitely. Even my G/B Jarad deck often wins on direct damage alone. It's often the case in EDH. There are a lot of utility generals out there that rely on it.
I never understood how to use infect in EDH. At least, not attack-wise
If you use the 10 poison counters rule, then infect's overpowered. General!Skithyryx the Blight Dragon can kill a player twice as quickly as the other generals. But infect isn't mentioned in any official EDH rules.
I saw it being used in a magic league lately. It can happen, it's still 10 counters and you're dead. With double strike a Putrefax can kill in one turn with no warning.
Skittles can be pretty overpowered, but the thing about poison in EDH is that playing it makes it harder to engage in leveraging politics in your favor for a number of reasons.
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
At some point I want to build a Mimeoplasm EDH deck, because doing 21 damage with a copy of Hydra Omnivore would be hilarious even if the survivors cooperate to make sure you're the next to die.
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
The full list is up for EDH. Overall I'd say the set doesn't compare to the Return of Ravnica but their are a few phenomenal cards in it. I'm not looking forward to Justice running four of this guy in his Goblin Legacy deck:
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
Apparently I started a post then got distracted.
Reports from the latest Justice Friday EDH games.
Getting out Doubling Season and Cathar's Crusade makes the game hysterical for whoever had those cards and a way to generate tokens.
Also "Horesemanship" is thematically pretty weird. It works in the Romance of the Three Kingdoms set, but my wife brought out Sun Quan who brought enough horses for her small group of Angels and Demons. My army of flying fucking horses couldn't do anything to stop them!
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
Cthulhu Mythos vs. proto-Indo-Europeans. Write it.
Also "Horesemanship" is thematically pretty weird. It works in the Romance of the Three Kingdoms set, but my wife brought out Sun Quan who brought enough horses for her small group of Angels and Demons. My army of flying fucking horses couldn't do anything to stop them!
I won a game with an army of crabs on horses once.
Also "Horesemanship" is thematically pretty weird. It works in the Romance of the Three Kingdoms set, but my wife brought out Sun Quan who brought enough horses for her small group of Angels and Demons. My army of flying fucking horses couldn't do anything to stop them!
I won a game with an army of crabs on horses once.
What's great is there already was a "mounted" mechanic; flanking, which makes blocking creatures -1/-1 if they didn't have flanking.
So we might have situations where a dude on a horse STILL wouldn't be able to block other dudes on horses, because his horse is "not that kind of horse".
...What if a creature was granted both flanking AND horsemanship? Does this mean he has an ultra-mega horse, or is he riding two horses simultaneously?
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
I'm much less likely to spend money on Magic cards when I can't test the fun per dollar ratio on Cockatrice.
It is now the untap step. Haven is looking at his sideboard. Haven plays Geth, Lord of the Vault from sideboard. Haven stops looking at his sideboard. Haven sets counter life to 40 (+20). yarrunmace: And that deck doesn't really have shennanigans until +8 mana It is now the draw step. yarrunmace sets counter life to 40 (+20). yarrunmace is looking at his sideboard. yarrunmace plays Chainer, Dementia Master from sideboard. yarrunmace stops looking at his sideboard. yarrunmace draws 1 card(s). yarrunmace draws 1 card(s). yarrunmace draws 1 card(s). yarrunmace draws 1 card(s). yarrunmace draws 1 card(s). yarrunmace draws 1 card(s). yarrunmace draws 1 card(s). Haven draws his initial hand. yarrunmace puts a card into play from hand. Haven puts a card into play from hand. yarrunmace puts a card into play from hand. Haven puts a card into play from hand. Haven: ...as much as I want to keep this entire hand, there's the part where it is no mana. Haven puts a card into play from hand. yarrunmace draws 1 card(s). Haven puts a card into play from hand. Haven puts a card into play from hand. yarrunmace draws 1 card(s). Haven moves a card from table to hand. Haven moves a card from table to hand. yarrunmace puts a card from table on top of his library. yarrunmace puts a card from table into his library at position 1. Haven moves a card from table to hand. yarrunmace shuffles his library. Haven puts a card into play from hand. Haven puts a card into play from hand. Haven puts a card into play from hand. Haven draws 1 card(s). Haven draws 1 card(s). yarrunmace: Like so? Haven draws 1 card(s). Haven draws 1 card(s). Haven draws 1 card(s). Haven puts a card from table on top of his library. Haven puts a card from table into his library at position 1. Haven puts a card from table into his library at position 2. Haven puts a card from table into his library at position 3. Haven puts a card from table into his library at position 4. Haven shuffles his library. It is now the first main phase. Haven puts a card into play from hand. Haven puts a card into play from hand. yarrunmace puts Thawing Glaciers into play tapped from hand. Haven puts a card into play from hand. It is now the ending phase. Haven puts a card into play from hand. Haven draws 1 card(s). Haven draws 1 card(s). Haven draws 1 card(s). Haven puts a card from table on top of his library. Haven puts a card from table into his library at position 1. Haven puts a card from table into his library at position 2. Haven puts a card from table into his library at position 3. Haven shuffles his library. Haven: That'll do
It is now Haven's turn.
It is now the untap step. It is now the upkeep step. It is now the draw step. Haven draws 1 card(s). It is now the first main phase. Haven puts Swamp into play from hand. It is now the ending phase.
It is now yarrunmace's turn.
It is now the untap step. yarrunmace untaps his permanents. It is now the draw step. yarrunmace draws 1 card(s). It is now the first main phase. yarrunmace puts Swamp into play from hand. yarrunmace taps Thawing Glaciers. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace is looking at his library. yarrunmace puts Swamp into play from library. yarrunmace stops looking at his library. yarrunmace shuffles his library. yarrunmace moves Thawing Glaciers from table to hand. It is now the ending phase.
It is now Haven's turn.
It is now the untap step. It is now the upkeep step. It is now the draw step. Haven draws 1 card(s). It is now the first main phase. Haven puts Swamp into play from hand. It is now the ending phase.
It is now yarrunmace's turn.
It is now the untap step. yarrunmace untaps his permanents. It is now the draw step. yarrunmace draws 1 card(s). It is now the first main phase. yarrunmace puts Swamp into play from hand. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace puts Wayfarer's Bauble into play from hand. It is now the ending phase.
It is now Haven's turn.
It is now the untap step. It is now the upkeep step. It is now the draw step. Haven draws 1 card(s). It is now the first main phase. Haven puts Swamp into play from hand. It is now the ending phase.
It is now yarrunmace's turn.
It is now the untap step. yarrunmace untaps his permanents. It is now the draw step. yarrunmace draws 1 card(s). It is now the first main phase. yarrunmace puts Thawing Glaciers into play tapped from hand. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Wayfarer's Bauble. yarrunmace puts Wayfarer's Bauble from table into graveyard. yarrunmace is looking at his library. yarrunmace puts Swamp into play from library. yarrunmace stops looking at his library. yarrunmace shuffles his library. yarrunmace taps Swamp. It is now the ending phase.
It is now Haven's turn.
It is now the untap step. It is now the upkeep step. It is now the draw step. Haven draws 1 card(s). It is now the first main phase. Haven puts Swamp into play from hand. Haven taps Swamp. Haven taps Swamp. Haven taps Swamp. Haven taps Swamp. Haven puts Phyrexian Obliterator into play from hand. It is now the ending phase.
It is now yarrunmace's turn.
It is now the untap step. yarrunmace untaps his permanents. It is now the draw step. yarrunmace draws 1 card(s). It is now the first main phase. Haven: >:D Of course you can just kill it and take it for your own in that deck... but hey. yarrunmace puts Cabal Coffers into play from hand. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Cabal Coffers. yarrunmace: Okay, so I have 6 mana to work with yarrunmace puts Kiku, Night's Flower into play from hand. yarrunmace puts Grindstone into play from hand. yarrunmace: Hmm Can't use a tap ability on the first turn yarrunmace taps Thawing Glaciers. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace puts Thawing Glaciers from table into graveyard. yarrunmace moves Thawing Glaciers from graveyard to hand. yarrunmace is looking at his library. yarrunmace puts Swamp into play from library. yarrunmace stops looking at his library. yarrunmace shuffles his library. Haven: ...O.O Good lord, those are pretty much the worst two cards for me to be staring at right now. I am impressed. yarrunmace: Thank you yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Grindstone. Haven puts Swamp from the top of his library into graveyard. Haven puts Swamp from the top of his library into graveyard. Haven: (They're both colorless, so I'm in the clear.) It is now the ending phase.
It is now Haven's turn.
It is now the untap step. Haven untaps his permanents. It is now the upkeep step. It is now the draw step. Haven draws 1 card(s). It is now the first main phase. It is now the beginning of combat step. It is now the declare attackers step. Haven taps Phyrexian Obliterator. It is now the declare blockers step. It is now the combat damage step. yarrunmace sets counter life to 39 (-1). yarrunmace sets counter life to 38 (-1). yarrunmace sets counter life to 37 (-1). yarrunmace sets counter life to 36 (-1). yarrunmace sets counter life to 35 (-1). It is now the second main phase. It is now the ending phase.
It is now yarrunmace's turn.
It is now the untap step. yarrunmace untaps his permanents. It is now the draw step. yarrunmace draws 1 card(s). It is now the first main phase. yarrunmace: You know, if you end up being the first person I've legitimately beaten at EDH, I'm going to laugh yarrunmace puts Blinkmoth Nexus into play from hand. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Cabal Coffers. yarrunmace sets counter b to 1 (+1). yarrunmace sets counter b to 2 (+1). yarrunmace sets counter b to 3 (+1). yarrunmace sets counter b to 4 (+1). yarrunmace sets counter b to 5 (+1). yarrunmace sets counter b to 4 (-1). yarrunmace sets counter b to 3 (-1). yarrunmace sets counter b to 2 (-1). yarrunmace sets counter b to 1 (-1). yarrunmace taps Kiku, Night's Flower. yarrunmace points from his Kiku, Night's Flower to Haven's Phyrexian Obliterator. Haven puts Swamp from table into graveyard. Haven puts Swamp from table into graveyard. Haven puts Swamp from table into graveyard. Haven puts Swamp from table into graveyard. Haven puts Phyrexian Obliterator from table into graveyard. Haven: ;.; yarrunmace: ... I'm sorry
yarrunmace sets counter b to 0 (-1). yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Grindstone. Haven puts Altar of Shadows from the top of his library into graveyard. Haven puts Doubling Cube from the top of his library into graveyard. yarrunmace: Wow How is your luck so good and yet so terrible? It is now the ending phase.
It is now Haven's turn.
It is now the untap step. It is now the upkeep step. It is now the draw step. Haven draws 1 card(s). Haven: That is a mystery for the ages. It is now the first main phase. Haven puts Swamp into play from hand. It is now the ending phase.
It is now yarrunmace's turn.
It is now the untap step. yarrunmace untaps his permanents. It is now the draw step. yarrunmace draws 1 card(s). It is now the first main phase. Haven: ...did we both just take time out of the match to go talk about that on the trash heap yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Cabal Coffers. yarrunmace: Yes Haven: Well, I guess after something like that, it's only appropriate to talk trash yarrunmace: You know that big stuff just went down when everybody has to comment on it on their social networking site of choice And that wasn't trash talk I feel bad about it Haven: Haha, dude, it was awesome. yarrunmace sets counter b to 1 (+1). Haven: Don't yarrunmace sets counter b to 2 (+1). yarrunmace sets counter b to 3 (+1). yarrunmace sets counter b to 4 (+1). yarrunmace sets counter b to 5 (+1). yarrunmace sets counter b to 6 (+1). yarrunmace sets counter b to 5 (-1). yarrunmace sets counter b to 4 (-1). yarrunmace sets counter b to 3 (-1). yarrunmace sets counter b to 2 (-1). yarrunmace puts Extraplanar Lens into play from hand. yarrunmace attaches Extraplanar Lens to yarrunmace's Swamp. yarrunmace puts Thawing Glaciers into play tapped from hand. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace sets counter b to 1 (-1). yarrunmace sets counter b to 0 (-1). yarrunmace puts Eldrazi Conscription into play from hand. yarrunmace attaches Eldrazi Conscription to yarrunmace's Kiku, Night's Flower. It is now the declare attackers step. yarrunmace taps Kiku, Night's Flower. Haven: ...sweet fancy moses Haven plays Swamp from table. Haven puts Swamp from the stack into graveyard. Haven sets counter life to 30 (-10). It is now the ending phase. yarrunmace: Oh my god Haven: The sad thing is I mulliganed away exactly the card that could've saved me from a situation like this yarrunmace: What did I just do Haven sets counter life to 29 (-1).
It is now Haven's turn.
It is now the untap step. It is now the upkeep step. It is now the draw step. Haven draws 1 card(s). It is now the first main phase. Haven: Awesome things, that's what. Haven puts Swamp into play from hand. It is now the ending phase.
It is now yarrunmace's turn.
It is now the untap step. yarrunmace untaps his permanents. It is now the draw step. yarrunmace draws 1 card(s). It is now the first main phase. yarrunmace puts Swamp into play from hand. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace sets counter b to 1 (+1). yarrunmace sets counter b to 2 (+1). yarrunmace sets counter b to 3 (+1). yarrunmace sets counter b to 4 (+1). yarrunmace sets counter b to 5 (+1). yarrunmace taps Cabal Coffers. yarrunmace sets counter b to 4 (-1). yarrunmace sets counter b to 3 (-1). yarrunmace sets counter b to 2 (-1). yarrunmace sets counter b to 1 (-1). yarrunmace sets counter b to 0 (-1). yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace plays Cabal Conditioning from hand. Haven puts Mystifying Maze from hand into graveyard. Haven puts Reaper from the Abyss from hand into graveyard. Haven puts Enslave from hand into graveyard. Haven puts Darksteel Forge from hand into graveyard. Haven puts Withering Boon from hand into graveyard. Haven puts Journeyer's Kite from hand into graveyard. yarrunmace puts Cabal Conditioning from the stack into graveyard. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Grindstone. Haven puts Breeding Pit from the top of his library into graveyard. Haven puts Beseech the Queen from the top of his library into graveyard. Haven puts Swamp from the top of his library into graveyard. Haven puts Expedition Map from the top of his library into graveyard. It is now the declare attackers step. yarrunmace taps Kiku, Night's Flower. Haven sets counter life to 18 (-11). Haven puts Swamp from table into graveyard. It is now the ending phase.
It is now Haven's turn.
It is now the untap step. It is now the upkeep step. It is now the draw step. Haven draws 1 card(s). It is now the first main phase. It is now the ending phase.
It is now yarrunmace's turn.
It is now the untap step. yarrunmace untaps his permanents. It is now the draw step. yarrunmace draws 1 card(s). It is now the first main phase. yarrunmace: Dude, you are awesome If I was in your place, I probably would have forfeited by now yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace untaps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Grindstone. Haven puts Zombie Master from the top of his library into graveyard. Haven puts Maze of Ith from the top of his library into graveyard. yarrunmace: Ouch yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace puts Chainer, Dementia Master into play from the stack. yarrunmace taps Blinkmoth Nexus. yarrunmace moves Thawing Glaciers from table to hand. yarrunmace is looking at his library. yarrunmace puts Swamp into play from library. yarrunmace stops looking at his library. yarrunmace shuffles his library. yarrunmace puts Thawing Glaciers into play tapped from hand. It is now the ending phase.
It is now Haven's turn.
It is now the untap step. It is now the upkeep step. It is now the draw step. Haven draws 1 card(s). It is now the first main phase. It is now the ending phase.
It is now yarrunmace's turn.
It is now the untap step. yarrunmace untaps his permanents. It is now the draw step. yarrunmace draws 1 card(s). It is now the first main phase. yarrunmace puts Swamp into play from hand. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace sets counter life to 34 (-1). yarrunmace sets counter life to 33 (-1). yarrunmace sets counter life to 32 (-1). yarrunmace: Phyrexian Obliterator Haven gives yarrunmace control over Phyrexian Obliterator. yarrunmace: As long as I'm winning, I might as well do it in style yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace puts Sheoldred, Whispering One into play from hand. It is now the declare attackers step. yarrunmace taps Kiku, Night's Flower. yarrunmace plays Phyrexian Obliterator from table. yarrunmace puts Phyrexian Obliterator into play from the stack. Haven sets counter life to 7 (-11). It is now the second main phase. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Blinkmoth Nexus. yarrunmace taps Grindstone. Haven puts Beacon of Unrest from the top of his library into graveyard. Haven puts Skeletal Vampire from the top of his library into graveyard. Haven puts Go for the Throat from the top of his library into graveyard. Haven puts Nevinyrral's Disk from the top of his library into graveyard. It is now the ending phase.
It is now Haven's turn.
It is now the untap step. It is now the draw step. Haven draws 1 card(s). It is now the first main phase. Haven puts Swamp into play from hand. It is now the ending phase.
It is now yarrunmace's turn.
It is now the untap step. yarrunmace untaps his permanents. yarrunmace: Pity If you got the disk, you might have recovered It is now the draw step. yarrunmace draws 1 card(s). It is now the first main phase. yarrunmace puts Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth into play from hand. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Swamp. yarrunmace taps Grindstone. Haven puts Strip Mine from the top of his library into graveyard. Haven puts Rune-Scarred Demon from the top of his library into graveyard. It is now the declare attackers step. yarrunmace taps Kiku, Night's Flower. yarrunmace taps Sheoldred, Whispering One. yarrunmace taps Chainer, Dementia Master. yarrunmace taps Eldrazi Conscription. yarrunmace taps Phyrexian Obliterator. yarrunmace sets PT of Phyrexian Obliterator to 5/6. yarrunmace sets PT of Phyrexian Obliterator to 6/6. Haven puts Swamp from table into graveyard. Haven sets counter life to -19 (-26). Haven has conceded the game. yarrunmace: Well then That was Ouch Haven: That was thorough, man. rematch? yarrunmace: Nah Doesn't feel right to do that Haven has loaded a deck (jpil7i5q). yarrunmace: Especially after all my griping about overly-powerful blue decks Besides, I want a break before I go to bed Haven: Ah, alright. Some other time though..
* how useful/important are deck thinning sorts of cards considered? does this depend on what color/colors you're using?
* are there any sorts of general guidelines or formulas for getting a good mana curve?
* how should one go about considering creature abilities when trying to figure out how good it is compared to its mana cost? Like for example if a creature has say Haste, would that be considered worth extra mana compared to a creature with the same power/toughness but without that ability, and if so how much? Would the answer to this question also be color-dependent?
(*some of these questions might have overly long answers, in which case i'd be cool with being pointed towards some sort of resource that explains these things in-depth in lieu of a typed-out response*)
* how useful/important are deck thinning sorts of cards considered? does this depend on what color/colors you're using?
* are there any sorts of general guidelines or formulas for getting a good mana curve?
* how should one go about considering creature abilities when trying to figure out how good it is compared to its mana cost? Like for example if a creature has say Haste, would that be considered worth extra mana compared to a creature with the same power/toughness but without that ability, and if so how much? Would the answer to this question also be color-dependent?
(*some of these questions might have overly long answers, in which case i'd be cool with being pointed towards some sort of resource that explains these things in-depth in lieu of a typed-out response*)
Thanks!
* Looking up deck-thinning on the YGC wiki, I'm guessing it can be split into card draw and tutors (MTG's term for cards that let you look for a specific card in your deck). They're considered useful, especially in the competitive scene, but it definitely depends on what kind of deck you're using. Card draw's most important for Blue decks, since they want to have answers to anything the enemy throws at them, and Tutors are pretty common in every colour except Red.
* There are, but I'm not the one you should be asking about that. Haven't considered mana curves in a while.
* The more abilities a card has, the more expensive it is as compared to a vanilla card of the same size. How much more expensive depends on the ability in question. One-word abilities like vigilance and haste means a little bit more expensive. If it's an ability that you have to tap or pay mana to activate, it'll be a lot more expensive.
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Infect is a good. It seems simple damage is no way to win in EDH. You want an infinite combo, or to drop Rite of Reflection on an infect creature, or something.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
If you use the 10 poison counters rule, then infect's overpowered. General!Skithyryx the Blight Dragon can kill a player twice as quickly as the other generals. But infect isn't mentioned in any official EDH rules.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
Such advanced technology (as if Iron Man wasn't).
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Yes, this would be my fault.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
A gif of someone using Wort the Raidmother in EDH
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
As if Glissa the Traitor wasn't terrifying enough.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
Reports from the latest Justice Friday EDH games.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
That's...like elementary knowledge. Y'know, "All the Mighty Horses"? Right between the ABCs and Multiplication Rap in the school music collection.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
And it was awesome and it helped me learn my time tables, thank you very much.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
What's great is there already was a "mounted" mechanic; flanking, which makes blocking creatures -1/-1 if they didn't have flanking.
So we might have situations where a dude on a horse STILL wouldn't be able to block other dudes on horses, because his horse is "not that kind of horse".
...What if a creature was granted both flanking AND horsemanship? Does this mean he has an ultra-mega horse, or is he riding two horses simultaneously?
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
He is unblockable accept for other people on horses who better also have a second horse or they're at -1/-1.
I wonder what's in front of him.
Probably more horses so he has trample as well.
It's... it's... wonderful.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
This is one Hexproof away from being completely broken.
Which reminds me.
I had to face this in EDH last night. Taking into account the mana curve in EDH and the large number of boardwipes, this was kind of scary.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
The game has started.
It is now yarrunmace's turn.
It is now the untap step.
Haven is looking at his sideboard.
Haven plays Geth, Lord of the Vault from sideboard.
Haven stops looking at his sideboard.
Haven sets counter life to 40 (+20).
yarrunmace: And that deck doesn't really have shennanigans until +8 mana
It is now the draw step.
yarrunmace sets counter life to 40 (+20).
yarrunmace is looking at his sideboard.
yarrunmace plays Chainer, Dementia Master from sideboard.
yarrunmace stops looking at his sideboard.
yarrunmace draws 1 card(s).
yarrunmace draws 1 card(s).
yarrunmace draws 1 card(s).
yarrunmace draws 1 card(s).
yarrunmace draws 1 card(s).
yarrunmace draws 1 card(s).
yarrunmace draws 1 card(s).
Haven draws his initial hand.
yarrunmace puts a card into play from hand.
Haven puts a card into play from hand.
yarrunmace puts a card into play from hand.
Haven puts a card into play from hand.
Haven: ...as much as I want to keep this entire hand, there's the part where it is no mana.
Haven puts a card into play from hand.
yarrunmace draws 1 card(s).
Haven puts a card into play from hand.
Haven puts a card into play from hand.
yarrunmace draws 1 card(s).
Haven moves a card from table to hand.
Haven moves a card from table to hand.
yarrunmace puts a card from table on top of his library.
yarrunmace puts a card from table into his library at position 1.
Haven moves a card from table to hand.
yarrunmace shuffles his library.
Haven puts a card into play from hand.
Haven puts a card into play from hand.
Haven puts a card into play from hand.
Haven draws 1 card(s).
Haven draws 1 card(s).
yarrunmace: Like so?
Haven draws 1 card(s).
Haven draws 1 card(s).
Haven draws 1 card(s).
Haven puts a card from table on top of his library.
Haven puts a card from table into his library at position 1.
Haven puts a card from table into his library at position 2.
Haven puts a card from table into his library at position 3.
Haven puts a card from table into his library at position 4.
Haven shuffles his library.
It is now the first main phase.
Haven puts a card into play from hand.
Haven puts a card into play from hand.
yarrunmace puts Thawing Glaciers into play tapped from hand.
Haven puts a card into play from hand.
It is now the ending phase.
Haven puts a card into play from hand.
Haven draws 1 card(s).
Haven draws 1 card(s).
Haven draws 1 card(s).
Haven puts a card from table on top of his library.
Haven puts a card from table into his library at position 1.
Haven puts a card from table into his library at position 2.
Haven puts a card from table into his library at position 3.
Haven shuffles his library.
Haven: That'll do
It is now Haven's turn.
It is now the untap step.
It is now the upkeep step.
It is now the draw step.
Haven draws 1 card(s).
It is now the first main phase.
Haven puts Swamp into play from hand.
It is now the ending phase.
It is now yarrunmace's turn.
It is now the untap step.
yarrunmace untaps his permanents.
It is now the draw step.
yarrunmace draws 1 card(s).
It is now the first main phase.
yarrunmace puts Swamp into play from hand.
yarrunmace taps Thawing Glaciers.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace is looking at his library.
yarrunmace puts Swamp into play from library.
yarrunmace stops looking at his library.
yarrunmace shuffles his library.
yarrunmace moves Thawing Glaciers from table to hand.
It is now the ending phase.
It is now Haven's turn.
It is now the untap step.
It is now the upkeep step.
It is now the draw step.
Haven draws 1 card(s).
It is now the first main phase.
Haven puts Swamp into play from hand.
It is now the ending phase.
It is now yarrunmace's turn.
It is now the untap step.
yarrunmace untaps his permanents.
It is now the draw step.
yarrunmace draws 1 card(s).
It is now the first main phase.
yarrunmace puts Swamp into play from hand.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace puts Wayfarer's Bauble into play from hand.
It is now the ending phase.
It is now Haven's turn.
It is now the untap step.
It is now the upkeep step.
It is now the draw step.
Haven draws 1 card(s).
It is now the first main phase.
Haven puts Swamp into play from hand.
It is now the ending phase.
It is now yarrunmace's turn.
It is now the untap step.
yarrunmace untaps his permanents.
It is now the draw step.
yarrunmace draws 1 card(s).
It is now the first main phase.
yarrunmace puts Thawing Glaciers into play tapped from hand.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Wayfarer's Bauble.
yarrunmace puts Wayfarer's Bauble from table into graveyard.
yarrunmace is looking at his library.
yarrunmace puts Swamp into play from library.
yarrunmace stops looking at his library.
yarrunmace shuffles his library.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
It is now the ending phase.
It is now Haven's turn.
It is now the untap step.
It is now the upkeep step.
It is now the draw step.
Haven draws 1 card(s).
It is now the first main phase.
Haven puts Swamp into play from hand.
Haven taps Swamp.
Haven taps Swamp.
Haven taps Swamp.
Haven taps Swamp.
Haven puts Phyrexian Obliterator into play from hand.
It is now the ending phase.
It is now yarrunmace's turn.
It is now the untap step.
yarrunmace untaps his permanents.
It is now the draw step.
yarrunmace draws 1 card(s).
It is now the first main phase.
Haven: >:D Of course you can just kill it and take it for your own in that deck...
but hey.
yarrunmace puts Cabal Coffers into play from hand.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Cabal Coffers.
yarrunmace: Okay, so I have 6 mana to work with
yarrunmace puts Kiku, Night's Flower into play from hand.
yarrunmace puts Grindstone into play from hand.
yarrunmace: Hmm
Can't use a tap ability on the first turn
yarrunmace taps Thawing Glaciers.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace puts Thawing Glaciers from table into graveyard.
yarrunmace moves Thawing Glaciers from graveyard to hand.
yarrunmace is looking at his library.
yarrunmace puts Swamp into play from library.
yarrunmace stops looking at his library.
yarrunmace shuffles his library.
Haven: ...O.O Good lord, those are pretty much the worst two cards for me to be staring at right now.
I am impressed.
yarrunmace: Thank you
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Grindstone.
Haven puts Swamp from the top of his library into graveyard.
Haven puts Swamp from the top of his library into graveyard.
Haven: (They're both colorless, so I'm in the clear.)
It is now the ending phase.
It is now Haven's turn.
It is now the untap step.
Haven untaps his permanents.
It is now the upkeep step.
It is now the draw step.
Haven draws 1 card(s).
It is now the first main phase.
It is now the beginning of combat step.
It is now the declare attackers step.
Haven taps Phyrexian Obliterator.
It is now the declare blockers step.
It is now the combat damage step.
yarrunmace sets counter life to 39 (-1).
yarrunmace sets counter life to 38 (-1).
yarrunmace sets counter life to 37 (-1).
yarrunmace sets counter life to 36 (-1).
yarrunmace sets counter life to 35 (-1).
It is now the second main phase.
It is now the ending phase.
It is now yarrunmace's turn.
It is now the untap step.
yarrunmace untaps his permanents.
It is now the draw step.
yarrunmace draws 1 card(s).
It is now the first main phase.
yarrunmace: You know, if you end up being the first person I've legitimately beaten at EDH, I'm going to laugh
yarrunmace puts Blinkmoth Nexus into play from hand.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Cabal Coffers.
yarrunmace sets counter b to 1 (+1).
yarrunmace sets counter b to 2 (+1).
yarrunmace sets counter b to 3 (+1).
yarrunmace sets counter b to 4 (+1).
yarrunmace sets counter b to 5 (+1).
yarrunmace sets counter b to 4 (-1).
yarrunmace sets counter b to 3 (-1).
yarrunmace sets counter b to 2 (-1).
yarrunmace sets counter b to 1 (-1).
yarrunmace taps Kiku, Night's Flower.
yarrunmace points from his Kiku, Night's Flower to Haven's Phyrexian Obliterator.
Haven puts Swamp from table into graveyard.
Haven puts Swamp from table into graveyard.
Haven puts Swamp from table into graveyard.
Haven puts Swamp from table into graveyard.
Haven puts Phyrexian Obliterator from table into graveyard.
Haven: ;.;
yarrunmace: ...
I'm sorry
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Grindstone.
Haven puts Altar of Shadows from the top of his library into graveyard.
Haven puts Doubling Cube from the top of his library into graveyard.
yarrunmace: Wow
How is your luck so good and yet so terrible?
It is now the ending phase.
It is now Haven's turn.
It is now the untap step.
It is now the upkeep step.
It is now the draw step.
Haven draws 1 card(s).
Haven: That is a mystery for the ages.
It is now the first main phase.
Haven puts Swamp into play from hand.
It is now the ending phase.
It is now yarrunmace's turn.
It is now the untap step.
yarrunmace untaps his permanents.
It is now the draw step.
yarrunmace draws 1 card(s).
It is now the first main phase.
Haven: ...did we both just take time out of the match to go talk about that on the trash heap
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Cabal Coffers.
yarrunmace: Yes
Haven: Well, I guess after something like that, it's only appropriate to
talk trash
yarrunmace: You know that big stuff just went down when everybody has to comment on it on their social networking site of choice
And that wasn't trash talk
I feel bad about it
Haven: Haha, dude, it was awesome.
yarrunmace sets counter b to 1 (+1).
Haven: Don't
yarrunmace sets counter b to 2 (+1).
yarrunmace sets counter b to 3 (+1).
yarrunmace sets counter b to 4 (+1).
yarrunmace sets counter b to 5 (+1).
yarrunmace sets counter b to 6 (+1).
yarrunmace sets counter b to 5 (-1).
yarrunmace sets counter b to 4 (-1).
yarrunmace sets counter b to 3 (-1).
yarrunmace sets counter b to 2 (-1).
yarrunmace puts Extraplanar Lens into play from hand.
yarrunmace attaches Extraplanar Lens to yarrunmace's Swamp.
yarrunmace puts Thawing Glaciers into play tapped from hand.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace sets counter b to 1 (-1).
yarrunmace sets counter b to 0 (-1).
yarrunmace puts Eldrazi Conscription into play from hand.
yarrunmace attaches Eldrazi Conscription to yarrunmace's Kiku, Night's Flower.
It is now the declare attackers step.
yarrunmace taps Kiku, Night's Flower.
Haven: ...sweet fancy moses
Haven plays Swamp from table.
Haven puts Swamp from the stack into graveyard.
Haven sets counter life to 30 (-10).
It is now the ending phase.
yarrunmace: Oh my god
Haven: The sad thing is I mulliganed away exactly the card that could've saved me from a situation like this
yarrunmace: What did I just do
Haven sets counter life to 29 (-1).
It is now Haven's turn.
It is now the untap step.
It is now the upkeep step.
It is now the draw step.
Haven draws 1 card(s).
It is now the first main phase.
Haven: Awesome things, that's what.
Haven puts Swamp into play from hand.
It is now the ending phase.
It is now yarrunmace's turn.
It is now the untap step.
yarrunmace untaps his permanents.
It is now the draw step.
yarrunmace draws 1 card(s).
It is now the first main phase.
yarrunmace puts Swamp into play from hand.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace sets counter b to 1 (+1).
yarrunmace sets counter b to 2 (+1).
yarrunmace sets counter b to 3 (+1).
yarrunmace sets counter b to 4 (+1).
yarrunmace sets counter b to 5 (+1).
yarrunmace taps Cabal Coffers.
yarrunmace sets counter b to 4 (-1).
yarrunmace sets counter b to 3 (-1).
yarrunmace sets counter b to 2 (-1).
yarrunmace sets counter b to 1 (-1).
yarrunmace sets counter b to 0 (-1).
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace plays Cabal Conditioning from hand.
Haven puts Mystifying Maze from hand into graveyard.
Haven puts Reaper from the Abyss from hand into graveyard.
Haven puts Enslave from hand into graveyard.
Haven puts Darksteel Forge from hand into graveyard.
Haven puts Withering Boon from hand into graveyard.
Haven puts Journeyer's Kite from hand into graveyard.
yarrunmace puts Cabal Conditioning from the stack into graveyard.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Grindstone.
Haven puts Breeding Pit from the top of his library into graveyard.
Haven puts Beseech the Queen from the top of his library into graveyard.
Haven puts Swamp from the top of his library into graveyard.
Haven puts Expedition Map from the top of his library into graveyard.
It is now the declare attackers step.
yarrunmace taps Kiku, Night's Flower.
Haven sets counter life to 18 (-11).
Haven puts Swamp from table into graveyard.
It is now the ending phase.
It is now Haven's turn.
It is now the untap step.
It is now the upkeep step.
It is now the draw step.
Haven draws 1 card(s).
It is now the first main phase.
It is now the ending phase.
It is now yarrunmace's turn.
It is now the untap step.
yarrunmace untaps his permanents.
It is now the draw step.
yarrunmace draws 1 card(s).
It is now the first main phase.
yarrunmace: Dude, you are awesome
If I was in your place, I probably would have forfeited by now
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace untaps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Grindstone.
Haven puts Zombie Master from the top of his library into graveyard.
Haven puts Maze of Ith from the top of his library into graveyard.
yarrunmace: Ouch
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace puts Chainer, Dementia Master into play from the stack.
yarrunmace taps Blinkmoth Nexus.
yarrunmace moves Thawing Glaciers from table to hand.
yarrunmace is looking at his library.
yarrunmace puts Swamp into play from library.
yarrunmace stops looking at his library.
yarrunmace shuffles his library.
yarrunmace puts Thawing Glaciers into play tapped from hand.
It is now the ending phase.
It is now Haven's turn.
It is now the untap step.
It is now the upkeep step.
It is now the draw step.
Haven draws 1 card(s).
It is now the first main phase.
It is now the ending phase.
It is now yarrunmace's turn.
It is now the untap step.
yarrunmace untaps his permanents.
It is now the draw step.
yarrunmace draws 1 card(s).
It is now the first main phase.
yarrunmace puts Swamp into play from hand.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace sets counter life to 34 (-1).
yarrunmace sets counter life to 33 (-1).
yarrunmace sets counter life to 32 (-1).
yarrunmace: Phyrexian Obliterator
Haven gives yarrunmace control over Phyrexian Obliterator.
yarrunmace: As long as I'm winning, I might as well do it in style
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace puts Sheoldred, Whispering One into play from hand.
It is now the declare attackers step.
yarrunmace taps Kiku, Night's Flower.
yarrunmace plays Phyrexian Obliterator from table.
yarrunmace puts Phyrexian Obliterator into play from the stack.
Haven sets counter life to 7 (-11).
It is now the second main phase.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Blinkmoth Nexus.
yarrunmace taps Grindstone.
Haven puts Beacon of Unrest from the top of his library into graveyard.
Haven puts Skeletal Vampire from the top of his library into graveyard.
Haven puts Go for the Throat from the top of his library into graveyard.
Haven puts Nevinyrral's Disk from the top of his library into graveyard.
It is now the ending phase.
It is now Haven's turn.
It is now the untap step.
It is now the draw step.
Haven draws 1 card(s).
It is now the first main phase.
Haven puts Swamp into play from hand.
It is now the ending phase.
It is now yarrunmace's turn.
It is now the untap step.
yarrunmace untaps his permanents.
yarrunmace: Pity
If you got the disk, you might have recovered
It is now the draw step.
yarrunmace draws 1 card(s).
It is now the first main phase.
yarrunmace puts Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth into play from hand.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Swamp.
yarrunmace taps Grindstone.
Haven puts Strip Mine from the top of his library into graveyard.
Haven puts Rune-Scarred Demon from the top of his library into graveyard.
It is now the declare attackers step.
yarrunmace taps Kiku, Night's Flower.
yarrunmace taps Sheoldred, Whispering One.
yarrunmace taps Chainer, Dementia Master.
yarrunmace taps Eldrazi Conscription.
yarrunmace taps Phyrexian Obliterator.
yarrunmace sets PT of Phyrexian Obliterator to 5/6.
yarrunmace sets PT of Phyrexian Obliterator to 6/6.
Haven puts Swamp from table into graveyard.
Haven sets counter life to -19 (-26).
Haven has conceded the game.
yarrunmace: Well then
That was
Ouch
Haven: That was thorough, man. rematch?
yarrunmace: Nah
Doesn't feel right to do that
Haven has loaded a deck (jpil7i5q).
yarrunmace: Especially after all my griping about overly-powerful blue decks
Besides, I want a break before I go to bed
Haven: Ah, alright. Some other time though..
* how useful/important are deck thinning sorts of cards considered? does this depend on what color/colors you're using?
* are there any sorts of general guidelines or formulas for getting a good mana curve?
* how should one go about considering creature abilities when trying to figure out how good it is compared to its mana cost? Like for example if a creature has say Haste, would that be considered worth extra mana compared to a creature with the same power/toughness but without that ability, and if so how much? Would the answer to this question also be color-dependent?
(*some of these questions might have overly long answers, in which case i'd be cool with being pointed towards some sort of resource that explains these things in-depth in lieu of a typed-out response*)
Thanks!
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead