I'm fine with using the idea that "someone close to the hero has been captured and needs rescuing" but the idea that "heterosexual males would have hang ups about playing a woman rescuing a man" is certainly a stereotype I would not like to propagated.
And I agree. But then it brings up the whole "all female protagonists are overly sexualized" thing.
The concern over running into a negative sterotype because we're avoiding a different sterotype shouldn't be a deterrent from attempting to avoid negative sterotypes in the first place.
More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
Banjo and Kazooie come to mind. Kazooie is probably the only female classic platforming mascot. :) She shares the spotlight with Banjo, but Banjo is basically useless without her. ^_^
I'm fine with using the idea that "someone close to the hero has been captured and needs rescuing" but the idea that "heterosexual males would have hang ups about playing a woman rescuing a man" is certainly a stereotype I would not like to propagated.
And I agree. But then it brings up the whole "all female protagonists are overly sexualized" thing.
The concern over running into a negative sterotype because we're avoiding a different sterotype shouldn't be a deterrent from attempting to avoid negative sterotypes in the first place.
There's a big difference between "the plot device" and "the way the plot device is used," and the fact that Sarkeesian couldn't tell the difference between the two is one of the big problems of the video.
She specifically made that distinction from 12:45 - 13:28.
Even if she hadn't i have no idea where you're getting this. i would be astonished if she couldn't.
Didn't she get, like, ten thousand dollars for this? That's a distinction she has to make. "Damsel in Distress is often a sexist trope" could've been explained in five minutes.
I'm fine with using the idea that "someone close to the hero has been captured and needs rescuing" but the idea that "heterosexual males would have hang ups about playing a woman rescuing a man" is certainly a stereotype I would not like to propagated.
And I agree. But then it brings up the whole "all female protagonists are overly sexualized" thing.
The concern over running into a negative sterotype because we're avoiding a different sterotype shouldn't be a deterrent from attempting to avoid negative sterotypes in the first place.
That wasn't what I was saying.
What where you saying, then? I'm not even sure why you brought it up.
Of course it's a problem in itself, but I'm not sure how it relates to what we're discussing.
I'm fine with using the idea that "someone close to the hero has been captured and needs rescuing" but the idea that "heterosexual males would have hang ups about playing a woman rescuing a man" is certainly a stereotype I would not like to propagated.
And I agree. But then it brings up the whole "all female protagonists are overly sexualized" thing.
The concern over running into a negative sterotype because we're avoiding a different sterotype shouldn't be a deterrent from attempting to avoid negative sterotypes in the first place.
That wasn't what I was saying.
What where you saying, then? I'm not even sure why you brought it up.
Of course it's a problem in itself, but I'm not sure how it relates to what we're discussing.
^^ I.E. distinguishing between the device itself and how it's commonly used, yes.
But she basically said that the device was sexist no matter how it was used, and either way she failed to explain the device any further than "this is bad!"
To be fair for that money she could have gone into more depth.
Not could have, she has to, otherwise she basically just cheated a ton of people out of their money. And she doesn't seem to be considerably more intelligent than the average Tumblr feminist.
True, but that doesn't mean every instance should be condemned, nor that every instance is inherently sexist.
That didn't seem to be what she was saying though? She talked mainly about how prevalent it was, with specific, chiefly highly influential examples.
She only gave a token attempt at saying that it wasn't inherently sexist. The rest of the video was, as Yarrun noted earlier, the TvTropes page for Damsel in Distress with "and that's bad!" after every example.
True, but that doesn't mean every instance should be condemned, nor that every instance is inherently sexist.
That didn't seem to be what she was saying though? She talked mainly about how prevalent it was, with specific, chiefly highly influential examples.
She only gave a token attempt at saying that it wasn't inherently sexist. The rest of the video was, as Yarrun noted earlier, the TvTropes page for Damsel in Distress with "and that's bad!" after every example.
Why are you so bitter about this? It's like you think that she's personally calling you a sexist or something.
True, but that doesn't mean every instance should be condemned, nor that every instance is inherently sexist.
That didn't seem to be what she was saying though? She talked mainly about how prevalent it was, with specific, chiefly highly influential examples.
She only gave a token attempt at saying that it wasn't inherently sexist. The rest of the video was, as Yarrun noted earlier, the TvTropes page for Damsel in Distress with "and that's bad!" after every example.
Why are you so bitter about this? It's like you think that she's personally calling you a sexist or something.
I find it very hard to enjoy things if someone criticizes them.
They exist because of a sexist cultural meme and associated values. Both Zelda and Peach directly reference the damsel-in-distress trope as it appears in mythology and courtly romance, which is what makes them such textbook examples, but all the examples she gave were part of an overall trend of female objectification in the media.
Nobody said the developers were male chauvinists or anything of the kind.
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i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
But it's only part one so i think we can cut her some slack until the second video materializes.
It's not hard to see why it's sexist, anyway. And no matter how it's used, it contributes to the overall trend.
Like i said, i kinda enjoyed the video, honestly. i mean it wasn't that great but i liked it.
That didn't seem to be what she was saying though? She talked mainly about how prevalent it was, with specific, chiefly highly influential examples.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
When i was 10 i wanted super powers and believed Kirlian photography could reveal mystical auras, i'm not judging.
You need a special licence for the job so that's got to be worth something.
That video was pretty mild, but harsh criticism tends to sour my feelings about stuff, so i can somewhat sympathize there.
Nobody said the developers were male chauvinists or anything of the kind.