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is it pronounced "gif" or "gif"

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  • One-Winged EagleOne-Winged Eagle
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    When I first heard it in my head, it was with a hard 'g'. My path was laid out for me long ago.

    Now is the time, the time when hard 'g' and soft 'g' clash. Now is the time that we decide who wins.
  • Princess AlicePrincess Alice
    You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    MachSpeed said:

    Central Avenue said:

    If you're saying it with a hard g and you find out the developers pronounced it with a soft g, switch to a soft g. Otherwise you're being a dick for no reason.

    No.
    Why? What do you have to gain from continuing to use the hard g that's worth disrespecting the creators for?
  • CalicaCalica
    Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    do the creators even really care that much
  • TachyonTachyon
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Central Avenue said:

    MachSpeed said:

    I'm not going out of my way.


    This is my way.
    What does that even mean?

    It's like when I correct people for using "EST" instead of "EDT" after times from March-November. Instead of just saying "oh yeah, you're right, I'll stop doing that" they go all "WELL EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT I MEAN ANYWAYS"

    If you're saying it with a hard g and you find out the developers pronounced it with a soft g, switch to a soft g. Otherwise you're being a dick for no reason.
    Using the word the way everyone i know offline uses it, the way i expect to be understood, the way i have always used it and the way that comes most natural to me, i don't have to stop and process before saying it, it's just intuitive and straightforward to me (whereas the other way isn't) . . . that's "being a dick"?

    Why?

    i have to go eat now but i have more to say on this subject
  • One-Winged EagleOne-Winged Eagle
    edited 2015-12-02 19:00:22
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    If there's an objective reality, we can't perceive without our filters, so it might as well not exist.
  • Princess AlicePrincess Alice
    You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    Calica said:

    do the creators even really care that much

    It doesn't matter. I care. :|


    Tachyon said:

    Central Avenue said:

    MachSpeed said:

    I'm not going out of my way.


    This is my way.
    What does that even mean?

    It's like when I correct people for using "EST" instead of "EDT" after times from March-November. Instead of just saying "oh yeah, you're right, I'll stop doing that" they go all "WELL EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT I MEAN ANYWAYS"

    If you're saying it with a hard g and you find out the developers pronounced it with a soft g, switch to a soft g. Otherwise you're being a dick for no reason.
    Using the word the way everyone i know offline uses it, the way i expect to be understood, the way i have always used it and the way that comes most natural to me, i don't have to stop and process before saying it, it's just intuitive and straightforward to me (whereas the other way isn't) . . . that's "being a dick"?

    Why?

    i have to go eat now but i have more to say on this subject
    Because you're effectively saying to the creator "I know you didn't intend for it to be said this way, but I don't care."
  • Obā-sanObā-san

    why on earth should one care?

    (for the record I pronounce it jif)
  • One-Winged EagleOne-Winged Eagle
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    What makes them worthy of respect?
  • One-Winged EagleOne-Winged Eagle
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Not y'know, basic human respect, this isn't it, this is pronounciation bullshit, which has a special status outside of basic human respect.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    i think it's pronounced "gif"
  • Princess AlicePrincess Alice
    You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    Today is Tomorrow said:

    why on earth should one care?

    (for the record I pronounce it jif)

    I don't know, I just keep thinking...if it was me, and I made some popular thing, and I said "it's called this" but people called it something else no matter how many times I reiterated my point...I'd be pretty damn angry.

    Wouldn't you?
  • Section42LSection42L
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    Central Avenue said:

    Calica said:

    do the creators even really care that much

    It doesn't matter. I care. :|


    Tachyon said:

    Central Avenue said:

    MachSpeed said:

    I'm not going out of my way.


    This is my way.
    What does that even mean?

    It's like when I correct people for using "EST" instead of "EDT" after times from March-November. Instead of just saying "oh yeah, you're right, I'll stop doing that" they go all "WELL EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT I MEAN ANYWAYS"

    If you're saying it with a hard g and you find out the developers pronounced it with a soft g, switch to a soft g. Otherwise you're being a dick for no reason.
    Using the word the way everyone i know offline uses it, the way i expect to be understood, the way i have always used it and the way that comes most natural to me, i don't have to stop and process before saying it, it's just intuitive and straightforward to me (whereas the other way isn't) . . . that's "being a dick"?

    Why?

    i have to go eat now but i have more to say on this subject
    Because you're effectively saying to the creator "I know you didn't intend for it to be said this way, but I don't care."
    ... You just said you don't care about what the creators think, although your entire argument was based around what the creators think.

    You should really rethink your logic.
  • CalicaCalica
    Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    image
  • One-Winged EagleOne-Winged Eagle
    edited 2015-12-02 19:05:06
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    There's no logic in play here. It's emotional projection.

    And no, Central, I wouldn't be upset, because I can't control people, and trying to do so is not useful.
  • TachyonTachyon
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    OK i must go but i'm annoyed now so i just wanna say

    independent of all the theoretical stuff

    you know i have difficulty adopting new terms into my vocabulary, i've told you this before and you responded

    fair if you forgot but i'm reminding you now in that case

    even if i know something will be considered wrong, like i say 'lunch' for 'tea' and vice versa, i HATE being corrected on that, but i never remember before i say it

    apparently this makes me a dick

    alright, i guess it's good to know you feel that way, thanks
  • CalicaCalica
    Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    the equivalent to "elmer season", of course, is a treatise on descriptive linguistics
  • FossilmaidenFossilmaiden
    edited 2015-12-02 19:07:00
    image Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.
    Due to my accent, I commonly drop hs from the start of words. Am I disrespecting the origin of these words by doing so?
  • CalicaCalica
    Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    pronounce everything as the proto-indo-europeans did or you're disrespecting them i guess
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Fossilmaiden said:

    Due to my accent, I commonly drop hs from tbe start of words. Am I disrespecting the origin of these words by doing so?

    I'LL HAVE YOU A HERB-TASTING DUEL ON MY HONOR
  • CalicaCalica
    Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    there was a period of time in which i was resentful of speaking a language which went through the great vowel shift, english's vowels are fucked up compared to everyone else's
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    MachSpeed said:

    If there's an objective reality, we can't perceive without our filters, so it might as well not exist.

    It still exists as it's possible to approach it with better estimations.
  • glennmagusharveyglennmagusharvey
    Calica said:

    there was a period of time in which i was resentful of speaking a language which went through the great vowel shift, english's vowels are fucked up compared to everyone else's

    fuck the schwa
  • FossilmaidenFossilmaiden
    image Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.
    glennmagusharvey said:

    Fossilmaiden said:

    Due to my accent, I commonly drop hs from tbe start of words. Am I disrespecting the origin of these words by doing so?

    I'LL HAVE YOU A HERB-TASTING DUEL ON MY HONOR
    Herb is actually a word that is never H-dropped over here. :P
  • CalicaCalica
    Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    glennmagusharvey said:

    Calica said:

    there was a period of time in which i was resentful of speaking a language which went through the great vowel shift, english's vowels are fucked up compared to everyone else's

    fuck the schwa
    fuck the "long a"
  • Princess AlicePrincess Alice
    You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    I just don't get why it has to be a big deal.

    You will expend almost zero effort by switching to the pronunciation the creator chose, so why not just do it?

    Why do you have to insist on continuing to say it wrong once you know better? What do you gain from that?
  • One-Winged EagleOne-Winged Eagle
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    I didn't say, "we can't perceive it without our filters." I said "we can't perceive without our filters." What we sense and understand is always filtered. Our input, processing, conclusions, output; all filtered. 
  • One-Winged EagleOne-Winged Eagle
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    It's actually a lot of effort, and I'm not wrong.
  • Princess AlicePrincess Alice
    You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    MachSpeed said:

    It's actually a lot of effort, and I'm not wrong.

    Now you're just being contrary for the sake of being contrary.

    How is it "a lot of effort" to switch one sound in a one-syllable word you probably don't even say aloud all that often?

    And, yes, you are wrong, because the creator disagrees with you.
  • Princess AlicePrincess Alice
    You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    This is just starting to sound like fucking nonsense to me.

    "I say it with a hard g."

    "Well, that's wrong. The creator says it with a soft g."

    "THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME WRONG!!"

    like jesus fuck how can you people actually get through life if you think like that

    if you write someone's name as Marissa and she tells you her name only has one s do you say "well i'm not wrong because this is subjective!!"??
  • CalicaCalica
    Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    Central Avenue said:

    MachSpeed said:

    It's actually a lot of effort, and I'm not wrong.

    Now you're just being contrary for the sake of being contrary.

    How is it "a lot of effort" to switch one sound in a one-syllable word you probably don't even say aloud all that often?

    And, yes, you are wrong, because the creator disagrees with you.
    you did see tachy's posts about how this sort of thing actually is really difficult for them, right?
  • FossilmaidenFossilmaiden
    image Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.
    Mary married a merry little cherry.
  • EpitomeEpitome
    meow meow meowtherfuckers
    I just remember every time I pronounced it with a soft g in high school people would give me shit for it and I just switched to hard g so that nerds that care too much about stupid shit wouldn't bug me every time I say a simple word. Well, LOOK AT ME NOW, HARD G PEONS.
  • TachyonTachyon
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    It's not that it's a lot of effort it's that i literally CAN'T

    not dropping my 'h's is another one that gives me trouble, i wouldn't be able to communicate verbally AT ALL if you were asking me to NEVER get that wrong
  • Obā-sanObā-san

    Central Avenue said:

    This is just starting to sound like fucking nonsense to me.


    "I say it with a hard g."

    "Well, that's wrong. The creator says it with a soft g."

    "THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME WRONG!!"

    like jesus fuck how can you people actually get through life if you think like that
    with the utmost of ease?
  • One-Winged EagleOne-Winged Eagle
    edited 2015-12-02 19:16:07
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Because it's in my head. There are lots of things in my head. Hard to untangle.

    And so what if they're the creator? It doesn't matter. I'm right because of my argument, and my argument is this: the hard 'g' is better because it rhymes with "gift," which is better than peanut butter.
  • Princess AlicePrincess Alice
    You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    Today is Tomorrow said:

    Central Avenue said:

    This is just starting to sound like fucking nonsense to me.


    "I say it with a hard g."

    "Well, that's wrong. The creator says it with a soft g."

    "THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME WRONG!!"

    like jesus fuck how can you people actually get through life if you think like that
    with the utmost of ease?
    So am I "not wrong" if I insist your name is pronounced like "Emily"?

    Or is that something you get to decide for yourself
  • TachyonTachyon
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    and i apologize for my outburst up there but i was already kinda pissed off because like, ok, i don't know a whole lot, but this is something i HAVE studied, and apparently that doesn't mean anything, apparently you can dismiss me offhand and insult the vast majority of people in the field i studied because you happen to feel differently

    i wouldn't even mind THAT so much but me and Mach Speed repeatedly gave you explanations of why the theory is the way it is and you straight up IGNORED us every time!
  • One-Winged EagleOne-Winged Eagle
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Getting people's names right is basic human respect.

    As I said, this is not that. This shit has a special status that is not covered by basic respect.
  • FossilmaidenFossilmaiden
    image Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.
    Central Avenue said:

    Today is Tomorrow said:

    Central Avenue said:

    This is just starting to sound like fucking nonsense to me.


    "I say it with a hard g."

    "Well, that's wrong. The creator says it with a soft g."

    "THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME WRONG!!"

    like jesus fuck how can you people actually get through life if you think like that
    with the utmost of ease?
    So am I "not wrong" if I insist your name is pronounced like "Emily"?

    Or is that something you get to decide for yourself
    Are you seriously bringing identity politics into this?

  • Princess AlicePrincess Alice
    You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    MachSpeed said:

    This shit has a special status that is not covered by basic respect.
    [citation needed]


    Tachyon said:

    and i apologize for my outburst up there but i was already kinda pissed off because like, ok, i don't know a whole lot, but this is something i HAVE studied, and apparently that doesn't mean anything, apparently you can dismiss me offhand and insult the vast majority of people in the field i studied because you happen to feel differently

    i wouldn't even mind THAT so much but me and Mach Speed repeatedly gave you explanations of why the theory is the way it is and you straight up IGNORED us every time!

    I don't even know anymore...like, I understand what you guys are saying about why the theory is the way it is, but I don't know if I'm ready to accept that works don't have an objectively correct meaning. Because, if I accept that, it implies nothing is objective, and so I don't really know anything. The sky is blue. Is the sky blue? How can I know that objectively?
  • TachyonTachyon
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Central Avenue said:

    Today is Tomorrow said:

    Central Avenue said:

    This is just starting to sound like fucking nonsense to me.


    "I say it with a hard g."

    "Well, that's wrong. The creator says it with a soft g."

    "THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME WRONG!!"

    like jesus fuck how can you people actually get through life if you think like that
    with the utmost of ease?
    So am I "not wrong" if I insist your name is pronounced like "Emily"?

    Or is that something you get to decide for yourself
    nobody would know who you meant

    we might think you were referring to Toolsie

    also that particular example is tangled up with personal identity, to say nothing of gender, so it's not at all equivalent

    getting people's names right is just basic manners, and for some reason you're generalizing that to all interpretation because..?
  • One-Winged EagleOne-Winged Eagle
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    The thing we call the sky is also a thing that we call blue.

    It's a shortcut. It's all shortcuts.
  • TachyonTachyon
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i mean you could talk about wavelengths.  You could talk about how the eye works, you could talk about how brains work.  You could talk about language.

    "The sky is blue" is a simple statement, as statements go, but when you stop to analyze the meaning of it it's actually rather complicated.
  • One-Winged EagleOne-Winged Eagle
    edited 2015-12-02 19:26:09
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    I'm slightly colorblind. I misinterpret colors because of the cones in my eyes.

    If the closest thing to an objective reality is that which everyone agrees on, then it's something I cannot experience.
  • Obā-sanObā-san
    edited 2015-12-02 19:26:09

    there are so many ways to pronounce my name, and I'm cool with all of them

    ay-meal

    ee-meal

    Emil

    but "Emily" would be a whole different word, akin to pronouncing "gif" as "stegosaurus"
  • FossilmaidenFossilmaiden
    image Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.
    I propose we start pronouncing gif as stegosaurus.
  • Princess AlicePrincess Alice
    You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    I don't know.

    I'm angry and I don't even really understand why.

    It's clear I'm not actually going to get through to you about why using the hard g is Hurtful and Harmful, so I don't know why I'm even bothering to continue this conversation.
  • One-Winged EagleOne-Winged Eagle
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Aside from you, who does it actually hurt? Who does it actually harm?
  • Princess AlicePrincess Alice
    You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    Why does there need to be an "aside from me"? Why don't my feelings matter?
  • FossilmaidenFossilmaiden
    image Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.
    On the other side of the coin: Why should only your feelings matter?
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