I disagree because the Oscars's history of naming movies with a big cinematic gimmick Best Picture is pretty well known? I honestly don't know what else I can say here, the idea that people retroactively called it Oscar bait is just absurd to me and it strikes me as a disingenuous assertion on Myr's part.
Like I could not for the life of me explain what Myr's opinion on the movie itself is, beyond knowing that he probably likes it. But I absolutely know that he likes the *idea* of a film taking potshots at superhero movies, and I know he thinks that it's been retroactively hated by the nerd press because of some convoluted nerd reason.
I have no idea what I could possibly contend with there; it's just pretenses stacked on pretenses without any real discussion of Birdman, or even really an examination of the reaction to it/its impact beyond Myr just being vaguely discontent.
Nerd press doesn't talk about Birdman much, and the hate was just a subdued thing that barely outlasted the Oscars
Distaste can be increased after a major win but I... really doubt anyone's opinion on a film would completely reverse after a Best Picture win? That just doesn't make any sense to me.
no but people who were otherwise mum on the subject might decide to speak up after it won, which could create the illusion of people on the whole suddenly changing opinions.
I was overly affectionate with sredni and then I ate some food and watched people play dnd
did they slay the dragon
they fought a genuinely disturbing silent hill creature and the bard tried to insult it and ended up being a misogynistic asshole because he always is and then the whole party got mad at him and so the bard tried to pin his behavior on the monster "being a chauvinist" and then the beloved bear animal companion almost died and there were "this is a grizzly situation" puns and yeah
Distaste can be increased after a major win but I... really doubt anyone's opinion on a film would completely reverse after a Best Picture win? That just doesn't make any sense to me.
I don't really think it was the same people expressing the two opinions. The win understandably changed who felt like being loud.
There's also American Sniper, which got a nomination because anything Clint Eastwood directs is automatically guaranteed a nomination nowadays, but which nobody seriously thought would win other than right-wing pundits.
A lot of more left-leaning critics really liked it, too, and I think most people agreed that it did a good job of painting this difficult, complicated person in a fair light that neither entirely glamourised nor demonised him by just showing him as someone who, right or wrong, thought that he was doing his job and that his job was important.
idk I remember a lot of people being pretty upset that literally every muslim in the film is a terrorist
I dunno. Most of what I heard suggests it's basically a chamber piece about someone who just plain did not interact with Muslims outside of hostile contexts and was probably a racist on some level, and whose experiences arguably made him a worse person—which, I am told, the film does not shy away from.
Presenting a perspective without adornment does not indicate sympathy with the perspective. It simply indicates that you find the person with the perspective interesting enough to follow around.
There's also American Sniper, which got a nomination because anything Clint Eastwood directs is automatically guaranteed a nomination nowadays, but which nobody seriously thought would win other than right-wing pundits.
A lot of more left-leaning critics really liked it, too, and I think most people agreed that it did a good job of painting this difficult, complicated person in a fair light that neither entirely glamourised nor demonised him by just showing him as someone who, right or wrong, thought that he was doing his job and that his job was important.
this is literally the first time I have heard American Sniper described as anything other than a propaganda film.
So OK tangential from this conversation I am actually now looking at the stuff that was nominated for Grammys this past awards and what the actual heck.
"Back To Back" by Drake? Not even "Hotline Bling" which was everywhere, or "Charged Up" which people like, but "Back To Back"?
And "All Day" which is like a profoundly OK Kanye song.
"Trap Queen" deserves to be on there, and "Alright" by Kendrick won, which is about right. There's also a J. Cole song and "Truffle Butter" by Nicki on here, which are at least good songs, but hardly the epitome of hip-hop this past year.
Distaste can be increased after a major win but I... really doubt anyone's opinion on a film would completely reverse after a Best Picture win? That just doesn't make any sense to me.
I don't really think it was the same people expressing the two opinions. The win understandably changed who felt like being loud.
There's also American Sniper, which got a nomination because anything Clint Eastwood directs is automatically guaranteed a nomination nowadays, but which nobody seriously thought would win other than right-wing pundits.
A lot of more left-leaning critics really liked it, too, and I think most people agreed that it did a good job of painting this difficult, complicated person in a fair light that neither entirely glamourised nor demonised him by just showing him as someone who, right or wrong, thought that he was doing his job and that his job was important.
idk I remember a lot of people being pretty upset that literally every muslim in the film is a terrorist
I dunno. Most of what I heard suggests it's basically a chamber piece about someone who just plain did not interact with Muslims outside of hostile contexts and was probably a racist on some level, and whose experiences arguably made him a worse person—which, I a told, the film does not shy away from.
Presenting a perspective without adornment does not indicate sympathy with the perspective. It simply indicates that you find the person with the perspective interesting enough to follow around.
There's also American Sniper, which got a nomination because anything Clint Eastwood directs is automatically guaranteed a nomination nowadays, but which nobody seriously thought would win other than right-wing pundits.
A lot of more left-leaning critics really liked it, too, and I think most people agreed that it did a good job of painting this difficult, complicated person in a fair light that neither entirely glamourised nor demonised him by just showing him as someone who, right or wrong, thought that he was doing his job and that his job was important.
this is literally the first time I have heard American Sniper described as anything other than a propaganda film.
See above.
that makes sense on a surface level but Clint Eastwood is like super right-wing.
This is perhaps a case where knowing more about the artist actually makes the art less enjoyable. In any case though, I haven't seen the film, and do not plan to.
I was overly affectionate with sredni and then I ate some food and watched people play dnd
did they slay the dragon
they fought a genuinely disturbing silent hill creature and the bard tried to insult it and ended up being a misogynistic asshole because he always is and then the whole party got mad at him and so the bard tried to pin his behavior on the monster "being a chauvinist" and then the beloved bear animal companion almost died and there were "this is a grizzly situation" puns and yeah
Scanlan the bard is the best Critical Role character because he absolutely nails the "guy who thinks he's hot with the ladies but is just a sleeze with no sex appeal" thing and also every time he uses his bard abilities he butchers a pop song to do so
so you get the whole party clapping along IRL while he heals the mind flayer theyve teamed up with with a supremely awkward reinterpretation of Marvin Gaye's Sexual Healing
Distaste can be increased after a major win but I... really doubt anyone's opinion on a film would completely reverse after a Best Picture win? That just doesn't make any sense to me.
I don't really think it was the same people expressing the two opinions. The win understandably changed who felt like being loud.
There's also American Sniper, which got a nomination because anything Clint Eastwood directs is automatically guaranteed a nomination nowadays, but which nobody seriously thought would win other than right-wing pundits.
A lot of more left-leaning critics really liked it, too, and I think most people agreed that it did a good job of painting this difficult, complicated person in a fair light that neither entirely glamourised nor demonised him by just showing him as someone who, right or wrong, thought that he was doing his job and that his job was important.
idk I remember a lot of people being pretty upset that literally every muslim in the film is a terrorist
I dunno. Most of what I heard suggests it's basically a chamber piece about someone who just plain did not interact with Muslims outside of hostile contexts and was probably a racist on some level, and whose experiences arguably made him a worse person—which, I a told, the film does not shy away from.
Presenting a perspective without adornment does not indicate sympathy with the perspective. It simply indicates that you find the person with the perspective interesting enough to follow around.
There's also American Sniper, which got a nomination because anything Clint Eastwood directs is automatically guaranteed a nomination nowadays, but which nobody seriously thought would win other than right-wing pundits.
A lot of more left-leaning critics really liked it, too, and I think most people agreed that it did a good job of painting this difficult, complicated person in a fair light that neither entirely glamourised nor demonised him by just showing him as someone who, right or wrong, thought that he was doing his job and that his job was important.
this is literally the first time I have heard American Sniper described as anything other than a propaganda film.
See above.
that makes sense on a surface level but Clint Eastwood is like super right-wing.
This is perhaps a case where knowing more about the artist actually makes the art less enjoyable. In any case though, I haven't seen the film, and do not plan to.
Ehhhh, Eastwood isn't that simple. He's against the Iraq War, and while he may think the guy was a hero, I think he's smart enough to realise that there's a lot of grey there, and again, my sources indicate that the script changes as it goes on, with the implication that the protagonist is suffering from untreated PTSD and unable to cope with the fact that the war he was fighting in began under false pretences.
I dunno. The reason I'm not going to watch it is not that I think it's probably not something I'd enjoy (although I am like 95% sure I wouldn't), but rather because that would require me to sit down and view a film of my own volition, which we all know is impossible.
I just wanted to clarify that not watching it or assuming it's propaganda because Clint Eastwood is right-wing seems misguided to me, partly because how the other side looks at things can be informative, and partly because Clint Eastwood's politics aren't really conventionally conservative at all, particularly when it comes to the military.
I hope I can leave soon, I like the library and all but my back is startin to hurt from sitting in this tiny wooden chair they have at the computer table.
Also we're apparently doing something for my birthday tonight but I don't know what.
Unrelated, I actually really want that Slim Shady LP cassette reissue despite not being a huge Em fan, is this what it's like to be a hipster?
I guess I could actually like go and look for a book to check out but I haven't actually sat down and read a novel in ages so I'm not sure where I'd start.
idk they seem to want me to get off the computer, they're funny about that sort of thing here.
I'm reading about Clint Eastwood now and I am experiencing mad respect. Endorsing John McCain was a terrible idea, but, like, he does everything—acts, directs, writes films, composes and performs music in multiple genres, was the mayor of a small seaside town—and he's actually really intelligent and more than a bit weird. Even the chair thing makes sense in retrospect, even if everyone, including him, thinks he completely fucked it up.
I'm reading about Clint Eastwood now and I am experiencing mad respect. Endorsing John McCain was a terrible idea, but, like, he does everything—acts, directs, writes films, composes and performs music in multiple genres, was the mayor of a small seaside town—and he's actually really intelligent and more than a bit weird. Even the chair thing makes sense in retrospect, even if everyone, including him, thinks he completely fucked it up.
Oddly enough, he has the same sort of political philosophy that you would expect the The Man With No Name to have if he gave any serious thought towards politics.
He can also be forgiven on the McCain endorsement since McCain seemed like a perfectly respectable politician before he sold his soul in 2008.
There's no excuse for his Romney endorsement, unfortunately.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
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It's true, though. A lot of people were truly pissed about that. Not surprised about these things.
I am still there and don't want to accidentally click on any of the nsfw category threads.
I was overly affectionate with sredni and then I ate some food and watched people play dnd
"Trap Queen" deserves to be on there, and "Alright" by Kendrick won, which is about right. There's also a J. Cole song and "Truffle Butter" by Nicki on here, which are at least good songs, but hardly the epitome of hip-hop this past year.
so you get the whole party clapping along IRL while he heals the mind flayer theyve teamed up with with a supremely awkward reinterpretation of Marvin Gaye's Sexual Healing
At least I think it's a alien baby. It's got the alien skin, but I won't tell until it grows into a toddler.
Four hour flight!
He can also be forgiven on the McCain endorsement since McCain seemed like a perfectly respectable politician before he sold his soul in 2008.
There's no excuse for his Romney endorsement, unfortunately.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead