The Trash Heap of the Heapers' Hangout

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  • My sister is dragging me to a dress shop soon. Bridesmaid duties, yo!
  • i was going with 'princess alice is special doggo because princesses are inherently special' but anonus is a p good fit actually
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Tachyon said:

    Y'know i don't think Penn and Teller should have been debunking political theories or environmental science OR religions and pseudoscience

    surely the point in having magicians do this stuff is to have them show up fraudsters (regardless of ideology or purpose) by exposing their use of the same sleight of hand tricks that magicians use?

    If there's one thing /r/atheists cannot do, it's limiting themselves to the job at hand.
  • image Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.
    I, Eggman.
    I, Robotnik.
    I, Vo.
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Boy, this 'selling t-shirts with T.S. 1989 on them in China' dealie sure is fucking stupid.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    I miss being able to talk about my feelings, instead of just internalizing them for some eternally upcoming meeting with a psychiatrist who I will see for fifteen minutes, who will then schedule a therapist who I will drive an hour to see each way and talk to for thirty minutes a month.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Odradek said:

    I miss being able to talk about my feelings, instead of just internalizing them for some eternally upcoming meeting with a psychiatrist who I will see for fifteen minutes, who will then schedule a therapist who I will drive an hour to see each way and talk to for thirty minutes a month.

    It's cool though, because time is unlimited, and it's totally going to produce semi-useful results once I've finally hit the bullseye while blindfolded, and 50 years from now, I will be living a semi-tolerable life.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    MachSpeed said:

    Boy, this 'selling t-shirts with T.S. 1989 on them in China' dealie sure is fucking stupid.

    i'm guessing it was an unfortunate oversight, rather than a deliberate statement
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Odradek said:

    Odradek said:

    I miss being able to talk about my feelings, instead of just internalizing them for some eternally upcoming meeting with a psychiatrist who I will see for fifteen minutes, who will then schedule a therapist who I will drive an hour to see each way and talk to for thirty minutes a month.

    It's cool though, because time is unlimited, and it's totally going to produce semi-useful results once I've finally hit the bullseye while blindfolded, and 50 years from now, I will be living a semi-tolerable life.
    Are you keeping a journal?
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    It's an unfortunate oversight, the words mean nothing to anyone who isn't an English speaker, we don't even think in Latin alphabets, it will have absolutely no effect, and the PRC government would not allow it if they thought it had a chance in being subversive.
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    i think most westerners are very ignorant of the histories of other countries

    myself included tbh
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Eh
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Maybe I can sell my journal as a six-volume opus entitled My Battle.

    Probably not enough shitting to impress the literati, though.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i think a journal would help.

    Be better than keeping things pent up.

    Up to you though.
  • edited 2015-07-25 16:30:16
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Like, did these people honestly think we say "Tiananmen Square" to each other? That we'd regularly use three Chinese words and one English one in everyday parlance?

    Because we don't. We say "Tiananmen Guangchang." That's five Chinese words.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    That is silly.

    Perhaps the assumption is that everyone speaks English.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    What is the literal English meaning of Tiananmen Guangchang?
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Tian means heaven, I think.
  • edited 2015-07-25 16:37:27
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Heaven Peace Gate Plaza.

    It's the gate to the Forbidden City. A gate, I should say.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    Tachyon said:

    surely the point in having magicians do this stuff is to have them show up fraudsters (regardless of ideology or purpose) by exposing their use of the same sleight of hand tricks that magicians use?

    I always figured the idea, at least for people like Houdini or Randi, was to expose people who use trickery to prey on others instead of for entertainment--e.g., Randi exposnig Peter Popoff, who to this day is still taking money from desperate people.

    Where Penn & Teller overstepped that, IMO, is that they had to go and use their show as a platform for their political ideology as well...
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    The skeptic movement is stooges to the oligarchs.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch

    Tachyon said:

    surely the point in having magicians do this stuff is to have them show up fraudsters (regardless of ideology or purpose) by exposing their use of the same sleight of hand tricks that magicians use?

    I always figured the idea, at least for people like Houdini or Randi, was to expose people who use trickery to prey on others instead of for entertainment--e.g., Randi exposnig Peter Popoff, who to this day is still taking money from desperate people.

    Where Penn & Teller overstepped that, IMO, is that they had to go and use their show as a platform for their political ideology as well...
    P much

    And you can use chicanery to con someone into joining a religious movement or buying into homeopathy, and that's within their remit i think.

    But it's not trickery to just think something that Penn and Teller don't.
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    Tachyon said:

    Tachyon said:

    surely the point in having magicians do this stuff is to have them show up fraudsters (regardless of ideology or purpose) by exposing their use of the same sleight of hand tricks that magicians use?

    I always figured the idea, at least for people like Houdini or Randi, was to expose people who use trickery to prey on others instead of for entertainment--e.g., Randi exposnig Peter Popoff, who to this day is still taking money from desperate people.

    Where Penn & Teller overstepped that, IMO, is that they had to go and use their show as a platform for their political ideology as well...
    P much

    And you can use chicanery to con someone into joining a religious movement or buying into homeopathy, and that's within their remit i think.

    But it's not trickery to just think something that Penn and Teller don't.
    What about stuff like conspiracy theories, which don't necessarily harm the people who believe in them, but geniunely coarsen public discourse?

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    Well i suppose it's good to see those debunked.

    But once you start widening the net you're opening up to these murkier ideological areas.
  • edited 2015-07-25 16:53:43
    Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    Odradek said:

    The skeptic movement is stooges to the oligarchs.

    -Jim Carrey, talking about vaccines
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i think anti-vaxxers see themselves as sceptics, conversely.

    But yes ok that was worth debunking.
  • edited 2015-07-25 16:59:27
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    Tachyon said:

    Well i suppose it's good to see those debunked.

    But once you start widening the net you're opening up to these murkier ideological areas.

    Yeah, I can agree with that.

    There is still a lot of bullshit in the U.S. that falls into those areas that could stand to be debunked by a show like Penn & Teller's, though.

    Of course, they ultimately added to that bullshit rather than took away from it. I still find that a real shame, considering how much I still like their general personas.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Calica said:

    Odradek said:

    The skeptic movement is stooges to the oligarchs.

    -Jim Carrey, talking about vaccines
    You have a point
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Like obviously i'm not saying here that conspiracy theories (or even religions) can't ever be criticized.

    Just that stepping outside their original remit was what led to them attempting to debunk social justice movements, global warming, conservation, etc.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Sometimes it feels like everything has to be all or nothing here.

    Like i suppose what i said would entail a fairly drastic change and some of the good material would be thrown out with the bad.

    But i don't think they're necessarily the best people to be debunking conspiracy theories and whatnot, i'd say let them expose parlour tricks and leave the more complex issues to people with a more nuanced understanding of them.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i'm annoyed, actually.

    This
    Calica said:

    Odradek said:

    The skeptic movement is stooges to the oligarchs.

    -Jim Carrey, talking about vaccines
    was below the belt, and obviously not what we were talking about.
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    oh, did I annoy you there?

    I apologize. I dislike the "all or nothing" mentality around here, too.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Not you, you raised a fair point and you're not wrong.
  • edited 2015-07-25 17:14:53
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Like i said i'd just sooner leave that to people capable of approaching stuff with a bit more nuance than i see from P&T.
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    Yeah, you're not wrong there either.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    "Well, he'll be thoroughly disgusted, try taking apart the mouse you've used every day for students."
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    "Also, I seem to be developing a cold, which is almost 3 years old but I still awake?"

    3 years of almost-a-cold.  Poor robot.
  • !!!!! the 2015 international cat video festival is on August 12th!!!
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    Tachyon said:

    "Also, I seem to be developing a cold, which is almost 3 years old but I still awake?"

    3 years of almost-a-cold.  Poor robot.

    I wouldn't feel too sorry for her
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Shit CA, you've created Skynet.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
  • There will always be manipulators to root out, they get there through whatever means they want. they are literally like weeds in that sense.


  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Lee tried to call her out for her rampage.

    She pretended to think he was persecuting her for liking police cars.

    This is a smart and devious robot.
  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    Also, when @Crystal tried to call her out for her rampage, she claimed it was all a joke.
  • I have had a bit of a day, complete with a health scare

    I am OKish now I think.
  • wearing an inappropriately sparkly tshirt
  • ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah what is this short sleeves I am dressed like a prostetute(sp?)!

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