The Trash Heap of the Heapers' Hangout

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  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Jacques attack
  • edited 2015-07-14 02:30:39
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    Besides, He**ephant and Wailord would stop me killing everyone.
  • edited 2015-07-14 02:31:08
    My dreams exceed my real life
    If I was a radical Leftist thinker, and the New York Times ran a hostile obituary of me, I would be pleased if I wasn't dead.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Odradek said:

    Derridians: Derrida is engaged in a radical project that challenges the foundations of western thought and rationality.


    Anti-Derridians: *react badly*

    Derridians: I, for one, do not understand why anyone could be offended or worried about this
    This is a fair point.

    IME, though, the 'reacting badly' tends to involve dismissing Derrida as a hack and people who take him seriously as gullible.  The concern is not that there might be any substance to his claims, the concern is that other people might take the claims seriously, so mockery is deployed in lieu of serious discussion.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Tachyon said:

    Odradek said:

    Derridians: Derrida is engaged in a radical project that challenges the foundations of western thought and rationality.


    Anti-Derridians: *react badly*

    Derridians: I, for one, do not understand why anyone could be offended or worried about this
    This is a fair point.

    IME, though, the 'reacting badly' tends to involve dismissing Derrida as a hack and people who take him seriously as gullible.  The concern is not that there might be any substance to his claims, the concern is that other people might take the claims seriously, so mockery is deployed in lieu of serious discussion.
    Sure, but still.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    I mean you can defend Derrida, but you don't have to act so surprised.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i think people tended to be a lot more hostile to him when he was talking about philosophy than when he was talking about politics, funnily enough.
  • Wailord doesn't really try to defend the world anymore.

    He has his kingdom and his domains and he monitors them and takes care of the flowers. 
  • ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    Destroying the primordial ooze would kill Wailord.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Odradek said:

    I mean you can defend Derrida, but you don't have to act so surprised.

    Within certain humanities departments, Derrida's claims are treated as rather basic, not so much that you'd be daft to disagree but enough that disagreeing is seen as a fairly ambitious undertaking.

    When you're accustomed to poststructuralist thought, it can be rather jarring to encounter people to whom deconstruction is not only not evident, but disturbing or ridiculous.
  • i already made your grime joke

    boom #ontopofit
  • derrida sure looks cool, therefore he is probably right
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Yeah, the same thing happens all over.

    It's not like Modal Realism or Radical Translation is not weird as fuck, Analytics.
  • I keep seeing cool as fuck gifsets of Soul Eater and trying to watch the first few episodes and then just choking on them
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    naney said:

    derrida sure looks cool, therefore he is probably right

    He has good hair
  • ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    image
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Aliroz said:

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    Realtalk, Christ Myth Theory is basically equivalent to 9/11 trutherism.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i used to see ads promoting Christ myth theory on TVT, and they sure did look conspiracy theory-ish.

    Click this and learn the shocking truth, that's what they seemed to want to say.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Tachyon said:

    i used to see ads promoting Christ myth theory on TVT, and they sure did look conspiracy theory-ish.

    Click this and learn the shocking truth, that's what they seemed to want to say.

    Hey guys let's apply a standard of historiography literally nobody applies to anything else ever and use it to pwn faithtards
  • edited 2015-07-14 03:02:00
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Come to think of it, these people would probably be quite shocked to learn that much of the history they take for granted really isn't cemented in anything approaching the kind of certainty you have in math or physics.  Assuming they know much history at all, i mean.  You just don't have that kind of data on stuff that happened so far in the past.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Relatedly i've noticed Sokaloids tend to be much more positive towards history, or at least more accepting of it as a serious field, than they are with the rest of the humanities, despite the not hugely dissimilar methodology involved.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Nu-atheists have been forced to assume Socrates also does not exist. People used that as a counterexample enough that it's a bullet they'll bite.

    Soon they'll have to assume Hannibal didn't exist. After that is Holocaust denial.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i think you'd find more of them are willing to accept Holocaust denial than are willing to question ancient history.
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    All men are mortal.

    Socrates is mortal.

    Therefore, all men are Socrates.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    This react video makes me feel quite sad.

    Warning - Aliroz, i do not recommend watching this!  It will probably make you angry.

    Spoiler:

  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    encyclopedias were my childhood, man

    or a big part of it, anyway
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    When have teenagers ever reacted positively to encyclopedias?
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    All men are mortal.

    Socrates is mortal.

    Therefore, all men are Socrates.
    IVAN ILYCH SAW that he was dying, and he was in continual
    despair.

     In the depth of his heart he knew he was dying, but not
    only was he not accustomed to the thought, he simply did
    not and could not grasp it. 

    The syllogism he had learnt from Kiesewetter’s Logic:
    “Caius is a man, men are mortal, therefore Caius is mortal,”
    had always seemed to him correct as applied to Caius, butcertainly not as applied to himself. That Caius — man in the
    abstract — was mortal, was perfectly correct, but he was not
    Caius, not an abstract man, but a creature quite, quite separate
    from all others. He had been little Vanya, with a mamma
    and a papa, with Mitya and Volodya, with the toys, a coachman
    and a nurse, afterwards with Katenka and will all the
    joys, griefs, and delights of childhood, boyhood, and youth.
    What did Caius know of the smell of that striped leather ball
    Vanya had been so fond of? Had Caius kissed his mother’s
    hand like that, and did the silk of her dress rustle so for Caius?
    Had he rioted like that at school when the pastry was bad?
    Had Caius been in love like that? Could Caius preside at a
    session as he did? “Caius really was mortal, and it was right
    for him to die; but for me, little Vanya, Ivan Ilych, with all
    my thoughts and emotions, it’s altogether a different matter.
    It cannot be that I ought to die. That would be too terrible.”


    Such was his feeling.

    “If I had to die like Caius I would have known it was so.
    An inner voice would have told me so, but there was nothing
    of the sort in me and I and all my friends felt that our case
    was quite different from that of Caius. and now here it is!” he said to himself. “It can’t be. It’s impossible! But here it is.
    How is this? How is one to understand it?”
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch

    When have teenagers ever reacted positively to encyclopedias?

    i did
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    You know after some initial misgivings, i thought Wikipedia was really cool.

    An encyclopedia, free and constantly updated, so you could look up anything at all at the click of a mouse.

    Dammit.
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    Actually I liked encyclopedias too.

    One time when I was...I dunno, 5 or 6, an encyclopedia salesperson was actually at our house trying to sell my parents one. And I was all "oh yes, let's get this!" and they were all "well maybe when you're older".
  • Tachyon said:

    You know after some initial misgivings, i thought Wikipedia was really cool.

    An encyclopedia, free and constantly updated, so you could look up anything at all at the click of a mouse.

    Dammit.

    Wikipedia is really cool, some sections overrun with AGENDA aside.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Yeah, i think so.

    But the death of print encyclopedias is a hefty price to pay.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    My grandparents have an old 1970s-era World Book encyclopedia.

    When my family would visit them as a kid, I would sit around and browse them at random while the grownups talked.

    That was a lot of fun.
  • kill living beings
    stupidheadache fuck
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    Dear Thunderstorm,

    Please wait another 45 minutes.

    Thanks,
    Central Avenue
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    The only encyclopedia I had at home as a kid was Encarta

    Which is to say, not a print encyclopedia, but a pair of CD-ROMs

    These were the days when using the Internet meant tying up your phone line with a slow-ass 56K connection, so the idea of an online digital encyclopedia never even occurred to me
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    We did eventually get the print encyclopedia (a World Book from circa 1986 or 87).

    this concludes yntkt theater
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i was pretty impressed by Encarta when we got that, and i spent a lot of time on it
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    Today I learned the US Air Force has a Linux distro called "Lightweight Portable Security" that's inexplicably themed to look like Windows XP:

    image
  • you being super queer and super cute is military-clearance info?

    Damn.
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    the other day I saw a bumper sticker that said "I'm so gay I can't even drive straight"

    I thought that was mildly amusing
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    I want you all to know that I could have said something really snippy and started something that hurt everyone's feelings but I didn't and I'm going to leave now.
  • "Instant Messenger, what it do" - Paul Wall
  • MachSpeed said:

    I want you all to know that I could have said something really snippy and started something that hurt everyone's feelings but I didn't and I'm going to leave now.

    take care of yourself, Mach.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    If you need some time away, do what you have to do, and good luck.
  • Munch munch, chomp chomp...
    Be well.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Sometimes I wonder why I'm more of a "fanboy" type than most of the people here are
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