Sonic Inflation and Mpreg fanart, along with SammyClassicSonicFan, linked in Guardian article

Obā-san · 2014-05-10 01:26:54

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/04/sonic-the-hedgehog-how-fans-have-subverted-a-fallen-mascot

Obā-san · 2014-05-10 01:27:18

and before you ask it is all SFW

well as SFW as such things can be

Anonus · 2014-05-10 01:47:16

>the ageless hero

he's supposed to be 15

Justice4243 · 2014-05-10 02:22:24

Here's a confronting idea: what if the Sonic franchise was never that good to begin with?

Anonus · 2014-05-10 02:24:05

Also it presents the "cartoons voiced by Steve Urkel" as if they happened during a low point in the franchise's history

Obā-san · 2014-05-10 02:32:10

Anonus said:
Also it presents the "cartoons voiced by Steve Urkel" as if they happened during a low point in the franchise's history

if "cartoons voiced by Steve Urkel" don't qualify as a low point

then that does not bode well

Imipolex G · 2014-05-10 02:34:27

The cartoons were made during the early years, when the games were still well-regarded.

And the early games are still pretty fun.

Justice4243 · 2014-05-10 02:37:38

Anonus said:
Also it presents the "cartoons voiced by Steve Urkel" as if they happened during a low point in the franchise's history

These, admittedly, have not aged as well, but I agree it's a pretty shameless attempt to make a point which is pretty flawed.

Anonus · 2014-05-10 02:38:37

I actually like Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog

Unusually, it was a DIC show of actual quality (the one titled simply Sonic the Hedgehog, which is usually called "SatAM", is held in higher regard, but it seems less unusually entertaining and I don't know if it's my thing)

Anonus · 2014-05-10 02:39:23

Maybe "quality" was the wrong word though

It appeals to me and it has real artistry to it, even if it is kinda shoddy

Salix Babylonika · 2014-05-10 04:02:36

"None of the Sonic games were ever good" has become a stock ejjy thing to say and it just makes me sigh a lot.

Anonus · 2014-05-10 04:11:16

You know what would be funny? If an article in defense of furries or bronies or whatever showed up in one of these mainstream outlets and people got riled up over it.

glennmagusharvey · 2014-05-10 04:16:04

Wasn't there a pretty decent 3D sonic game from around 1997 or 1998 ish?

nohaynicklibre · 2014-05-10 08:28:35

Sonic Adventure? It's pretty decent

Fossilmaiden · 2014-05-10 09:19:12

Sonic Adventure 2 was good, too. Then Heroes happened. And Shadow the Hedgehog.

(Confession to make here: I actually like Shadow the Hedgehog, cheesy and stupid as it is.)

Princess Alice · 2014-05-10 11:03:49

The main thing I remember about Heroes is that the theme song was simultaneously obnoxious and earwormy as hell

Miss Miko Mayonegg · 2014-05-10 12:12:37

I laughed a lot. ^_^

Aliroz · 2014-05-10 13:51:47

I liked all the sonic games except SOnic 2006.

Tre · 2014-05-10 13:53:18

I'm so glad Rayman exists right now oh my god

I know I really shouldn't laugh at Sammy and that video they linked to but I can't keep it in

Anonus · 2014-05-10 14:18:27

It seems like most people outside the Sonic fandom ignore any game past '06

Haven · 2014-05-10 14:27:33

glennmagusharvey said:
Wasn't there a pretty decent 3D sonic game from around 1997 or 1998 ish?

There was an isometric one, wasn't there? Sonic 3D Blast, according to google.

Princess Alice · 2014-05-10 14:30:57

Fun fact: the Saturn game Sonic X-treme was going to have a tie-in Christmas special called An X-tremely Sonic Christmas.

But Sonic X-treme was, of course, never finished or released...but the special was already made, so they renamed it Sonic Christmas Blast at the last minute to tie in with 3D Blast.

Previous Calica · 2014-05-10 14:47:09

Fossilmaiden said:
Sonic Adventure 2 was good, too. Then Heroes happened. And Shadow the Hedgehog.

(Confession to make here: I actually like Shadow the Hedgehog, cheesy and stupid as it is.)

Where's that damn fourth Chaos Emerald?

Obā-san · 2014-05-10 14:49:14

THAT WORD IS A BOZO NO-NO

Anonus · 2014-05-10 14:51:50

really for non-fans it's like Unleashed and Colors and Generations don't exist

Obā-san · 2014-05-10 14:57:41

isn't unleashed the one where he turns into a werehedgehog or something

Previous Calica · 2014-05-10 14:58:41

yeah, unleashed had the werehog. it was...a bit of a pain, though the non-werehog levels were fine

Anonus · 2014-05-10 15:01:14

I actually enjoyed the Werehog levels, even if they're not Sonic enough...certainly better than emerald hunting or fishing

glennmagusharvey · 2014-05-10 15:53:10

Haven said:

glennmagusharvey said:
Wasn't there a pretty decent 3D sonic game from around 1997 or 1998 ish?
There was an isometric one, wasn't there? Sonic 3D Blast, according to google.

That's the one I was thinking of.

Salix Babylonika · 2014-05-10 15:55:14

Fossilmaiden said:
Sonic Adventure 2 was good, too. Then Heroes happened. And Shadow the Hedgehog.

(Confession to make here: I actually like Shadow the Hedgehog, cheesy and stupid as it is.)

Heroes is one of the better 3D games in the franchise. Possibly a contender for the best, if we're going purely by gameplay.

glennmagusharvey · 2014-05-10 15:56:07

thing with sonic is that sonic is really, really ill-suited for anything plot-heavy or realism-heavy

the early sonic games all had lots of conceptual/abstract features, from checkerboard platforms to stylized plants to...heck, a blue heavily-stylized hedgehog with thin arms and legs who spinjumps to break robots.

you need that level of stylized-ness to be compatible with the entire premise of the series

but games have been trying to do story-heavy, movie-like, oh-so-realistic stuff these days

Salix Babylonika · 2014-05-10 15:57:26

glennmagusharvey said:
thing with sonic is that sonic is really, really ill-suited for anything plot-heavy or realism-heavy

the early sonic games all had lots of conceptual/abstract features, from checkerboard platforms to stylized plants to...heck, a blue heavily-stylized hedgehog with thin arms and legs who spinjumps to break robots.

you need that level of stylized-ness to be compatible with the entire premise of the series

but games have been trying to do story-heavy, movie-like, oh-so-realistic stuff these days

No? No. No Sonic game has been like that since...Sonic & The Black Knight maybe?

The ones that are bad have much bigger problems than trying to be "realistic".

Previous Calica · 2014-05-10 16:00:06

the "realistic" thing was a problem in 2006 mostly in the part where they had Princess Elise, who was drawn like a Final Fantasy character, kissing Sonic, who wasn't.

Anonus · 2014-05-10 16:02:26

also the creepy, poorly-animated NPCs

Bee · 2014-05-11 03:45:37

Heroes was fun, but it was in spite of some very questionable design decisions. Like fucking long 12-minute levels and everything to do with the Chaotix. I'd have liked the level design much, much more if they at least split it in half or something.

Manly McMacho · 2014-05-11 03:51:44

I feel like the only person who's completely apathetic to sonic at this point

Anonus · 2014-05-11 03:54:16

I doubt you're alone, honestly

maybe on HH you are, but elsewhere? Probably not...

glennmagusharvey · 2014-05-11 03:55:28

I was never really a huge Sonic fan (there was a short time when I was really into it as a kid but it didn't last long and I never owned a Sonic game for more than a day; otherwise I mostly just knew AoStH and had a Sonic t-shirt), so I'm mostly apathetic to it too.

I wonder how well Sonic 4 sales have been going.

lee4hmz · 2014-05-11 03:59:53

I remember not liking AoStH at one point not because of the goofy premise or the DiC-quality animation, but because it reminded me of how much quicker my crush at the time got her work done in class. :P

Anonus · 2014-05-11 04:06:13

AoStH is a shining example of what TV Tropes calls Deranged Animation

Also, Robotnik is animation's sexiest fat man

lee4hmz · 2014-05-11 04:27:56

Anonus said:
AoStH is a shining example of what TV Tropes calls Deranged Animation

Also, Robotnik is animation's sexiest fat man

Previous Calica · 2014-05-11 04:28:56

pingas

Anonus · 2014-05-11 04:36:19

lee4hmz said:

Anonus said:
AoStH is a shining example of what TV Tropes calls Deranged Animation

Also, Robotnik is animation's sexiest fat man

Tre · 2014-05-11 10:50:36

I'd be apathetic if not for the fandom's... tomfoolery.

My opinion, perhaps unfairly, has diminished recently due to the Sammy nonsense and a general aversion to the wankery the series attracts

None of which is honestly Sega's fault, but still.

Miss Miko Mayonegg · 2014-05-12 04:24:47

I am apathetic to Sonic as well but I still find the really old ones fun.

Imipolex G · 2014-05-12 17:52:01

I will gladly play the early games from time to time (and steal their resources). Otherwise I don't care

Yarrun XIX · 2014-05-12 18:03:45

Burgundy Queen said:

glennmagusharvey said:
thing with sonic is that sonic is really, really ill-suited for anything plot-heavy or realism-heavy

the early sonic games all had lots of conceptual/abstract features, from checkerboard platforms to stylized plants to...heck, a blue heavily-stylized hedgehog with thin arms and legs who spinjumps to break robots.

you need that level of stylized-ness to be compatible with the entire premise of the series

but games have been trying to do story-heavy, movie-like, oh-so-realistic stuff these days
No? No. No Sonic game has been like that since...Sonic & The Black Knight maybe?

The ones that are bad have much bigger problems than trying to be "realistic".

Ughhhhhh

That game was not good. That game was...unfinished.

Odradek · 2014-05-12 18:05:50

The Gameboy Advance Sonics were pretty good

Anonus · 2014-05-12 18:38:59

they were, yeah

playing through the third one felt kinda awkward, it felt like they were trying to strike a balance between the ALL SPEED ALL THE TIME FOREVER of the second and the more Genesis-like feel of the first

Tre · 2014-05-12 20:06:34

Anonus said:
ALL SPEED ALL THE TIME FOREVER

This phrase encapsulates why I don't like Sonic as much as I could

I know they don't all go for that feel throughout, but enough of my experience has been that way that I can't really detach Sonic from that concept

glennmagusharvey · 2014-05-12 20:07:47

What, exactly, is the focus of the early Sonic games anyway? Is it speed? Is it spectacle? Is it the complexity of obstacles and overcoming them by learning them?

Sonic Inflation and Mpreg fanart, along with SammyClassicSonicFan, linked in Guardian article

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