Disney in general also tends to lean conservative, i think
relative to the politics of the time, at any rate
Haha you know it! In hindsight I like One Saturday Morning's creative direction and find
Pepper Ann and Teacher's Pet hidden gems, but the Walt Disney Company always felt very tight-assed compared to Nick, H-B/CN (though Bill Hanna and Joe Barbera honestly seemed to have kind of vanilla tastes), or WB.
Disney is one of a few companies whose very existence makes me uncomfortable.
Like, people still stand up for it? As though it's something that needs defending and is somehow an underdog in....any situation?
Like there are Disney fans. Hardcore Disney fans, and I don't understand how.
Their properties have next to nothing in common, it's just a random selection of stuff. Some of it good, some of it bad, and people look at this and go "yeah this is something that is worth my time arguing for on the internet."
people do it with Nintendo too idgi.
It's possible to like Disney and still have a complicated view of the Walt Disney Company.
Of course, I'm talking about people who don't.
Walt Disney Animation Studios - for most, the first thing that comes to mind when one thinks of Disney - has a long association with a high standard of storytelling and craft. This of course varies by the movie, but the craft appeals nonetheless.
I disagree, because:
Disney does have a long history of sticking their name on crap that exists solely to pay the bills, and a seeming attraction to mediocrity and dullness that permeates much of the company (this manifests itself most obviously through - I'm serious - ABC). It's part of why I've come to detest Bob Iger's Disney. There's WDAS, there's Pixar, there's Disney Television Animation, there's the Muppets Studio, but most of Disney has this vibe of repression about it.
of this.
And really what I'm talking about is more any consistent theme to their holdings. They have the Disney animated canon (and associated Princess line), their cartoon characters, Marvel, the Star Wars stuff, and loads of other stuff. And none of it really relates to each other in any thematic way so it just all looks random.
Also, about Marvel in specific, you have to remember that before Disney it was owned by a former corporate raider, Ike Perlmutter, and that in the years before the MCU, Marvel's properties were subject to a lot of devaluing hackiness (e.g. those chintzy old cartoons that couldn't hold a candle to the DCAU - those predate Perlmutter, but still adhere somewhat to his apparent way of thinking). There is still some of that bland/soulless corporate attitude there (I have heard little good about the Marvel cartoons populating Disney XD - Ultimate Spider-Man is said to be awful but it seems like the best of them), and I don't know how that will change as Disney forces out Perlmutter and instills their own ethos into Marvel. Marvel kind of feels like an odd fit within Disney anyway besides the "highly marketable characters" aspect.
I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
Their holdings relate to each other insofar as they are part of a strategy of aiming at specific demographics.
There's properties for kids in general (Mickey and friends), preschoolers (Pooh, Doc McStuffins), girls (the Princess franchise and much of what's on the main Disney Channel), boys (Marvel, Star Wars), men (ESPN), and women (ABC).
it sounds as though - and honestly this has been my impression - they don't necessarily want you to be interested in Disney as an entity
i mean, they'd like it, i'm sure, but that's clearly not the strategy, the strategy is a series of distinct markets each with its own theming and they try to get you hooked on one of those
kids get hooked on "Disney" because their main image is kid-friendly, they use the name less prominently (or sometimes not at all) when marketing to adults
"Disney" is Mickey Mouse, and the Princesses, and Marvel and Star Wars too, as well as the Disney Channel and Disney World and Kingdom Hearts, but it's not ESPN or ABC or even Touchstone Pictures
I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
Disney makes no secret of their ownership of ABC; they use it to run a lot of overtly Disney programming (such as Once Upon a Time, shows based on Marvel properties, and The Muppets), and a promo earlier this year for Battlebots had someone quipping "I'm goin' to Disney World! This is ABC, so I get to say that!"
I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
They also make no secret of their ownership of ESPN; there is an ESPN Wide World of Sports Complex (the WWOS name was itself inherited from Capital Cities/ABC, along with ESPN) at Walt Disney World
It was a big revelation when I watched Twin Peaks and then found out that HOLY CRAP ORSON THE DENTIST WHO WAS MAYBE A MURDERER BUT THEN TURNED OUT NOT TO BE WAS AGENT COOPER??????
i don't even know what's the worst TV i ever watched
tempted to say Bleach
I dunno I don't think Bleach is that bad.
I don't think it's good either, but it's basically just a DBZ style thing no?
yeah i guess?
i never watched much DBZ
Bleach started out interesting to me and then it just kinda devolved into a series of increasingly long, ever-more-pointless fight scenes between increasingly minor characters
i don't even know what's the worst TV i ever watched
tempted to say Bleach
I dunno I don't think Bleach is that bad.
I don't think it's good either, but it's basically just a DBZ style thing no?
yeah i guess?
i never watched much DBZ
Bleach started out interesting to me and then it just kinda devolved into a series of increasingly long, ever-more-pointless fight scenes between increasingly minor characters
honestly I shouldn't defend it.
I only ever watched Bleach (or most [adult swim] anime) at like 2am, while zonked out of my mind, and eating potato chips.
I could really not tell you a thing about Bleach, FMA, Ghost in The Shell....
i don't even know what's the worst TV i ever watched
tempted to say Bleach
I dunno I don't think Bleach is that bad.
I don't think it's good either, but it's basically just a DBZ style thing no?
yeah i guess?
i never watched much DBZ
Bleach started out interesting to me and then it just kinda devolved into a series of increasingly long, ever-more-pointless fight scenes between increasingly minor characters
honestly I shouldn't defend it.
I only ever watched Bleach (or most [adult swim] anime) at like 2am, while zonked out of my mind, and eating potato chips.
I could really not tell you a thing about Bleach, FMA, Ghost in The Shell....
basically like
everything that i say is great about FMA, Bleach did the exact opposite
i don't even know what's the worst TV i ever watched
tempted to say Bleach
I dunno I don't think Bleach is that bad.
I don't think it's good either, but it's basically just a DBZ style thing no?
yeah i guess?
i never watched much DBZ
Bleach started out interesting to me and then it just kinda devolved into a series of increasingly long, ever-more-pointless fight scenes between increasingly minor characters
honestly I shouldn't defend it.
I only ever watched Bleach (or most [adult swim] anime) at like 2am, while zonked out of my mind, and eating potato chips.
I could really not tell you a thing about Bleach, FMA, Ghost in The Shell....
basically like
everything that i say is great about FMA, Bleach did the exact opposite
i don't even know what's the worst TV i ever watched
tempted to say Bleach
I dunno I don't think Bleach is that bad.
I don't think it's good either, but it's basically just a DBZ style thing no?
yeah i guess?
i never watched much DBZ
Bleach started out interesting to me and then it just kinda devolved into a series of increasingly long, ever-more-pointless fight scenes between increasingly minor characters
I pretty much completely agree with you.
I still don't think it's the worst TV show I've ever watched, though. Maybe that would be Glee?
I think the two worst shows I've ever actually been hooked on were the Ameri-Canadian version of Skins and The Bad Girls Club. (I still think Skins had the potential to improve with time, though.)
Glee started strong but lost a lot of steam after about two and a half seasons, and then after Cory Monteith passed I lost pretty much all desire to try to keep up with it.
Seth McFarlane's work is also kind of circling the drain too at this point. Something about the balls-to-the-wall OFFEND EVERYBODY ALWAYS approach his stuff takes appealed to me in my early adolescence, but I've grown out of it.
FMA(B) is one of those shows that only makes sense if you see it from the beginning, but it's really good. (I credit the original anime for getting me interested, but I haven't watched it in years and I don't really plan to after binging Brotherhood with my brother.)
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of this.
This is fair, I suppose.
i mean, they'd like it, i'm sure, but that's clearly not the strategy, the strategy is a series of distinct markets each with its own theming and they try to get you hooked on one of those
kids get hooked on "Disney" because their main image is kid-friendly, they use the name less prominently (or sometimes not at all) when marketing to adults
"Disney" is Mickey Mouse, and the Princesses, and Marvel and Star Wars too, as well as the Disney Channel and Disney World and Kingdom Hearts, but it's not ESPN or ABC or even Touchstone Pictures
not ime anyway
i'm not postulating some conspiracy wherein Disney pretend not to be Disney
she mostly watches historical dramas and soap-type series that aren't the big 4
it might be they don't show them overseas
i think they're all experiencing kinda a decline, but they are some of the most popular shows over here, EastEnders and Coronation Street especially
Hollyoaks is supposed to be a bit edgier and more daring than the other 3, when i was a teen a lot of people i knew at school were into it
(it was one of mum's favourites)
we both watched a lot of Ugly Betty
tempted to say Bleach
watched those from start to finish
yeah i guess?
i never watched much DBZ
Bleach started out interesting to me and then it just kinda devolved into a series of increasingly long, ever-more-pointless fight scenes between increasingly minor characters
everything that i say is great about FMA, Bleach did the exact opposite
I still don't think it's the worst TV show I've ever watched, though. Maybe that would be Glee?
Glee started strong but lost a lot of steam after about two and a half seasons, and then after Cory Monteith passed I lost pretty much all desire to try to keep up with it.
Seth McFarlane's work is also kind of circling the drain too at this point. Something about the balls-to-the-wall OFFEND EVERYBODY ALWAYS approach his stuff takes appealed to me in my early adolescence, but I've grown out of it.
FMA(B) is one of those shows that only makes sense if you see it from the beginning, but it's really good. (I credit the original anime for getting me interested, but I haven't watched it in years and I don't really plan to after binging Brotherhood with my brother.)