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  • edited 2012-10-12 14:07:50

    clearly your jew is insufficiently AWESOME


    :P


    i still can't get over this mental imagery.


    it's like the greatest trollfic of all time.
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    "it's like the greatest trollfic of all time."

    I'd imagine such comments would come off as complements to the writers.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Most certainly.

    An odd note about Judas: His epithet, Iskariotes, appears to be a Hellenised attributive form of the Roman Sicarius. One interpretation that I read suggested that Judas' motive for betraying Jesus was to provoke a revolution amongst his followers by making him a martyr, hence finally expelling the Romans from Judaea. It's an interesting theory that, were we speaking in literary terms, would add a very peculiar kind of depth to his character.
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    I always felt Judas had a little more depth than most seem to regard him with.

    Gnostics aside (where he's potentially Jesus's BFF and the whole crucifixion Xanatos gambit was something Judas was in on), I felt it was interesting that he felt remorse for his actions and tried to return the money he was given to sell Jesus out.

    Yet, he still often gets regarded as one of the most EVIL men in history. I find this especially interesting since his actions where likely filling out a rather vital role of the Gospels. 
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    There were definitely worse people in the Bible, even in the New Testament; take, for instance, Salomé's deranged romantic obsession with John the Baptist. Seriously, she seduced her stepdad to have a man killed because he wouldn't bone her. That's... it's just wrong on so many levels.
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  • "It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
    Oscar Wilde actually wrote a very moralistic play about Salome.

    It's where "dance of the seven veils" as the stock name for a perverted belly dance comes from.
  • Gilda said:

    Oscar Wilde actually wrote a very moralistic play about Salome.

    It's where "dance of the seven veils" as the stock name for a perverted belly dance comes from.

    It's a good 'un.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    And Strauss made it an opera, which was well-received yet nonetheless scandalised many critics and high-profile opera enthusiasts.
  • "It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
    So anyway...

    Do cowboys grow up to be minotaurs?
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    It took me a second, but that pun... WOW.
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    Gilda said:

    So anyway...

    Do cowboys grow up to be minotaurs?

    no
  • edited 2012-10-13 19:04:00
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.

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    Judas (ジューダス Jūdasu?) is a manga by Suu Minazuki (水無月すう Minazuki Sū?). There are a total of five volumes in this series. The first was published in English by Tokyopop on October 10, 2006. The second volume of this series was released by Tokyopop on February 13, 2007. Judas is cursed for his sins to kill six hundred and sixty six (666) people to regain his humanity. However, he is forbidden human contact and has no corporeal body. In order to kill, he uses his slave, Eve, to kill for him. Every time Eve's blood is spilled, Judas comes out and forces Eve to "say his prayers", in other words, kill. However, despite being forced to commit such heinous acts, Eve is also forced to dress like a girl. Judas had mistaken him for girl when they had first met, and he has forced Eve to dress like a girl. Sometime along the course of their strange relationship, they meet a professor, who joins them.

    So I guess that's where that image that had been floating around Tumblr, featuring a man shooting some cars and people, captions declaring that "...tonight, JESUS WOULD PAY FOR HIS SINS" comes from.

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    The premise to the comic feels pretty strange to me... I mean.. I'm OK with dudes cross-dressing, even for dubious reasons, but why is Judas's task to kill MORE people?

    Maybe they're evil or something, but the synopsis doesn't specify. And if it's just random people, why the hell has it taken Judas this long to do it? I mean...over 2,000 years? That's about a single person every three years.

    Maybe if I read the manga it will explain all this, though I must confess I'm not incredibly confident of that.
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    The guy who created Gundam, about 20 years ago, went and made a manga about Jesus that was (of course) his incredible artwork and each page was lovingly watercolor painted. Two volumes, beautiful stuff. I don't think it was ever translated, and my copies are in storage somewhere in California. 
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    It HAS to look better than the Bible Manga I posted. 

    That looks so generic, it hurts.
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    Oh trust me there is no comparison. That Bible manga you posted really does look flat and generic
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    Oh trust me there is no comparison. That Bible manga you posted really does look flat and generic

    That's putting it mildly. The characters look like they where drawn with the aid of a "Learn how to draw Manga!" book.
  • I will do all I can to be worthy of Thee O Lord. 
    It all has to do with it. 
    Thank you God. 
    Peace. 
    There is none other. 
    God is. It is so beautiful. 
    Thank you God. God is all. 
    Help us to resolve our fears and weaknesses. 
    Thank you God. 
    In You all things are possible. 
    We know. God made us so. 
    Keep your eye on God. 
    God is. He always was. He always will be. 
    No matter what...it is God. 
    He is gracious and merciful. 
    It is most important that I know Thee. 
    Words, sounds, speech, men, memory, thoughts, 
    fears and emotions – time – all related ... 
    all made from one ... all made in one. 
    Blessed be His name. 
    Thought waves – heat waves-all vibrations – 
    all paths lead to God. Thank you God. 

    His way ... it is so lovely ... it is gracious. 
    It is merciful – thank you God. 
    One thought can produce millions of vibrations 
    and they all go back to God ... everything does. 
    Thank you God. 
    Have no fear ... believe ... thank you God. 
    The universe has many wonders. God is all. His way ... it is so wonderful. 
    Thoughts – deeds – vibrations, etc. 
    They all go back to God and He cleanses all. 
    He is gracious and merciful...thank you God. 
    Glory to God ... God is so alive. 
    God is. 
    God loves. 
    May I be acceptable in Thy sight. 
    We are all one in His grace. 
    The fact that we do exist is acknowledgement of Thee O Lord. 
    Thank you God. 
    God will wash away all our tears ... 
    He always has ... 
    He always will. 
    Seek Him everyday. In all ways seek God everyday. 
    Let us sing all songs to God 
    To whom all praise is due ... praise God. 
    No road is an easy one, but they all 
    go back to God. 
    With all we share God. 
    It is all with God. 
    It is all with Thee. 
    Obey the Lord. 
    Blessed is He. 
    We are from one thing ... the will of God ... thank you God. 
    I have seen God – I have seen ungodly – 
    none can be greater – none can compare to God. 
    Thank you God. 
    He will remake us ... He always has and He always will. 
    It is true – blessed be His name – thank you God. 
    God breathes through us so completely ... 
    so gently we hardly feel it ... yet, 
    it is our everything. 
    Thank you God. 
    ELATION-ELEGANCE-EXALTATION
    All from God. 
    Thank you God. Amen. 


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    Recently I learned that my manager is a Tibetan Buddhist. Apparently his father was and he picked it up from him and kept with it. His family often had extra room they would let monks who could speak pretty much no English use.

     

    He dosen't meditate, but he wears a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_prayer_beads#Mala mala]] on his left wrist (along with a watch) at all times.

     

     

    And now for something completely different.

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism#Casual_Satanism

    Casual satanism is the use of satanic symbols like the inverted pentagram/Sigil of Baphomet, the trappings of the black mass, or demonic imagery to provide the impression of satanism.[28] This is a liminal experience, reserved primarily for shock value, and does not necessarily indicate actual belief, or even interest, in the rites, symbolism, and philosophies of the various forms of Satanist practice cited above.[29]

     

    Take THAT rebellious teenagers.

     



  • edited 2012-11-10 19:16:12
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    Something else that interesting to point out about LaVeyan Satanism, is it's weird list of "Infernal names of Satan":

    THE INFERNAL NAMES OF SATAN AS PER THE SATANIC BIBLE:

    Abaddon (Hebrew)  the destroyer
    Adramelech    Samarian devil
    Ahpuch    Mayan devil
    Ahriman    Mazdean devil
    Amon    Egyptian ram-headed god of life and reproduction
    Apollyon     Greek synonym for Satan, the arch fiend.
    Asmodeus    Hebrew devil of sensuality and luxury, originally “creature of judgment”
    Astaroth    Phoenician goddess of lasciviousness, equivalent of Babylonian Ishtar.
    Azazel (Hebrew)  taught man to make weapons of war, introduced cosmetics.
    Baalberith    Canaanite Lord of the covenant who was later made a devil.
    Balaam    Hebrew devil of avarice and greed.
    Baphomet    Worshipped by the Templars as symbolic of Satan.
    Bast     Egyptian goddess of pleasure represented by the cat
    Beelzebub (Hebrew)  Lord of the flies, taken from symbolism of the scarab.
    Behemoth    Hebrew personification of Satan in the form of an elephant.
    Beherit    Syriac name for Satan.
    Bile     Celtic god of hell.
    Chemosh    National god of Moabites, later a devil.
    Cimeries    Rides a black horse and rules Africa
    Coyote    American Indian devil.
    Dagon    Philistine avenging devil of the sea.
    Damballa    Voodoo serpent god.
    Demogorgon   Greek name of the devil, it is said should not be known to mortals.
    Diabolus (Greek)   “flowing downwards”
    Dracula    Romanian name for devil.
    Emma-O    Japanese ruler of hell.
    Euronymous   Greek prince of death
    Fenriz    Son of Loki, depicted as a wolf.
    Gorgo    Same as Demogorgon, Greek name of devil.
    Haborym    Hebrew synonym for Satan.
    Hecate    Greek goddess of the underworld and witchcraft.
    Ishtar    Babylonian goddess of fertility.
    Kali (Hindu)   daughter of Shiva, high priestess of the Thuggees.
    Lilith     Hebrew female devil, Adam’s first wife who taught him the ropes.
    Loki     Teutonic devil
    Mammon    Aramaic god of wealth and profit.
    Mania    Etruscan goddess of Hell.
    Mantus    Etruscan god of Hell.
    Marduck    god of the city of Babylon.
    Mastema    Hebrew synonym for Satan.
    Melek Taus   Yezidi devil.
    Mephistoplheles (Greek) he who shuns the light.
    Metztli    Aztec goddess of the night.
    Mictian    Aztec god of death.
    Midgard    son of Loki, depicted as a serpent.
    Milcom    Ammonite devil.
    Moloch    Phoenician and Canaanite devil.
    Mormo (Greek)   King of the Ghouls, consort of Hecate.
    Naamah    Hebrew female devil of seduction.
    Nergal    Babylonian god of Hades.
    Nihasa    American Indian devil.
    Nija     Polish god of the underworld.
    O Yama    Japanese name for Satan.
    Pan     Greek god of lust, later related to devildom.
    Pluto     Greek god of the underworld.
    Proserpine    Greek queen of the underworld.
    Pwcca    Welch name for Satan.
    Rimmon    Syrian devil worshipped at Damascus.
    Sabazios    Phrygian origin, identified with Dionysos, snake worship.
    Saitan    Enochian equivalent of Satan.
    Sammael (Hebrew)  “venom of god”
    Samnu    Central Asian devil.
    Sedit     American Indian devil.
    Sekhmet    Egyptian goddess of vengeance.
    Set     Egyptian devil.
    Shaitan    Arabic name for Satan.
    Shiva (Hindu)   the destroyer.
    Supay    Inca god of the underworld.
    T’an-mo    Chinese counterpart to the devil, covetousness, desire.
    Tchort    Russian name for Satan, “black gold”
    Tezcatlipoca   Aztec god of Hell.
    Thamuz    Sumerian god who later was relegated to devildom.
    Thoth    Egyptian god of magic.
    Tunrida    Scandinavian female devil.
    Typhon    Greek personification of Satan.
    Yaotzin    Aztec god of Hell.
    Yen-lo-Wang   Chinese ruler of Hell.

     

     
    Geez, where to begin. Many of these figures aren't even evil, they're neutral or even considered heroes, like Shiva. It's like LaVey just found every mythological figure he could make sounds cool to 14 year olds with a sentence long description written after it.


    Somethine else I found interesting:

    As per the Satanic Bible: The use of a human sacrifice in a Satanic ritual, does not imply that the sacrifice is slaughtered “to appease the gods”. Symbolically, the victim is destroyed through the working of a hex or curse, which in turn leads to the physical, mental or emotional destruction of the “sacrifice” in ways and means not attributable to the magician. It is said, that the only time a Satanist would perform a human sacrifice would be if it were to serve a two-fold purpose: that being to release the magicians wrath in the throwing of a curse, and more important, to dispose of a totally obnoxious and deserving individual. This is untrue, satanists sacrifice humans for the power they receive for doing it, and for eating and drinking the flesh and blood of the sacrifice, be it human or animal, live or dead.


    With stuff like this, I'm trying to figure out how practicioners stand by the "phylosphy" claim. I mean, OK, they don't do curses, but they recieve "power" for killing things and deviuring them?



    I guess "power" can mean many things here, but the wording isn't doing a great job of imparting the idea that it's some sort of state of mind.

  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    @Mr. Truant: "Psalm" is seriously one of the most exceptional pieces of devotional music that I have ever heard.

    It's a shame that most religious music in the modern era is so painfully bland. Despite not being much of a religious person, I feel sorry for devout individuals of taste right now. Really, all the good religious musicians right now seem to be either weird outliers or eccentrics...
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    While not strictly "religious" I've always felt that Mumford & Sons had some pretty heavy Christian themes in pretty much every song of theirs I've heard.

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    Btw

    If anyone cares

    The Faithful have a new leader.
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  • edit: Wrong thread

    What I meant to put in this post was: "Oh, the Anglican Church."

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    Is he more liberal than the last Archbishop? 'Cause he seems pretty liberal for a Church leader.
  • "It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
    How could be more liberal than Rowan Williams? By being an Episcopalian?
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    I wasn't really familiar with Rowan Williams views, so I wasn't sure. 
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    Gilda said:

    How could be more liberal than Rowan Williams? By being an Episcopalian?

    by being Unitarian
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    Isn't the general stereotype about Anglicans is that they are really relaxed and don't really believe strongly in anything in particular?
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    Odradek said:

    Isn't the general stereotype about Anglicans is that they are really relaxed and don't really believe strongly in anything in particular?

    You can say that about any religion that migrates from actual gospel to ritualism and ceremony

    Especially when they're in bed with the state. Isn't Anglicanism the Church of England?
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    Justice42 said:

    Is he more liberal than the last Archbishop? 'Cause he seems pretty liberal for a Church leader.

    No, actually hes more conservative.

    Welby is against SSM/gay bishops.
    Isn't Anglicanism the Church of England?
    Kinda,

    Anglicanism is the global name to which the CoE falls under.
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    King Beleth

    Sigil of Beleth.

    Beleth also spelled BiletBileth and Byleth is a mighty and terrible king of Hell, who has eighty-five legions of demons under his command. He rides a pale horse, and all kind of music is heard before him, according to most authors on demonology and the most known grimoires. According to Pseudomonarchia Daemonum HamNoah's son, was the first in invoking him after the flood, and wrote a book on Mathematics with his help.

    When appearing he looks very fierce to frighten the conjurer or to see if he is courageous. The conjurer must be brave, and holding a hazel wand in his hand must draw a triangle by striking towards the South, East, and upwards, and command Beleth into it by means of some conjurations.

    If he does not obey, the conjurer must rehearse all threats the conjurations said. Then, Beleth will obey and do all that he is commanded, but the conjurer must be respectful and pay homage unto Beleth due to his rank, and hold a silver ring in the middle finger of the left hand against his face, as it is the use of hellish kings and princes before Amaymon.

    Beleth gives all the love of men and women he is commanded until the conjurer is satisfied.




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    Duke Astaroth

    Astaroth's seal (according to The Lesser Key of Solomon)

    He is referred to in The Lesser Key of Solomon as a very powerful demon. In art, in the Dictionnaire Infernal, Astaroth is depicted as a nude man with feathered wings, wearing a crown, holding aserpent in one hand, and riding a beast with dragon-like wings and a serpent-like tail. According to Sebastien Michaelis he is a demon of the First Hierarchy, who seduces by means of laziness, vanity, and rationalized philosophies. His adversary is St. Bartholomew, who can protect against him for he has resisted Astaroth's temptations. To others, he teaches mathematical sciences and handicrafts, can make men invisible and lead them to hidden treasures, and answers every question formulated to him. He was also said to give to mortal beings the power over serpents. His name is possibly taken from the goddess Asherah or Astarte.


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    I can look through my books on both these guys, but the thing with (Christian/Hebrew) Demonology, is that you can often get the demons to do things that would be considered relatively harmless, or even good.

    This, however, does not make the demons good or harmless. The only do this stuff if summon and commanded against their will. 
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    Let's see...

    Bileth (Beleth) tends to "embroil people in foolish and misguided love". He can be dangerous if summoned without proper protection (silver ring), and oversees a number of demons associated with suffering and disease.

    Astaroth was originally a female goddess worshiped by rival tribes around the Hebrews. He's got a crazy dragon riding, snake carrying, naked dude, in a crown thing going and also requires a silver ring for protection.
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    Btw Justice

    The next archbishop is more of a conservative than Rowan Williams
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    I saw that, thanks for the info.

    They both seem pretty liberal to me, but I'm comparing them to the Catholics and also all the conservative Christians in America.
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    FWIW

    I'm seeing them both through the lens of Liberal Anglicanism :3
  • If you think regular Catholicism is traditionalist, you haven't met Old Catholicism.
  • "It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
    Have the Episcopalians and African Anglicans still not had a schism? I mean it's only a matter of time before it's made official that this and this are different religions. The issues of 451 and 1054 were tiny in comparison.
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    "To others, he teaches mathematical sciences and handicrafts, can make men invisible and lead them to hidden treasures"

     teaches mathematical sciences and handicrafts, can make men invisible

     mathematical sciences and handicrafts

     handicrafts


    Martha Stewart learned everything she knew from summoning arch-demon Astaroth.

  • Justice42 said:

    "To others, he teaches mathematical sciences and handicrafts, can make men invisible and lead them to hidden treasures"

     teaches mathematical sciences and handicrafts, can make men invisible

     mathematical sciences and handicrafts

     handicrafts


    Martha Stewart learned everything she knew from summoning arch-demon Astaroth.

    but does astaroth teach insider trading
  • See, this is why I was not born during medieval or ancient times.

    Because I would've totally tried to summon these things. Invisibility? Hellz yea.

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