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Unless the only wine he can turn water into is Sutter Home white zinfandel, or some such, I doubt there's much to debate over his beverage of choice...
I thought that any animal that was loved would go to heaven, but then I felt bad for all the animals that weren't pets. So I decided to love all animals.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
The Bible and Qur'an seem to imply that animals have no immortal spirit (as opposed to humans).
They do have a "soul" (unless I flipped terms).
Still, the general consensus (even among Church and religious officials) seems to be if one needs a beloved pet to be happy in the afterlife, it will be provided.
Doctor Who reference in Pokemon B2W2? Headcanon accepted.
Considering the Almighty not only created the world and oceans and the mountains and the trees and birds and the bees, also considering he's the one behind cosmic strings and the gravitationally lensed galaxies at the very deepest red-shifted end of the the Hubble Deep field, that I would not question whether or not how he goes about admitting who or what into the balmier side of the afterlife other than the standard instructions the Bible provides
If God does not canonically like dogs I will be upset. :'[
The Bible is pretty positive regarding most animals (except, maybe snakes, for obvious reasons). Heaven is just understood to be about people, not every living thing.
I remember a specific exchange I had with a teacher regarding part of Revelation very well. Specifically the part where John informs us that the thunder told him something, but also told him to not write it down.
Me: *sighs loudly* Teacher: "what's the matter?" Me: "He won't say what the thunder said!" Teacher: "Well, it's a sec-" Me: "It's annoying."
I think I might've gotten detention for that, actually.
Mostly, they're not considered authentic (that is, they don't date from the time period that matches up to the lives of the people they claim to have been written by). Other times it's more esoteric reasons, but that's the majority of them.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
Huh...strange.
Considering that a lot of the Catholic doctrine regarding the Arch-Angels are at least influenced by the writings of The Book of Enoch, I'm surprised she wouldn't want you to read it.
I once desired to be Wiccan, but I suppose we can say the same for being Satanic, Buddhist, and Jewish. ^_^
If nothing else, the branch of Wiccanism my grandmother practices (I don't recall the sect's name, but Silver RavenWolf's people) is certainly pretty cool.
Considering that a lot of the Catholic doctrine regarding the Arch-Angels are at least influenced by the writings of The Book of Enoch, I'm surprised she wouldn't want you to read it.
My mom's....odd.
She's the kind of person who thinks the Pope should be more Catholic. She's "technically" an Old Catholic, but I'm not honestly sure what the distinction is, aside from the aforementioned hardline-ness.
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
Souls, spirits, and animals:
The historic teaching is that the spirit or "rational soul" that survives after human death is the uniquely human part of us. What's usually missed when people try to debate this is how much the Bible has to say about the life after the afterlife. When death dies, it's not just those disembodied minds getting their bodies back: Earth is regenerated and there's a perfect animal kingdom, the lion will lie down with the lamb, and so on. Are the animals we're told will be in the world to come are the same ones that lived and died before? That's beyond me.
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
:P
On a silly note, has anyone considered how religious fantasy RPGs would get if you insisted on using all mythic monsters accurately?
"You encounter a prophet on the Buraq. Do you confess that there's no god but God?"
"You encounter a beast with seven lion heads. Do you choose to die rather than submit to it?"
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
Certainly the major races and enemy monsters are often taken strait out of some mythology or another. Though, I can't think of anyone incorporating THE beast into a source book,
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
"Certainly the major races and enemy monsters are often taken strait out of some mythology or another."
Yes, but what if they were used accurately? Like if the Buraq could only be ridden by a prophet of the one God, rather than being a mix of ideas from the Islamic source, Hellenic ones (Elysium?) and D&Disms?
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
Speaking of D&D, here's their take on Tiamat a la Genzoman:
Yeesh, she will eat your face five times over.
GURPS goes with something a bit closer to the source material. She only has one head, but she's invulnerable (unless you hit her heart), super-strong, immortal, and a master spell caster.
This is why Marduk had to force her mouth open and shoot an arrow through it directly into her heart. Hmmm...as the mother of all creation, Marduk was technically her great, great, great, great grandson, or some such....
OF COURSE!
Bon Jovi was singing about Tiamat and Marduk!
I love how Chrome recognizes "Marduk" as a word, but not "Tiamat", "Bon", or "Jovi".
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
I was very anxious last night, and prayed hesychasm (a psychosomatic technique of repeating the Jesus Prayer with eyes and ears shut) for the first time. It's definitely a different experience than, say, the Our Father. It produces calming stillness rather than meditation on the phrases confessed.
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That's bullshit.
We all know Jesus is a soda man.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
So hey
I found this old article from 1997. It trips my bullshit alarm, but it's a very interesting read regardless.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
Indeed.
I wrote a rap about it because I will literally write lyrics for any reason whatsoever.
Shame this isn't legit. (*The first 2 are, the rest of the exchange is shopped*)
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
Dad's position used to be "NO!" until we had a dog that he liked die. Then he changed his mind. Flip-flopper.
I had an interesting position on this as a kid.
I thought that any animal that was loved would go to heaven, but then I felt bad for all the animals that weren't pets. So I decided to love all animals.
Except bugs, because five years old.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
Is that even covered in the Bible?
I don't recall it off the top of my head, but it's been a while.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
IC
Not a Christian myself though so I suppose it's sorta irrelevant on my end.
I spent most of the time reading Revelation anyway, I was *that* kid.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
I remember a specific exchange I had with a teacher regarding part of Revelation very well. Specifically the part where John informs us that the thunder told him something, but also told him to not write it down.
Me: *sighs loudly*
Teacher: "what's the matter?"
Me: "He won't say what the thunder said!"
Teacher: "Well, it's a sec-"
Me: "It's annoying."
I think I might've gotten detention for that, actually.
...great description, self.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
My grandmother got me a copy of Enoch for my birthday once.
Mother was not happy and confiscated it shortly thereafter.
Assorted reasons.
Mostly, they're not considered authentic (that is, they don't date from the time period that matches up to the lives of the people they claim to have been written by). Other times it's more esoteric reasons, but that's the majority of them.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
My grandmother's a Wiccan, actually.
She only got it for me cuz I asked for it.
My mother on the other hand is (or was, at the time, she's mellowed out a bit recently) a very hardline Catholic.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
If nothing else, the branch of Wiccanism my grandmother practices (I don't recall the sect's name, but Silver RavenWolf's people) is certainly pretty cool.
My mom's....odd.
She's the kind of person who thinks the Pope should be more Catholic. She's "technically" an Old Catholic, but I'm not honestly sure what the distinction is, aside from the aforementioned hardline-ness.
The historic teaching is that the spirit or "rational soul" that survives after human death is the uniquely human part of us. What's usually missed when people try to debate this is how much the Bible has to say about the life after the afterlife. When death dies, it's not just those disembodied minds getting their bodies back: Earth is regenerated and there's a perfect animal kingdom, the lion will lie down with the lamb, and so on. Are the animals we're told will be in the world to come are the same ones that lived and died before? That's beyond me.
They're replicants.
On a silly note, has anyone considered how religious fantasy RPGs would get if you insisted on using all mythic monsters accurately?
"You encounter a prophet on the Buraq. Do you confess that there's no god but God?"
"You encounter a beast with seven lion heads. Do you choose to die rather than submit to it?"
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
Although the Cyberdemon was cool.
Yes, but what if they were used accurately? Like if the Buraq could only be ridden by a prophet of the one God, rather than being a mix of ideas from the Islamic source, Hellenic ones (Elysium?) and D&Disms?
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis