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  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”

    What would you guys say is the most obscure album you own? Not counting like, stuff you scoured off of Bandcamp.

    For me it's probably African Head-Charge's Off The Beaten Track. I have no real yardstick for how obscure that actually is, but I've never heard anyone else mention it.

    Physical copy? An album I got from the free pile at a Goth/electronic/industrial record shop in Philly by a band called Das Weeth Experience. There's also a hilariously awful rap mixtape that I pity-bought off of a kid on a bike when I was in high school, but technically that's in a friend's possession now.

    Legally and semi-legally downloaded, there are many more things. The cassettes by Slashing In Your Slumber (dark ritual ambient) and Sufi Mind Game (frenzied noise rock) that I have in my iTunes are probably the most unusual, although I definitely had equally weird if not weirder before my last two hard-drive failures.

    What does "EP" mean?

    ...really?

    Extended Play record. Originally referred to vinyl albums pressed to play back at a slower speed and contain more music than shellac singles, but not to the extent of Long Play records. Usually 10" discs played at 45 RPM while LPs were generally 12" records played at 33 1/3 RPM; older shellac records (usually 10") played at 78 RPM, while later 7" vinyl singles also played at 45.

    Semantically, the distinction between EP and LP simply referred to length: An EP is usually between ten and twenty-five minutes; an LP traditionally was between twenty-five minutes and, say, fifty, or even an hour - as long as you could put on a vinyl record before trashing the sound quality.
  • I know what an LP is (as in the record); I had just not heard of the term "EP" until I saw it used in the name of several game and chiptune albums on places like Groupees and the Game Music Bundle.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    They're not as common because they're hard to market, at least in normal record terms. Online, however, or in specialist circles, it is a fairly practical medium.
  • edited 2014-06-06 11:10:25

    physically prolly Datach'i's weareallwayswellthankyou
  • edited 2014-06-06 12:04:19
    THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    Oops, ninja'd
  • judging by the amount of listeners and ratings for the artist on Last.fm and RYM (and not counting archival releases)

    Surprieze - Zeer Oude Klanken en Heel Nieuwe Geluiden
    Prúdy - Zvoňte zvonky
    Jean Le Fennec- Phantastic
    Les Sinners - Vox Populi
    The Music Asylum - Commit Thyself
    Day of Phoenix - Wide Open N-way
    Clouds - Scrapbook
    Paper Bubble - Scenery
    The Open Window - s/t
    Gulliver's Travels - s/t
    Arica - s/t
    The Travel Agency - s/t
    The Wizards from Kansas - s/t
    Saint Steven - s/t
    Little Free Rock - s/t
    Eden's Children - s/t
    Tripsichord - s/t
    Pacific Ocean - s/t
    Ellie Pop - s/t
    Five Day Rain - s/t
    Paper Garden - s/t
    Ginhouse - s/t
    Tim Hollier - s/t
    Thundertree - s/t
    It's All Meat - s/t
    The Fort Mudge Memorial Dump - s/t
    The Sugar Shoppe - s/t
    The Superfine Dandelion - s/t
    The Hello People - s/t
    The Apple Pie Motherhood Band - s/t
    Jaim - Prophecy Fulfilled
    Underground Sunshine - Let There Be Light
    The Astral Projection - The Astral Scene
    Sapphire Thinkers - From Within
    The Appletree Theatre - Playback
    Earth Island - We Must Survive
    The Merchants of Dream - Strange Night Voyage
    The Griffin - The World's Filled with Love
    Bit 'A Sweet - Hypnotic 1
    News - Hot Off the Press
    Kensington Market - Aardvark
    The HiFi's - Snakes and HiFi's
    The Klan - Join Us
    Louie and the Lovers - Rise
    Fickle Pickle - Sinful Skinful
    The Nova Local - Nova 1
    Bo Grumpus - Before the War
    Jolliver Arkansaw - Home
    Whistler, Chaucer, Detroit and Greenhill - The Unwritten Works of Geoffrey, Etc.
    Bobak, Jons, Malone - Motherlight
    Condello - Phase 1
    Penny Nichols - Penny Arcade
    Tony Kosinec - Processes
    Sheridan & Price - This Is to Certify That
    Flute & Voice - Imaginations of Light
    Galactic Explorers - Epitaph for Venus
    Saddhu Brand - Whole Earth Rhythm
    John Berberian - Middle Eastern Rock
    Hell Preachers Inc. - Supreme Psychedelic Underground
    Research 1-6-12 - In Research
    Die Anderen - Kannibal Komix
    The Mystic Astrologic Crystal Band - Clip-Out, Put-On Book!
    Asylum Choir - Look Inside the Asylum Choir
    The Eclectic Mouse - Everything I've Got
    Glass Prism - Poe Through the Glass Prism
    The National Gallery - Performing Musical Interpretations of the Paintings of Paul Klee
    The Glitterhouse - Color Blind
    Frankie Dymon Jr. - Let It Out
    Dennis Olivieri - Come to the Party
    Entheogens - The Gnostic Mass
    Aleksander Kulisiewicz - Songs from the Depths of Hell
  • edited 2014-06-06 14:44:21

    oh, one album... then yeah, uh, a tie between Zeer Oude Klanken en Heel Nieuwe Geluiden and Gulliver's Travels
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    The Golden Palominos' Visions of Excess would probably qualify as that album for me.
  • For once, or maybe twice, I was in my prime.

    They're not as common because they're hard to market, at least in normal record terms. Online, however, or in specialist circles, it is a fairly practical medium.

    In addition to this, sometimes a band's EPs will be a lot better, or at least more interesting, than their albums. There's no expectation of coherence, so the musician can include weird experiments and flights of fancy that wouldn't fit anywhere else. And with no expectations of length, there's no incentive for the band to include filler.

    Of course, among musicians who release EPs and albums, rare is the one who deliberately saves their best material for the EP. It's more something that happens by accident.
  • There isn't even any good descriptions of sentiments, only comparisons to other songs as frames of reference for certain good feelings ('Is it weird that your [X] reminds me of a Kanye West/Coldplay/Katy Perry/[X] song?')

    This is a problem Jason Derulo has had since his career started, honestly; I thought him and Taio Cruz were initially the same dude (although, in retrospect, Taio displays a hell of a lot more talent than Jason does-- it's telling that one of them is remembered for a song and the other, until recently, only had his signature name shout enter the zeitgeist)
  • this is why school sucks, I never got to post that comment before you all moved past the topic

    stupid exams :P

    while I'm here, go check out Porter Robinson's new singles, they're rad
  • oftentimes electronic producers are at their best on EPs. because most songs come out as singles, and albums are oftentimes more of an obligatory I MADE IT statement or are essentially 1 hour all new material dj mixes, whereas EPs tend to be small suites of related tracks with some remixes maybe
  • perhaps that's why Skrillex's Recess took so long-- Sonny wanted to make his I MADE IT statement a fairly notable one
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Todd in the Shadows made a tweet about how Jason Derulo gets less hate than Bieber and Will i am despite being just as sucky.

    There is a clear reason for this. will.i.am was often creatively bad, and I like some of his songs. Bieber was notable for being a teen idol while not having charisma. Jason Derulo has no notable qualities, other than singing his name in front of generic pop songs.
  • i legitimately have no clue who jason derulo is
  • My dreams exceed my real life

    i legitimately have no clue who jason derulo is

    Exactly.
  • in other news Enya 's Watermark still kicks ass
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    I only know who Derulo is because of Todd in the Shadows. And no, he can't sing his choruses that well ("In My Head" is the only time I know of where he's even tried, instead of relying on a sample to give us the hook).
  • ohhhhhhhh he's the dude who did the talk dirty to me song
  • sampling someone else's dope hook and leaving it untouched is like the absolute nadir of sampling
  • in other, more METAL news the new Mayhem album is out TODAY for all you european peeps and it'll be here stateside on the 10th

    HYYYYYYYPE
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    MetaFour said:

    They're not as common because they're hard to market, at least in normal record terms. Online, however, or in specialist circles, it is a fairly practical medium.

    In addition to this, sometimes a band's EPs will be a lot better, or at least more interesting, than their albums. There's no expectation of coherence, so the musician can include weird experiments and flights of fancy that wouldn't fit anywhere else. And with no expectations of length, there's no incentive for the band to include filler.

    Of course, among musicians who release EPs and albums, rare is the one who deliberately saves their best material for the EP. It's more something that happens by accident.
    This made me think of Helium's Pirate Prude EP. It's a short concept album that tells its story in reverse chronological order. I really like it, particularly the song "Make Me A Vampire Too Baby", which is very creepy and poignant.

    Also basically any release by a group like Alva Noto where there is one fifteen-to-twenty minute track.
  • Alva Noto is one dude

    he is in a few different groups though

    that does reminds me, one of the reasons that electronic music is hard to get into is that most of the important and good stuff never goes onto LPs or albums

    like, Basic Channel is one of the most influential and important techno groups ever and their entire discography is nothing but singles. (*there are two compilation albums, but the only one that came out while the group was still active consisted of 3-6 minute long "radio edits", and the other one was a retrospective that came out 10 years later*)
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    I thought that Alva Noto was two people, but by the same token I was referring to multiple projects there.

    that does reminds me, one of the reasons that electronic music is hard to get into is that most of the important and good stuff never goes onto LPs or albums

    like, Basic Channel is one of the most influential and important techno groups ever and their entire discography is nothing but singles. (*there are two compilation albums, but the only one that came out while the group was still active consisted of 3-6 minute long "radio edits", and the other one was a retrospective that came out 10 years later*)
    So very true.
  • Isn't Quadrant Dub an album? I listened to that last night and thought it was really good.

    Granted it is an album consisting of only two very long tracks, so I suppose one might consider that a single, of a sort.
  • For once, or maybe twice, I was in my prime.
    I'm reminded of how Sufjan Stevens called All Delighted People an EP, not because of its length (it was just shy of an hour long) but because it was just a collection of songs with no intended link between them.

    And how Joy Electric generally uses "EP" to mean "album companion". Resulting in silliness like the Tick Tock Companion EP being longer and more cohesive than the album it was attached to, The Tick Tock Treasury.
  • Quadrant Dub is a 12" single
  • VHS-Head's Persistence of Vision is legitimately one of the best albums I've heard so far this year.

    It's reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally nice. "Red Ocean Apocalypse" in particular is a standout track.

    Discovered by Autechre if that's a plus for anyone.
  • I think the second movement (scherzo) of Chopin's 1st sonata is growing on me now.
  • i liked that one album of theirs i heard

    still don't like autechre that much though for some reason
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Death Grips have dropped a new album. With Björk. Not kidding.
  • im back from my first ever concert
  • im very down with bjork grips i preemptively deem it AOTY without hearing a single note and my mood has improved slightly
  • edited 2014-06-09 04:55:42

    the new clipping. album features a performance of John Cage's Williams Mix, so at long last there finally exists an album which features the talents of both John Cage and Gangsta Boo

    gonna just leave that infonugget there

    also antony bandanorama gave the album a 9/10 so now it's hipster trash i cant listen to
  • also also antonius fantomas DID NOT KNOW THAT WILLIAMS MIX WAS A JOHN CAGE PIECE, further cementing his plebcred
  • edited 2014-06-09 13:32:29
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Someone should point that out.

    But that said, is it technically a performance of that piece or an homage? Because I thought that technically speaking the original Williams Mix was one of a kind.
  • the idea behind Williams Mix is that it can be performed with any set of 8 inch magnetic tapes, the score tells you how to cut up and place the tape
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Ah! That's really cool.

    The coda to midcity was a shout-out to/interpretation of Reich's "Come Out", if I am not mistaken, so it fits.
    I wonder whether it was an actual gap in knowledge or simply an oversight; it's not an essential piece of knowledge, but it does help you contextualise where the band are coming from and how they look at music.
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    cool musicians hanging out
  • So I found a really cool song from a couple years ago where Chamillionaire (probably best known for "Ridin' Dirty") imitates a bunch of other rappers. He does really well with most of the imitations and the rappers are all decently well known (enough that if you have a cursory knowledge of hip-hop you can probably appreciate it) so it should be pretty accessible.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”

    So I found a really cool song from a couple years ago where Chamillionaire (probably best known for "Ridin' Dirty") imitates a bunch of other rappers. He does really well with most of the imitations and the rappers are all decently well known (enough that if you have a cursory knowledge of hip-hop you can probably appreciate it) so it should be pretty accessible.

    That's actually quite impressive.
  • Deafheaven will be in town with Wreck & Reference the day before my b-day and the show is sold out u_u
  • The only one he really slips up on is Snoop Dogg, but Snoop has a one of a kind voice.
  • Some of the rappers imitated kinda date the song too (cannot name the last time anyone cared about Plies).
  • really tho i wanna know how danny brown ended up chilling with the dudes in deafheaven
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Might have had shows in the same area, been fans of each other's work... it's an interesting combo, and I am curious, but I'm not too surprised.
  • edited 2014-06-10 22:39:08

    speaking of deafheaven and other musicians
    Zardonic said:

    What's with all the hate? I find this pretty similar to Enslaved. I think it's actually the shoegazers and hipsters who don't understand what they're listening to. This is black metal, love it or loathe it. The only difference is the chords. I'm hearing a lot of major 7ths here as opposed to the usual minor 3rds and diminished 5ths. And that, in my book, makes it interesting enough.

    Perhaps you need a bit of Ved Buens Ende, Virus, Enslaved, Shining and Agalloch to understand where this sound truly comes from.

    Zardonic sums up my feelings on things
  • edited 2014-06-10 22:48:33

    though if i were listing obvious influences i would have included Weakling and WITTR but i don't blame the due for missing Weakling because they're uber obscure

    amusing factoid: Weakling's only album was released on tUMULt records
  • we need more metal heapers who will talk with me about metal things
  • My dreams exceed my real life

    we need more metal heapers who will talk with me about metal things

    AI is not advanced enough to create a heaper robot.
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