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Justice4243 · 2013-12-05 21:01:50

Honestly at this point, bronies are their own worst enemies.

Having seen season 3 in pieces roughly half a dozen time or more thanks to my daughter, I can assure everyone that, while not up to the standards of season 1 or 2, to declare it some sort of end to quality, pony related content is pretty ridiculous.

Tachyon · 2013-12-05 21:02:34

i guess there was a part of me that hoped the fandom was better than it turned out to be

the whole experience was highly disillusioning

Justice4243 · 2013-12-05 21:04:30

The fandom is huge, though.

I mean, from what perspective can you say you have a good handle on how the majority acts?

At this size there's no way bronies are going to be free of bad eggs.

Tachyon · 2013-12-05 21:05:39

i guess i shouldn't really blame the fandom

i just went off the show and that's that; it just stopped being fun for me

if i'm honest, it was also uncomfortable realizing that bronies had gone from being mildly comical to being the most reviled fandom on the Internet

it was like every unkind remark i've ever made about furries or otherkin coming back to bite me

Justice4243 · 2013-12-05 21:10:24

I can't help but think how reviled any given fandom is can be traced pretty proportionately to how large it is.

It's not like the internet wasn't decrying the Homestuck fandom moments before MLP:FiM made the scene. Hell, they've turned being loathed into a joke.

Not to derail the current conversation, but I saw this on Derpibooru, and Ima post it:

Justice4243 · 2013-12-05 21:11:40

Note that adjustments the how reviled the fandom is can go up for how closely related it is to furry culture.

Ahhh...

"The more things change..." and all that jazz...

Tachyon · 2013-12-05 21:13:50

Homestuck was actually good tho

that said i lost interest in that one too

i keep meaning to pick it up again but i can never bring myself to do it

but at this point i figure i'll just wait until the last update gets posted

Justice4243 · 2013-12-05 21:14:36

Tachyon said:
Homestuck was actually good tho

> Implying that Ponies are not actually good.

Tachyon · 2013-12-05 21:15:24

that is exactly what i was implying, well done

Tachyon · 2013-12-05 21:17:31

i enjoyed it very much for a while, i'll admit it

Equestria Girls was the last straw

Justice4243 · 2013-12-05 21:19:26

^^The "I'm upset because I was temporarily insane." isn't really a good position to be arguing from if you're trying to foster balanced and intelligent conversation.

I mean, you basically just suggested those of us who still like the show or even still like certain aspects of it are executing poor judgement.

Justice4243 · 2013-12-05 21:21:49

Tachyon said:
i enjoyed it very much for a while, i'll admit it

Equestria Girls was the last straw

While I can accept you and I have different perspectives on the series, I don't see why something that's basically three episodes worth of content, even with taken with all of season 3 suddenly means the series as a whole needs to be abandoned.

Tachyon · 2013-12-05 21:22:00

i'm not looking for an argument, i was simply stating, perhaps a little facetiously, that i don't think MLP:FiM is actually very good

also, what are you talking about? i never said i was insane o_O

Justice4243 · 2013-12-05 21:23:39

Tachyon said:
i'm not looking for an argument, i was simply stating, perhaps a little facetiously, that i don't think MLP:FiM is actually very good

also, what are you talking about? i never said i was insane o_O

I posted that before your second reply, which sort of paints your perspective differently.

Obā-san · 2013-12-05 21:24:29

looking back on it

MLP was very good for a show aimed at people under the age of 8.

I was impressed by that.

I then rewatched the episodes and i realized that "very good for people under the age of 8" does not mean "good"

Tachyon · 2013-12-05 21:26:51

Pangur Bán said:
"very good for people under the age of 8" does not mean "good"

basically

or at least, it might be good, but there are plenty of other things more worth spending time on

with regards to Equestria Girls, while i can appreciate that it was only a single movie, i found it offputting nevertheless, and it did kill some of the charm for me

Justice4243 · 2013-12-05 21:27:33

As someone whose married to someone else who still sees plenty of good in the series, I'm fine with standing by the assertion that it's a good show without having to qualify my statement.

It's not perfect, and as something that's aimed at younger audiences it's ham fisted at times, but it's still entertaining and clever in a way many shows wish they can be.

Obā-san · 2013-12-05 21:27:54

ultimately that lack of quality was not a big deal for me, as my friends liked it and the fans were fun and made cool stuff.

but ones the fans were no longer fun and the good/bad stuff ratio took a turn for the worse there was no appeal anymore

Justice4243 · 2013-12-05 21:31:29

I could kinda see the good/bad ration up until I figured out how to work the filters to my advantage in Derpibooru, now everything is awesome~!

Well, what tends to get featured in FimFiction still gets my skin crawling, but my own work is popular enough that it doesn't bug me that much.

Tachyon · 2013-12-05 21:31:32

i never found the fans much fun, i'm a little ashamed to admit

i tend to have a low opinion of fandoms, and avoid them whenever possible

there was a point when bronies became too irritating for me to easily ignore, however

Justice4243 · 2013-12-05 21:34:07

I can't help but wonder what you all mean by this ominous group of "fans" you all speak of.

You, me, a great portion of the people on this fora were and are "the fans".

I don't know about you guys, but I never wrote a scathing reply on someone's posted image of their red and black O.C. made in pony creator.

Tachyon · 2013-12-05 21:36:11

... >_<

i don't mean you guys

it was more the tumblr and youtube crowd that pissed me off

do we have to fight about this?

Tachyon · 2013-12-05 21:37:05

also when i say i avoid fandoms, i mean i tend not to frequent fansites, not that i run screaming whenever anyone professes to liking something

Bee · 2013-12-05 21:40:17

Justice4243 · 2013-12-05 21:40:24

Tachyon said:... >_<

i don't mean you guys

it was more the tumblr and youtube crowd that pissed me off

do we have to fight about this?

I know you didn't mean to include us, but honestly, I'm a little perturbed that there's even a notion there's a tumblr and youtube crowd that are to be avoided or somehow ruined things for everyone.

There can just as easily be a TvTropes crowd, or heck, a Heaper's crowd if the tables where turned, and I'm vehemently opposed to this notion we can group people based on mutual likes and similar web-sites and cast judgement on them.

Tachyon · 2013-12-05 21:41:59

on TVT i tended to avoid the main pony thread

HH is a small website with few regulars, so it doesn't get swamped with whiny bickering hordes

Justice4243 · 2013-12-05 21:42:13

Bee said:

Not the time.

If you want to break this out, wait until Bobby and I find ourselves on opposite sides of a religious/philosophical debate and have to start throwing logic notation at each other.

Tachyon · 2013-12-05 21:42:55

let me just state for the record that i do not dislike you, nor am i attacking anyone else on this site

Justice4243 · 2013-12-05 21:44:16

Tachyon said:
on TVT i tended to avoid the main pony thread

HH is a small website with few regulars, so it doesn't get swamped with whiny bickering hordes

But are those "hordes" really a good indication of the fandom as whole?

That's basically the point I'm trying to make here.

Know one is going to argue that their aren't communities that foster a sort of negative behavior within the fandom, but I don't think it's fair to take a group as nebulous and large as "Bronies" and start using tumblr, youtube, or /mlp/ is a metric.

Tachyon · 2013-12-05 21:44:48

also i already admitted that i was wrong to blame the fans for my own falling-out-of-love with the programme

like way back at the top of the page

Tachyon · 2013-12-05 21:46:10

look i don't care if there are nice and decent people who are also bronies

i'm sure there are

there were just enough irritating people in the fandom, who at one point seemed to be everywhere, that i became irritated

Justice4243 · 2013-12-05 21:47:15

Tachyon said:
let me just state for the record that i do not dislike you, nor am i attacking anyone else on this site

I know you well enough to know that was never your intention.

I'm just not really happy about this idea that it's okay to decry large groups of people, or perhaps more accurately, to make personal decisions based on the (admittedly high profile) actions of a few or a large group within the group.

Tachyon · 2013-12-05 21:49:45

the only 'personal decision' i posted about was my no longer watching a particular children's tv show

Justice4243 · 2013-12-05 21:50:25

Also, I'm posting this because it's hilarious:

Tachyon · 2013-12-05 21:52:12

poor Angel

Justice4243 · 2013-12-05 21:54:35

Tachyon said:
the only 'personal decision' i posted about was my no longer watching a particular children's tv show

We've got a couple conversations that have sort of crossed over.

And that's fine and that's your decision, even if I don't personally believe a mediocre season or bad movie can make the ongoing series irredeemable to the point where I stop enjoying it.

But there's also this sort of notion going around that the fans have somehow wrecked it, which I can't really abide by since I don't really see any sort of critical mass outside the sort of nonsense fandoms always blunder into when they get of a large enough size.

Tachyon · 2013-12-05 21:56:50

bronies are not the only fandom to have irritated me, not by a long shot

and i didn't even think S3 was as bad as people were saying it was, i just kind of... lost the patience to keep watching, i guess

i'm done with this thread, i think

Justice4243 · 2013-12-05 21:59:12

Your call.

I'm not trying to antagonize you or anything, but as someone whose been put into a position where he's had to watch many of the things that people have left the series for, I can't really help but feel that people ( myself included) were making a much bigger deal of this than we had to.

Obā-san · 2013-12-05 22:00:27

Fans can't really wreck a show unless it's like an ascended fanperson calling the shots somehow.

Fans can ruin a fandom though.

Justice4243 · 2013-12-05 22:00:28

Anyways, anyone who didn't like this page can have this one on the house:

Justice4243 · 2013-12-05 22:01:55

Pangur Bán said:
Fans can't really wreck a show unless it's like an ascended fanperson calling the shots somehow.

Fans can ruin a fandom though.

I think a fandoms only hope is to stay small enough that it doesn't attract too many undesirables, whatever that may mean to anyone of the fandom or looking in.

Homestuck and MLP:FiM are too large for their own good, in that sense.

Tachyon · 2013-12-05 22:02:05

well, i guess one final clarification

at one point, bronies seemed remarkable in being a fandom that didn't irritate me in the slightest, which was all the more remarkable given that they were fans of MLP

so i guess my expectations were ludicrously high, but they failed to live up to them, and that was disappointing

the exact same thing happened with Homestuck, as a matter of fact

Justice4243 · 2013-12-05 22:08:19

I hit my teens while in the Sonic fandom during the sort of infant-hood of the internet.

It was smaller, and simply better about keeping the horribleness under wraps then.

Now it's larger and not very good of keeping the horribleness under wraps, but it was as ever full of sexually depraved lunatics and attention starved writers shoving their Mary Sues into fan-fiction.

I guess I don't really set expectations about fandoms or even groups of people at this point...

Mr. Darcy · 2013-12-05 22:10:32

Pangur Bán said:
looking back on it

MLP was very good for a show aimed at people under the age of 8.

I was impressed by that.

I then rewatched the episodes and i realized that "very good for people under the age of 8" does not mean "good"

Anything worth reading at 8 is still worth reading at 38, to paraphrase C.S. Lewis.

Maybe that doesn't hold for mass media like TV, but if not, I'd be curious why.

Justice4243 · 2013-12-05 22:13:43

I would agree with this.

I mean, there are things I loved as a child that I realize are garbage now, but also things that I realize are still quite good.

As I said, I'm fine with accepting the notion that I think MLP:FiM is simply good on it's own merit.

Bunny · 2013-12-05 22:13:44

I, for one, would like to say that I still find the show to be a quality one.

Justice4243 · 2013-12-05 22:15:40

For instance, I declared to my co-workers that I still liked the 1985 Transformers movie and one of them assured me that it was simply a good film.

Maybe I'm lucky or cursed, but nostalgia tends to crash and burn if I go back and watch something and it turns out it was shit gravy.

Justice4243 · 2013-12-05 22:16:33

More random photos:

Obā-san · 2013-12-05 22:23:55

Mr. Darcy said:

Pangur Bán said:
looking back on it

MLP was very good for a show aimed at people under the age of 8.

I was impressed by that.

I then rewatched the episodes and i realized that "very good for people under the age of 8" does not mean "good"

Anything worth reading at 8 is still worth reading at 38, to paraphrase C.S. Lewis.

Maybe that doesn't hold for mass media like TV, but if not, I'd be curious why.

There are many books that i read and cherished as a child which, while wonderful in terms of plot, pacing and creativity, were painful upon rereading due to the fact that they were written for an 8 year old.

Come to think of it, the only books i read at that age that I can still stomach are Flatland and Gulliver's Travels, which were both written well before "children's books" were a thing.

Princess Alice · 2013-12-05 22:24:18

Justice4243 said:
Also, I'm posting this because it's hilarious:

I love how Fluttershy is angrily chasing down Discord.

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