Let me tell you what is happening in this picture, because you’d think the pope is just blessing a random believer. But no.
This picture was actually taken the day before yesterday and the Pope is blessing Rebecca Kadaga.
Rebecca Kadaga is a politician from Uganda. She promised to pass a anti-gay bill, also known and internationally condamned as ‘Kill The Gays’, which would punish homosexuality with death penalty. She’d like it to be a ‘Christmas present’ to her country. You can sign the petitions against the bill here and here.
But things got loud today, after the pope said that gay marriage “consists in an offense against human nature, a deep wound inflicted to justice and peace.”
This resulted in the very first collective reaction from Italians against the homophobia and pure, blinded hate spread by the church.
At the moment we’re trending #vergognasulpapa (shame on the pope) on Twitter and it is already the 4th top trend of the country.
They tell us Italy is a secular state, but it never acts like one.
Many people are really sick and tired, but just as many follow the church’s ‘example’.
Last month, Andrea, a 15 year old from Rome killed himself because bullies at school were making his life a living hell because they thought he was gay.
The Vatican website ‘pontifex’ (same name the pope uses for his Twitter account) wrote an article and suggested that Andrea ‘should have been cured’.
We still don’t even have a law against homophobia.
Please, join us! Use your own voice, spread the news, make a post, tweet #vergognasulpapa or write it in your own language…whatever you do, just don’t let this go unnoticed.
It only takes a 2/3 vote to get a Pope elected. Not everyone has to like him.
And saying the Catholic church has done more harm than good is ridiculous. Think of all the advances in science, mathematics, medicine, and art we wouldn't have had without it.
The Catholic church, for a very long time, only ever hindered science, and I don't believe that it has contributed very much to the discipline. It may have been the driving force of literacy and education in Europe in the middle ages but that is because it was the most powerful entity in Europe, and during that time it did terrible things.
You don't know what you're talking about, so stop talking.
The Church's specific stances on scientific and artistic matters depended largely on who was the Pope at the time. They still do, though not to as nearly a great an extent.
Catholicism has acted on both sides of the intelligence border. The intelligence jumprope. The intelligence whitewashed fence. The intelligence forcefield, so to speak.
You can point to the fact that monks were responsible for much of the literature of the Middle Ages. But, I can point to Galileo, and the fact that it took hundreds of years for the Church to say 'okay, okay, he was right'.
Doctor Who reference in Pokemon B2W2? Headcanon accepted.
The Catholic church makes me upset too. That's not a reason to go high-and-mighty over someone else's religion, especially when Kexruct here was being conceding about a perceived fault with the church in the first place.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
Catholicism has acted on both sides of the intelligence border. The intelligence jumprope. The intelligence whitewashed fence. The intelligence forcefield, so to speak.
You can point to the fact that monks were responsible for much of the literature of the Middle Ages. But, I can point to Galileo, and the fact that it took hundreds of years for the Church to say 'okay, okay, he was right'.
Galileo's theories came saddled with the idea that tides worked because of the earth rotating around the sun and he decided lampooning the Pope at the same time was a great idea. The whole "The Catholic Church persecuted Galileo because his science correctly showed the earth revolved around the sun and contradicted the Bible!" is a gross oversimplification which has somehow endured for so long.
It's generally agreed by historians that Galileo didn't actually mean to lampoon the Pope and that this was a communication error. He was apparently shocked by how badly that dialogue was received, and prior to that the Pope had been fairly tolerant of him so he stood to gain nothing by alienating him.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
Well he he was right about SOME things, but when you want your book to be called "Dialogue on the Two Chief World Systems the Dialogue on the Ebb and Flow of the Sea." and you're actually wrong about how tides work it's kinda hard to declare complete success.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
It's generally agreed by historians that Galileo didn't actually mean to lampoon the Pope and that this was a communication error. He was apparently shocked by how badly that dialogue was received, and prior to that the Pope had been fairly tolerant of him so he stood to gain nothing by alienating him.
Still, this demonstrates that there was a lot more going on than, "GALILEO CONTRADICT BIBLE! POPE SMASH!"
True, but real life controversies are rarely that simple.
As for the tides thing, Kepler hypothesized that the moon was causing the tides, but Galileo dismissed that idea because he thought his observations already accounted for them.
Galileo was still right about the Earth going around the sun, though, and that was the theory closely based on scientific observation, and which was denounced as a heresy, and which he was imprisoned for and required to renounce on pain of death.
But that is essentially what happened. Galileo was correct and the religious authorities did not want him to be right.
I'm going to demonstrate what you're boiling this issue down to, in dramatic form.
CHARACTERS:
Pope Urban VIII: An evil, evil man who liked nothing more than halting scientific progress, twirling his mustache, and torturing kittens.
Pope's lackey, Dave: The pope's loyal servant.
Galileo: A noble man who seeks nothing more than the truth, cruelly martyred by an oppressive theocracy.
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SCENE 1
(DAVE runs in, bows before POPE)
DAVE: Your Holiness, there appears to be someone supporting the pursuit of knowledge!
POPE: Knowledge?! Everyone knows intellectual pursuits run counter to the beliefs of the Church. (strokes mustache evilly) I won't be having with this.
(Exeunt omnes)
----
SCENE 2
(GALILEO enters, shackled, and throws himself before the cruel and oppressive POPE.)
GALILEO: I seek only to spread knowledge.
POPE: Fool! You should have known how sinful your "correct" ideas are. If the people become intelligent, they will realize the truth that there is no God, and then I will be nothing! Guards, take him away!
But that is essentially what happened. Galileo was correct and the religious authorities did not want him to be right.
I'm going to demonstrate what you're boiling this issue down to, in dramatic form.
CHARACTERS:
Pope Urban VIII: An evil, evil man who liked nothing more than halting scientific progress, twirling his mustache, and torturing kittens.
Pope's lackey, Dave: The pope's loyal servant.
Galileo: A noble man who seeks nothing more than the truth, cruelly martyred by an oppressive theocracy.
----
SCENE 1
(DAVE runs in, bows before POPE)
DAVE: Your Holiness, there appears to be someone supporting the pursuit of knowledge!
POPE: Knowledge?! Everyone knows intellectual pursuits run counter to the beliefs of the Church. (strokes mustache evilly) I won't be having with this.
(Exeunt omnes)
----
SCENE 2
(GALILEO enters, shackled, and throws himself before the cruel and oppressive POPE.)
GALILEO: I seek only to spread knowledge.
POPE: Fool! You should have known how sinful your "correct" ideas are. If the people become intelligent, they will realize the truth that there is no God, and then I will be nothing! Guards, take him away!
But that is essentially what happened. Galileo was correct and the religious authorities did not want him to be right.
I'm going to demonstrate what you're boiling this issue down to, in dramatic form.
CHARACTERS:
Pope Urban VIII: An evil, evil man who liked nothing more than halting scientific progress, twirling his mustache, and torturing kittens.
Pope's lackey, Dave: The pope's loyal servant.
Galileo: A noble man who seeks nothing more than the truth, cruelly martyred by an oppressive theocracy.
----
SCENE 1
(DAVE runs in, bows before POPE)
DAVE: Your Holiness, there appears to be someone supporting the pursuit of knowledge!
POPE: Knowledge?! Everyone knows intellectual pursuits run counter to the beliefs of the Church. (strokes mustache evilly) I won't be having with this.
(Exeunt omnes)
----
SCENE 2
(GALILEO enters, shackled, and throws himself before the cruel and oppressive POPE.)
GALILEO: I seek only to spread knowledge.
POPE: Fool! You should have known how sinful your "correct" ideas are. If the people become intelligent, they will realize the truth that there is no God, and then I will be nothing! Guards, take him away!
Incidentally, why are we talking about 17th century controversies like they have any direct bearing upon recent events? It's not like any of the same people are involved, and besides, society has changed a lot since then.
Incidentally, why are we talking about 17th century controversies like they have any direct bearing upon recent events? It's not like any of the same people are involved, and besides, society has changed a lot since then.
We're doing it because Cream is talking like he understands Catholicism, even though he doesn't, which would be a little more bearable if he wasn't condemning it.
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Iguanas are boss little creatures. My biology teacher in high school had one named Schleppy, unfortunately she has since died, as I understand it.
Also I saw a chameleon for sale the other day but I have to imagine they're hard to take care of.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
IIRC papal infallibility only applies to statements on moral issues made after a certain ceremony.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
You can point to the fact that monks were responsible for much of the literature of the Middle Ages. But, I can point to Galileo, and the fact that it took hundreds of years for the Church to say 'okay, okay, he was right'.
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
i get so angry sometimes i just punch plankton --Klinotaxis
As for the tides thing, Kepler hypothesized that the moon was causing the tides, but Galileo dismissed that idea because he thought his observations already accounted for them.
Galileo was still right about the Earth going around the sun, though, and that was the theory closely based on scientific observation, and which was denounced as a heresy, and which he was imprisoned for and required to renounce on pain of death.
We should put on this play.
Justice can be the Pope.
also which pope was it because I forget.
memory wants to say one of the Bonifaci.