People who believe that all that Sermon on the Mount stuff doesn't apply to modern Christians, who can only be saved by faith and the grace of God, but it will apply to the thousand year reign of Christ on earth after the Second Coming
im under the impression that being saved through grace is (generally) supposed to mean that when you accept god's grace it leads you to doing good deeds, which are ultimately good but have no bearing on your salvation, not that you just go "yo, J man, give me some of that there grace" and then jesusbubbleheadthumbsup.jpg and then you're like like "ok lol cool gonna swindle orphans"
im under the impression that being saved through grace is (generally) supposed to mean that when you accept god's grace it leads you to doing good deeds, which are ultimately good but have no bearing on your salvation, not that you just go "yo, J man, give me some of that there grace" and then jesusbubbleheadthumbsup.jpg and then you're like like "ok lol cool gonna swindle orphans"
I mean yes, that is the general assumption. It isn't SUPPOSED to be a go-ahead to be shitty
On the other hand very few of these people are very charitable and Christlike, in my experience
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
I notice Twitter puts the verified symbol everywhere a verified account's name shows up now
It's kind of distracting, though I guess they did it to help cut down on the effectiveness of Obvious Fake Accounts
the thing that confuses me about the differences between christian denominations, and how they look at this stuff is
i have a hard time imagining that a wise and just god would be like "ok, you accepted jesus christ as your lord and savior, and tried to lead a good life, but you had an incomplete/inaccurate understanding of a fairly complicated theological issue so get reckd lol"?
the thing that confuses me about the differences between christian denominations, and how they look at this stuff is
i have a hard time imagining that a wise and just god would be like "ok, you accepted jesus christ as your lord and savior, and tried to lead a good life, but you had an incomplete/inaccurate understanding of a fairly complicated theological issue so get reckd lol"?
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
My phone died on me while I was at court, leaving me with no way to contact Grandma, who freaked out when she hadn't heard from me in several hours.
So...anyone have suggestions for where to buy a USB power bank? I think it's time I picked one up...
the thing that confuses me about the differences between christian denominations, and how they look at this stuff is
i have a hard time imagining that a wise and just god would be like "ok, you accepted jesus christ as your lord and savior, and tried to lead a good life, but you had an incomplete/inaccurate understanding of a fairly complicated theological issue so get reckd lol"?
not that I"m "really" a christian anymore but you get what I mean
also there is like this passage in the bible where Jesus SAYS "no one is gonna know when I show up next so don't bother guessing" and people still guess
not that I"m "really" a christian anymore but you get what I mean
also there is like this passage in the bible where Jesus SAYS "no one is gonna know when I show up next so don't bother guessing" and people still guess
i honestly would be more strongly considering christianity if it werent for the fact that every single "well actually this bit in the bible that looks like it condemns homosexuality ACTUALLY means" argument feels exactly like watching someone tying themselves in rhetorical knots trying to get out of a corner in a bad internet argument they've worked themselves into
i honestly would be more strongly considering christianity if it werent for the fact that every single "well actually this bit in the bible that looks like it condemns homosexuality ACTUALLY means" argument feels exactly like watching someone tying themselves in rhetorical knots trying to get out of a corner in a bad internet argument they've worked themselves into
all of the stuff that gets taken as anti-gay is in the old testament anyway
I once heard an anecdote of a working-class British man who decided to work his way through the Bible and decided that since the whole thing had been chronological up til then, Jesus must have lived and died four times Groundhog Day style and the events of the Book of John were what finally freed him to move on.
I mean, the actual wording in the original Hebrew is more like, "Pederasty is bad and we don't do that, mmmkay?" but that's somewhat beside the point given that Deuteronomy and Leviticus are barely applicable to modern Judaism and Christianity to begin with.
im under the impression that being saved through grace is (generally) supposed to mean that when you accept god's grace it leads you to doing good deeds, which are ultimately good but have no bearing on your salvation, not that you just go "yo, J man, give me some of that there grace" and then jesusbubbleheadthumbsup.jpg and then you're like like "ok lol cool gonna swindle orphans"
i know, and yet i fucking hate the thing (mostly because of the "but what if i don't want to love my neighbor" aspect in what i was responding to)
the thing that confuses me about the differences between christian denominations, and how they look at this stuff is
i have a hard time imagining that a wise and just god would be like "ok, you accepted jesus christ as your lord and savior, and tried to lead a good life, but you had an incomplete/inaccurate understanding of a fairly complicated theological issue so get reckd lol"?
This has always confused me as well... and then I learned a little about Judaism. in Judaism, as far as i understand, God is an incredibly arbitrary deification of bureaucratic nightmare. Really what flipped on the light in my head is reading about kosher locusts. You see, Leviticus says pretty clearly that locusts are kosher to eat:
20 “‘All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be regarded as unclean by you. 21 There are, however, some flying insects that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. 22 Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper. 23 But all other flying insects that have four legs you are to regard as unclean.
but it's not quite clear which locusts are okay. i mean, "all fours"? what?
sooooo the general practice, or halakha, is that - for all kosher food, not just locusts - what actually counts as kosher is based on a continuous tradition. that is, if your kind of jew has a tradition of eating certain kinds of locusts, you can eat em. if you don't have such a tradition, no locust is kosher.
as it happens some yemenite jews have such a tradition, and the okay locusts are based on finding the character 'chet' on their underside. or something.
point is that's all nuts. and it's not just that, there's like, shabbat elevators. or eruv, where you tie ropes around your town in a specific way so that the town's area counts as "inside" in a legalistic sense so that you can do certain things on sabbath days.
just like, the ultimate bureaucracy. and they talk less about god's love and stuff too. it's just like, god says this. obviously we have to follow, he's god. we have no right or ability to question. it's a self-consistent worldview, if you ask me, if also terrifying.
then christianity happens. Christians are not quite as heavy on this. Christians talk about universal love and being saved and yadda yadda yadda. By itself that's fine, but it's kind of bolted onto Judaism. So you end up with this religion based on human values of peace, tolerance, self-sacrifice, but also Leviticus is still canon. These two tendencies don't mesh... very well... at all... and you know how it goes. On the compassion end of things you have hippie dippie types, and on the bureaucratic end of things there's Jack Chick explaining very clearly that it doesn't fucking matter how many orphans you saved if you don't accept Christ. In the middle is most christians, wondering whether unbaptized babies actually go to hell.
well, that's my attempt to make sense of the culture surrounding me anyway
I once heard an anecdote of a working-class British man who decided to work his way through the Bible and decided that since the whole thing had been chronological up til then, Jesus must have lived and died four times Groundhog Day style and the events of the Book of John were what finally freed him to move on.
this man was the greatest theologian who ever lived imho
Reform and Reconstructionist Judaism and most Conservative schools are pretty liberal with the application of halakha and don't do stuff like the eruv wire thing or exploiting sabbath work technicalities. That's strictly Orthodox and primarily a Hassid or Haredi thing.
And yes, kashrut varies on the tradition you were born into. A lot of more secular Jews mostly just don't care, or simply refrain from pork and shellfish and certain meat products because it's tradition and tripe is kind of gross.
I feel weird having to explain this. This must be what it's like being the token religious minority anywhere. I rarely have that feeling but, mein Gott, I'm surrounded by goyim here.
Reform and Reconstructionist Judaism and most Conservative schools are pretty liberal with the application of halakha and don't do stuff like the eruv wire thing or exploiting sabbath work technicalities. That's strictly Orthodox and primarily a Hassid or Haredi thing.
And yes, kashrut varies on the tradition you were born into. A lot of more secular Jews mostly just don't care, or simply refrain from pork and shellfish and certain meat products because it's tradition and tripe is kind of gross.
oh yeah i know. but as far as i can tell orthodox judaism is, actually, orthodox, you know? but most people don't live like that because, again, nuts
Reform and Reconstructionist Judaism and most Conservative schools are pretty liberal with the application of halakha and don't do stuff like the eruv wire thing or exploiting sabbath work technicalities. That's strictly Orthodox and primarily a Hassid or Haredi thing.
honestly reading this thing on the elevators i think they're missing out
because like
finding dumb-as-fuck ways to bend rules is my favorite thing in the entire universe
I feel weird having to explain this. This must be what it's like being the token religious minority anywhere. I rarely have that feeling but, mein Gott, I'm surrounded by goyim here.
srsly do i come off as naive enough to actual judaism that it seems like i'm asserting woody allen does this
Reform and Reconstructionist Judaism and most Conservative schools are pretty liberal with the application of halakha and don't do stuff like the eruv wire thing or exploiting sabbath work technicalities. That's strictly Orthodox and primarily a Hassid or Haredi thing.
honestly reading this thing on the elevators i think they're missing out
because like
finding dumb-as-fuck ways to bend rules is my favorite thing in the entire universe
The only Reconstructionist seminary in the United States, and I think one of the only ones in the world, was several blocks from my high school, across the street from a nearby arboretum. They donated a lot of money to NPR.
Reconstructionists are extremely liberal, but I can't say that I actually met all that many. They're a small sect.
^ You don't. I just feel confused when I'm in a position to clarify *anything* about my family's religion.
I also never use "goyim" unironically. Snotty Orthodox people do that a lot and it has this contemptuous tone that I really don't care for.
despite being an american who grew up in a 90% white town i have probably met more muslims or hindus irl than jews. probably more jews than sikhs, though.
also full disclosure i only heard of eruv from the yiddish policeman's union
Reform and Reconstructionist Judaism and most Conservative schools are pretty liberal with the application of halakha and don't do stuff like the eruv wire thing or exploiting sabbath work technicalities. That's strictly Orthodox and primarily a Hassid or Haredi thing.
honestly reading this thing on the elevators i think they're missing out
because like
finding dumb-as-fuck ways to bend rules is my favorite thing in the entire universe
It's hypocritical for people who look down their noses at folks who wear mixed linens to do that, though, and kind of reinforces my unease with their particular blend of "piety." That Haredim also tend to be creepily insular and vaguely racist doesn't help matters.
I'm not a fan of Ultra-Orthodoxy, if you couldn't tell... >~>
I knew a lot of Hindus and Muslims at my school, mostly South Asian obviously, but I knew a lot more Jews of various races. Also a handful of Sikhs, a scattering of Mormons and, I kid you not, a family of black Buddhists.
I am pretty sure I knew everyone's affiliation down to denomination in high school. Almost all various kinds of Christian, the occasional atheist or agnostic.
there was a lot of weird tension between Protestants and Catholics at my school (and the handful of Orthodox kids who tended to get lumped in with us).
I got called a cultist couple times, pretty weird.
Also the school board was pretty much controlled by one of the local churches--I know that it's called Christ The Saviour but I don't know the specific denomination, some kind of baptist I think--and they at one point tried and nearly succeeded to ban wearing the color black at school. It's a mark of Satan, you see.
I remember that there was this one girl from Morocco in my English class and she wrote an essay about coming to the US as part of an assignment and it was really good.
Laestadianism is actually new to me. Which is funny, because my mom went to a Schwenkfelder Sunday school, and that's a much tinier Christian sect, and furthermore because of how many Lutheran institutions there are around here.
Also, forgot Orthodox. Pretty sure we had a decent number of Eastern Orthodox kids. There was also an Oriental Orthodox church within walking distance of my house—Armenian Apostolic, specifically—but I'm not sure how often that came up. Oh, and my mom's cousin's wife was from an Eastern Catholic family, although she's an atheist.
Laestadianism is actually new to me. Which is funny, because my mom went to a Schwenkfelder Sunday school, and that's a much tinier Christian sect, and furthermore because of how many Lutheran institutions there are around here.
there's some immigration history i'm largely unaware of.
there were russian orthodox peeps around too, now that i think about it. much more recent immigration
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i have a hard time imagining that a wise and just god would be like "ok, you accepted jesus christ as your lord and savior, and tried to lead a good life, but you had an incomplete/inaccurate understanding of a fairly complicated theological issue so get reckd lol"?
sooooo the general practice, or halakha, is that - for all kosher food, not just locusts - what actually counts as kosher is based on a continuous tradition. that is, if your kind of jew has a tradition of eating certain kinds of locusts, you can eat em. if you don't have such a tradition, no locust is kosher.
as it happens some yemenite jews have such a tradition, and the okay locusts are based on finding the character 'chet' on their underside. or something.
point is that's all nuts. and it's not just that, there's like, shabbat elevators. or eruv, where you tie ropes around your town in a specific way so that the town's area counts as "inside" in a legalistic sense so that you can do certain things on sabbath days.
just like, the ultimate bureaucracy. and they talk less about god's love and stuff too. it's just like, god says this. obviously we have to follow, he's god. we have no right or ability to question. it's a self-consistent worldview, if you ask me, if also terrifying.
then christianity happens. Christians are not quite as heavy on this. Christians talk about universal love and being saved and yadda yadda yadda. By itself that's fine, but it's kind of bolted onto Judaism. So you end up with this religion based on human values of peace, tolerance, self-sacrifice, but also Leviticus is still canon. These two tendencies don't mesh... very well... at all... and you know how it goes. On the compassion end of things you have hippie dippie types, and on the bureaucratic end of things there's Jack Chick explaining very clearly that it doesn't fucking matter how many orphans you saved if you don't accept Christ. In the middle is most christians, wondering whether unbaptized babies actually go to hell.
well, that's my attempt to make sense of the culture surrounding me anyway
And yes, kashrut varies on the tradition you were born into. A lot of more secular Jews mostly just don't care, or simply refrain from pork and shellfish and certain meat products because it's tradition and tripe is kind of gross.
because like
finding dumb-as-fuck ways to bend rules is my favorite thing in the entire universe
Reconstructionists are extremely liberal, but I can't say that I actually met all that many. They're a small sect.
^ You don't. I just feel confused when I'm in a position to clarify *anything* about my family's religion.
I also never use "goyim" unironically. Snotty Orthodox people do that a lot and it has this contemptuous tone that I really don't care for.
also full disclosure i only heard of eruv from the yiddish policeman's union
I'm not a fan of Ultra-Orthodoxy, if you couldn't tell... >~>
dont think i really knew anyones religious affiliations growing up?
the school nurse at my high school was catholic
i had a christian friend (i gave him a hard time over it)
(*shrug*)
kinda lonely, big-ish general classes
Also, forgot Orthodox. Pretty sure we had a decent number of Eastern Orthodox kids. There was also an Oriental Orthodox church within walking distance of my house—Armenian Apostolic, specifically—but I'm not sure how often that came up. Oh, and my mom's cousin's wife was from an Eastern Catholic family, although she's an atheist.
i dont think ive ever knowingly encountered an orthodox person in real life? or online
there were russian orthodox peeps around too, now that i think about it. much more recent immigration