I actually like flawless heroes and virtue-less villains. But, then again, I like absolutes. They are comforting in their solidness. That's not a way to accurately perceive reality, because reality has almost no absolutes, but this is fiction.
i dunno, i think villains who are purely evil for its own sake without any kind of reason or motive seem kind of unrealistic, about on par with flawless heroes
This is true but I think it's sort of a flawed logic in that it revolves around realism being the point.
Oftentimes I think stories would be served well by being less realistic.
It makes sense in stories where Good and Evil are tangible forces instead of vague abstracts.
Flawless heroes and flawed heroes have their place.
In my story, I like greys, to a extent. There should characters who are good despite their flaws and characters that are bad despite their virtues. They should not always be on opposite sides
Acererak said: Queen Poison said:i dunno, i think villains who are purely evil for its own sake without any kind of reason or motive seem kind of unrealistic, about on par with flawless heroes
This is true but I think it's sort of a flawed logic in that it revolves around realism being the point. Oftentimes I think stories would be served well by being less realistic.
It makes sense in stories where Good and Evil are tangible forces instead of vague abstracts.
Yes. Samurai Jack is a good example.
Or stories that set out to push their hero as an ideal, but I think that works less often.
Let's face it, at this point, wanting to be "Evil for evil's sake" is just stuff from 4-chan.
In real life, being "evil for evil's sake" is just being an asshole, more-so than being evil out of the ignorance of the damaging effect of your own actions.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
Homophobes: "You mean breaking the law gets you thrown in jail now?? This is tyranny!!"
Why the heck is he the god who protects the innocent when he's also the god of robbery? How is he the healer god when he is the god who pees on everything?
If he can't eat it, he tries to mate with it, and if that doesn't work, he just pees on it. With people he often does all three. But he also repels evil and will protect Egypt with his life like how a mother crocodile protects her babies with her life.
Maybe Sobek gets his protectiveness from his wife/daughter/sister Renenutet, who is the Snake Goddess who protects all children until the day they can protect themselves and no longer need her. She remembers the children when they are old, though, and can be called on to protect Egyptians and the Pharaoh.
She also protects from curses and can give good fortune and prosperity.
She breathes fire and her gaze destroys her enemies, because when you are a sweet patron of children you need to be able to straight-up murder punks every once in a while.
i've said it before but i actually don't think Titus Andronicus was one of Shakespeare's better plays (i also think the notion that Iago in Othello is 'motivelessly malevolent' is an oversimplification).
Regardless, i'm more tolerant of absolutely evil characters in more stylized works of fiction.
(Shakespeare is stylized, being written in verse. Most fiction prior to the rise of the novel is heavily stylized, actually.)
what bugs me is people acting like the Miley/Minaj thing wasn't obviously staged.
like people on tumblr were all like "ooohhhhhh Minaj absolutely slayed her" and it's like nah they were defs both in on the whole thing, nothing spontaneous about it
what bugs me is people acting like the Miley/Minaj thing wasn't obviously staged.
like people on tumblr were all like "ooohhhhhh Minaj absolutely slayed her" and it's like nah they were defs both in on the whole thing, nothing spontaneous about it
Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
Speaking of like, absolutist heroes and villains, today I tried to understand Dangan Ronpa or whatever by reading short summaries? And like...I can't. For the most part, these characters aren't something I can believe to be people. I don't understand why the black-and-white bear does anything for any reason. "For its own sake" is not a good reason.
And like, I guess to me there's a spectrum. There's protagonists and antagonists, there's heroes and there's villains, but at no point are there "good people" or "bad people."
the point is that regardless of whether or not it was staged the "fight" highlights a double standard and a stereotype namely that black women are all "catty bitches". And ofc because Nicki actually said something back everyone's reaction was "well she's just proving the stereotype right!!" as if that matters at all.
That's true regardless of who if anyone profits off of it.
Which is stupid to me because Vince Staples is a very genuine person who is (and this is extremely rare in both the rap and pop spheres today) unafraid to speak his mind and have strong opinions. For the most part those opinions are even good opinions!
And people give him shit for it when he says things that they don't agree with, and it's dumb.
Also why would you threaten a former Crip but I guess that's another conversation.
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i think i'm a bit of an odd heaper out here, i still tend to prefer stories which aspire to realism to an extent
characters who are purely good don't seem like good people to me, they seem like boring cut-outs
I actually like flawless heroes and virtue-less villains. But, then again, I like absolutes. They are comforting in their solidness. That's not a way to accurately perceive reality, because reality has almost no absolutes, but this is fiction.
Fiction can provide what reality can't.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
In my story, I like greys, to a extent. There should characters who are good despite their flaws and characters that are bad despite their virtues. They should not always be on opposite sides
Honestly I think you're overstating how pessimistic Rocko's Modern Life was.
Anyways, have a picture of Chichen Itza
Nah, bigger
Too small!
This is true but I think it's sort of a flawed logic in that it revolves around realism being the point.
Oftentimes I think stories would be served well by being less realistic.
It makes sense in stories where Good and Evil are tangible forces instead of vague abstracts.
Yes. Samurai Jack is a good example.
Cipactli vs Sobek, who eats more?
(They wouldn't fight, they'd get into an eating contest.)
Sobek drinks an unbelievable amount of water each year so as to keep the Nile from flooding.
Also, they could have a dad-off
Father of all crocodiles and he without whose blessing can nothing be fathered vs the literal first thing to ever live.
Sobek is so weird.
Why the heck is he the god who protects the innocent when he's also the god of robbery? How is he the healer god when he is the god who pees on everything?
If he can't eat it, he tries to mate with it, and if that doesn't work, he just pees on it. With people he often does all three. But he also repels evil and will protect Egypt with his life like how a mother crocodile protects her babies with her life.
like Steven's healing spit
I gotta say, Taming of the Shrew is really uncomfortable and I do not like it one bit.
Also, what's up with his saddening up of King Lear? Doesn't he care about the sauce materiel!
Maybe Sobek gets his protectiveness from his wife/daughter/sister Renenutet, who is the Snake Goddess who protects all children until the day they can protect themselves and no longer need her. She remembers the children when they are old, though, and can be called on to protect Egyptians and the Pharaoh.
She also protects from curses and can give good fortune and prosperity.
She breathes fire and her gaze destroys her enemies, because when you are a sweet patron of children you need to be able to straight-up murder punks every once in a while.
Regardless, i'm more tolerant of absolutely evil characters in more stylized works of fiction.
(Shakespeare is stylized, being written in verse. Most fiction prior to the rise of the novel is heavily stylized, actually.)
Weird!What then.
like people on tumblr were all like "ooohhhhhh Minaj absolutely slayed her" and it's like nah they were defs both in on the whole thing, nothing spontaneous about it
i don't understand why Miley was ever relevant
Disney
and, i see Jane. but most people i've seen haven't reacted like that, though
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
I give absolutely no fucks about what she said to Nicki Minaj, for the record.