okay, how about "anti-[something] wankers", instead of "math nerds"
i want to put "philosophy" into that [something], but i'm not actually sure what are those people you're railing against, other than what i've heard/skimmed about them being pro-STEM and/or anti-humanities-and-social-sciences but from the stuff that you've written about them i get the feeling that it's not quite as simple as presuming superiority of one's field of study
If math nerds discovered evidence of a cave filled with people, and animals and plants unseen by anyone, and also learned that they could never enter the cave, they would, without a second thought, dynamite it, and destroy everything in it.
Everything that exists without a math nerd's knowledge exists as a direct insult to their control of everything.
i feel that's a strawman, but perhaps it would be better to drop the subject.
well part of the straw man comes from using the term "math nerds" since for everyone but odradek the term means "people who are very interested in mathematics"
well part of the straw man comes from using the term "math nerds" since for everyone but odradek the term means "people who are very interested in mathematics"
the other part of the straw man comes from what is probably blowing offensive comments out of proportion and using them to construct straw men
okay, that's the main part of the straw man i guess
It's implying that anyone who enjoys maths is a complete douchebag who enjoys shitting on other people and wants everything their own way and will have mardy if things don't.
I love maths, and it is insulting that I am being stereotyped as something I'm not.
also i really hate the practice of imagining all the horrible things that people one doesn't like on the internet might do and then going ahead and assigning those horrible things to them
that's how we get all those troper hate threads/videos/etc. and all the claims about feminazis and stuff
also i really hate the practice of imagining all the horrible things that people one doesn't like on the internet might do and then going ahead and assigning those horrible things to them
that's how we get all those troper hate threads/videos/etc.
Society and the internet places undue importance and respect on math fascists, so I don't feel bad.
also i really hate the practice of imagining all the horrible things that people one doesn't like on the internet might do and then going ahead and assigning those horrible things to them
that's how we get all those troper hate threads/videos/etc.
Society and the internet places undue importance and respect on math fascists, so I don't feel bad.
actually no they don't
you just keep on reading their blogs and balking at how horrible their opinion-wankery is, and that's why it seems like everyone likes them so much
Society and the internet places undue importance and respect on math fascists, so I don't feel bad.
Do you mean something broader than just "really knowledgeable about runge-kutta transforms"? Like, are you including the kinda people who use n=5 studies to justify racism, since stats is really close to math?
there has been a recent tendency to treat nerds as glamorous and cool, that much is true
that's a new thing, for most of the last century nerds were regarded as distinctly unglamorous
but in any case, the extension of this respect to fascism mainly happens on seedy internet forums, and *maybe* certain businesses with a right-leaning workplace culture
Donald Trump has just announced a fundraiser where you beat the tar out of him for 45 seconds, for every medical charge he is billed, he will donate that much to charity.
there has been a recent tendency to treat nerds as glamorous and cool, that much is true
that's a new thing, for most of the last century nerds were regarded as distinctly unglamorous
but in any case, the extension of this respect to fascism mainly happens on seedy internet forums, and *maybe* certain businesses with a right-leaning workplace culture
Well, there are a lot of images on Imgur's front page that are either racist or fascist right now. Imgur's attached to Reddit and Reddit is consciously allowing white supremacists to stick around because it costs less money (and provides another income source, since people will give Reddit Gold to people they agree with), but Reddit is also a very big community.
It's implying that anyone who enjoys maths is a complete douchebag who enjoys shitting on other people and wants everything their own way and will have mardy if things don't.
I love maths, and it is insulting that I am being stereotyped as something I'm not.
also for the record i wasn't meaning to imply this, and i'm quite sure Odradek wasn't either
there has been a recent tendency to treat nerds as glamorous and cool, that much is true
that's a new thing, for most of the last century nerds were regarded as distinctly unglamorous
but in any case, the extension of this respect to fascism mainly happens on seedy internet forums, and *maybe* certain businesses with a right-leaning workplace culture
Well, there are a lot of images on Imgur's front page that are either racist or fascist right now. Imgur's attached to Reddit and Reddit is consciously allowing white supremacists to stick around because it costs less money (and provides another income source, since people will give Reddit Gold to people they agree with), but Reddit is also a very big community.
well yes, and that's fucked up
but reddit is not the same as society, most people think reddit is trash
I am supposed to be required to respond to some dumbshit article dumbshit suitrobot Paul Graham wrote about philosophy as if it's a serious contribution. And that's fucked up.
Meanwhile, math fascists are allowed to skip every field of study that doesn't involve citing statistics or doesn't involve citing "The right" statistics because of their autistic superbrains that make them much more powerful than us NPCs down here on earth.
It's implying that anyone who enjoys maths is a complete douchebag who enjoys shitting on other people and wants everything their own way and will have mardy if things don't.
I love maths, and it is insulting that I am being stereotyped as something I'm not.
also for the record i wasn't meaning to imply this, and i'm quite sure Odradek wasn't either
How about saying what you mean then, so people don't get distraught when you're literally comparing what they consider themselves to be to nazis.
I am supposed to be required to respond to some dumbshit article dumbshit suitrobot Paul Graham wrote about philosophy as if it's a serious contribution. And that's fucked up.
Meanwhile, math nerds are allowed to skip every field of study that doesn't involve citing statistics or doesn't involve citing "The right" statistics because of their autistic superbrains that make them much more powerful than us NPCs down here on earth.
Odie you really have to understand that very few people actually believe that this is true.
Most people aren't even aware of this subculture, if that's what you'd want to call it.
I am supposed to be required to respond to some dumbshit article dumbshit suitrobot Paul Graham wrote about philosophy as if it's a serious contribution. And that's fucked up.
Meanwhile, math nerds are allowed to skip every field of study that doesn't involve citing statistics or doesn't involve citing "The right" statistics because of their autistic superbrains that make them much more powerful than us NPCs down here on earth.
No I am clearly supposed to be ridiculously charitable to them at all times.
also can you not be heavily, heavily sarcastic so much of the time because it's sometimes nigh-impossible for me as a person who isn't intimately familiar with what you're talking about to figure out what your opinion position is on things -- specifically whether you're mocking something or really mean something
It's implying that anyone who enjoys maths is a complete douchebag who enjoys shitting on other people and wants everything their own way and will have mardy if things don't.
I love maths, and it is insulting that I am being stereotyped as something I'm not.
also for the record i wasn't meaning to imply this, and i'm quite sure Odradek wasn't either
How about saying what you mean then, so people don't get distraught when you're literally comparing what they consider themselves to be to nazis.
Well because we've been over this a bunch of times, i've tried asking Odradek to use other terms and he hasn't, and i was trying to respond constructively rather than start a semantic argument!
It's implying that anyone who enjoys maths is a complete douchebag who enjoys shitting on other people and wants everything their own way and will have mardy if things don't.
I love maths, and it is insulting that I am being stereotyped as something I'm not.
also for the record i wasn't meaning to imply this, and i'm quite sure Odradek wasn't either
How about saying what you mean then, so people don't get distraught when you're literally comparing what they consider themselves to be to nazis.
Well because we've been over this a bunch of times, i've tried asking Odradek to use other terms and he hasn't, and i was trying to respond constructively rather than start a semantic argument!
I am supposed to be required to respond to some dumbshit article dumbshit suitrobot Paul Graham wrote about philosophy as if it's a serious contribution. And that's fucked up.
Meanwhile, math nerds are allowed to skip every field of study that doesn't involve citing statistics or doesn't involve citing "The right" statistics because of their autistic superbrains that make them much more powerful than us NPCs down here on earth.
who the fuck is this "dumbshit suitrobot Paul Graham" entity and why the fuck should you even give what he says half a rat's ass?
edit: okay you answered the who part, but you haven't answered the why part
I don't care about insight wankers either (which I'll use to talk about all of the math supremacist bozos), but it has been stated several times that Odra is railing against people that are decidedly not us. This is also the second time I've made this comment. If nothing else, don't act like Odra and others haven't at least clarified, please.
Paul Graham is some adventure capitalist dude, not a philosopher.
It's implying that anyone who enjoys maths is a complete douchebag who enjoys shitting on other people and wants everything their own way and will have mardy if things don't.
I love maths, and it is insulting that I am being stereotyped as something I'm not.
also for the record i wasn't meaning to imply this, and i'm quite sure Odradek wasn't either
How about saying what you mean then, so people don't get distraught when you're literally comparing what they consider themselves to be to nazis.
Well because we've been over this a bunch of times, i've tried asking Odradek to use other terms and he hasn't, and i was trying to respond constructively rather than start a semantic argument!
tbf I just switched terms
Yes, you did. Sorry, this topic makes me irritable.
I don't care about insight wankers either (which I'll use to talk about all of the math supremacist bozos), but it has been stated several times that Odra is railing against people that are decidedly not us. This is also the second time I've made this comment. If nothing else, don't act like Odra and others haven't at least clarified, please.
Paul Graham is some adventure capitalist dude, not a philosopher.
so why should anyone give half a rat's ass about what he says about philosophy?
That's not a question I'd want to bother to answer (no offense to you glenn), although I apparently didn't read well enough, so there's that little bit.
because you say it like it's something that society at large generally and typically and frequently does like it's some sort of socially-celebrated thing
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i want to put "philosophy" into that [something], but i'm not actually sure what are those people you're railing against, other than what i've heard/skimmed about them being pro-STEM and/or anti-humanities-and-social-sciences but from the stuff that you've written about them i get the feeling that it's not quite as simple as presuming superiority of one's field of study
i feel that's a strawman, but perhaps it would be better to drop the subject.
okay, that's the main part of the straw man i guess
I love maths, and it is insulting that I am being stereotyped as something I'm not.
So from this day forward I shall call them Math Fascists
that's how we get all those troper hate threads/videos/etc. and all the claims about feminazis and stuff
you just keep on reading their blogs and balking at how horrible their opinion-wankery is, and that's why it seems like everyone likes them so much
that's a new thing, for most of the last century nerds were regarded as distinctly unglamorous
but in any case, the extension of this respect to fascism mainly happens on seedy internet forums, and *maybe* certain businesses with a right-leaning workplace culture
but reddit is not the same as society, most people think reddit is trash
sorry about that, i've been working on it for a while and i only just got it into a state i was happy with
it wasn't mathposting for the sake of being inflammatory
Meanwhile, math fascists are allowed to skip every field of study that doesn't involve citing statistics or doesn't involve citing "The right" statistics because of their autistic superbrains that make them much more powerful than us NPCs down here on earth.
well, they're hypocrites then
You don't have to take them seriously
because you say both with a straight face
Well because we've been over this a bunch of times, i've tried asking Odradek to use other terms and he hasn't, and i was trying to respond constructively rather than start a semantic argument!
edit: okay you answered the who part, but you haven't answered the why part
so he's not just ranting about something he hasn't studied, although it was only a BA
it's just when someone says stuff within my field i get to check it personally
but honestly there are enough doctors who are politicians using their medical experience as political footballs
then i see no reason why you should take him seriously
i doubt anyone else who is seriously interested in philosophy takes him seriously
because you say it like it's something that society at large generally and typically and frequently does like it's some sort of socially-celebrated thing