The Trash Heap of the Heapers' Hangout

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  • My dreams exceed my real life

    'S cool, Glenn. I'm basically automatically on any RP roster that shows up in here.

    Mach and Mo could probably give you a few ideas , if you want

    Ali, bald uncle sounds really cool. Never watched any of the Discworld movies though. ...might be good for the live stream

    From what I have heard, the Discworld movies are a mixed bag.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    image


    I genuinely really like the theme song to this movie


  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    I know a few things about Dungeon Mastering. But I would never play 3.5.
  • I think i might have downloaded something related to 5e but I'm not really sure

    I remember it being mentioned here once

    if it's relatively simple enough I could maybe give it a spin
  • edited 2015-08-06 02:52:39
    Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.

    Like I think a FF movie is really wrongheaded in the first place.


    Kirby and to a lesser extent Lee made it very much with the idea of a family and family drama in the framework. None of the drama ever really ends. It continues on a fairly consistent basis and evolves and grows bigger and solved problems are replaced by new ones, and this is what great runs like Hickman’s and Waid’s worked off of. So a serialized format is necessary. And no having a sequel maybe planned in the works two years later doesn’t count.


    But the Fantastic Four is big, world-shaking stuff. Because that’s what family drama feels like, like your world is collapsing. So there’s no way a live-action TV show could carry that scope. Even a cartoon would struggle.


    So the best medium is something that can visually convey bigness and scale as well as personal moments without having to worry about things like budget.


    If only there were some visual medium that depended on drawings to tell its stories…

  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i kinda don't think D&D settings should have continuity

    at least, they shouldn't have a canon that every series of books in that setting must adhere to
  • Constructed universes packaged with RPGs should be limited, imo. 

    ATaking too much control from the DM seems like a bad idea
    Odradek said:

    'S cool, Glenn. I'm basically automatically on any RP roster that shows up in here.

    Mach and Mo could probably give you a few ideas , if you want

    Ali, bald uncle sounds really cool. Never watched any of the Discworld movies though. ...might be good for the live stream

    From what I have heard, the Discworld movies are a mixed bag.
    Might still be entertaining, as long as none of them are mixed into dullness
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    I feel like metaplots are for tabletop writers who want to be fiction writers, but can't make the jump.

    They only work in MMORPGs, if anywhere.
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    They don't. Traditionally, a setting line publishes books, which describe scenarios, places, characters that your group can interact with. Situations. It's defining the playground, essentially.

    HOWEVER. Nerds are often not satisfied with that, and the situations have to collide, and everything has to interact with each other, which creates the metaplot "canon." 

    I think the height of this was around the 90s, when you had White Wolf and a bunch of others pulling this shit. Like, 7th Sea and Legend of the Five Rings are both a tabletop RPGs and collectible card games? And what happened in the collectible card game tournaments would affect the metaplot canon, which is then reflected in books?

    It's a fucking mess.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    well if i were DMing i think i'd ignore the metaplot whenever it suited me

    sticking too closely to the canon means you can't be flexible, a good DM should keep the players on their toes i think
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Odradek said:

    I feel like metaplots are for tabletop writers who want to be fiction writers, but can't make the jump.


    They only work in MMORPGs, if anywhere.
    That's exactly it.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    MachSpeed said:

    They don't. Traditionally, a setting line publishes books, which describe scenarios, places, characters that your group can interact with. Situations. It's defining the playground, essentially.


    HOWEVER. Nerds are often not satisfied with that, and the situations have to collide, and everything has to interact with each other, which creates the metaplot "canon." 

    I think the height of this was around the 90s, when you had White Wolf and a bunch of others pulling this shit. Like, 7th Sea and Legend of the Five Rings are both a tabletop RPGs and collectible card games? And what happened in the collectible card game tournaments would affect the metaplot canon, which is then reflected in books?

    It's a fucking mess.
    oh

    oh

    right
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    fuckin nerds
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i can actually see the fun in trying to fit what you're doing around an established mythos, potentially

    but it shouldn't be treated as gospel
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Chris Chinn said that the modern tabletop game player must also be a tabletop game hacker, and given the amount of stuff I've done to make games work right, the communities that exist just for this sort of thing, he's not wrong.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    tabletop game hacker?  i'm not sure what that entails
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Tachyon said:

    i can actually see the fun in trying to fit what you're doing around an established mythos, potentially

    but it shouldn't be treated as gospel

    It's not a wrong way to play (because strictly speaking there's no wrong way to play), but it is restrictive and messy.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    yeah, i can imagine

    of course there's nothing stopping you from playing however you want

    though problems can arise when they people you're playing with have conflicting ideas about what they want from the game
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Tachyon said:

    tabletop game hacker?  i'm not sure what that entails

    It means like, house rules, GM rulings, extra mechanics, using one ruleset for another purpose.

    Everybody does those things these days. Everyone tinkers, and those who don't tinker are the people who are going to feel the restrictions.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    makes sense

    honestly i always assumed that was the intended spirit of the game
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Yeah, but it's also kind of weird. Nobody has serious mechanical re-workings of something like Monopoly or Chess. And the people who do are so deep in the game that it's kind of weird.

    But for us, this sort of thing is normal.
  • MachSpeed said:

    Yeah, but it's also kind of weird. Nobody has serious mechanical re-workings of something like Monopoly or Chess. And the people who do are so deep in the game that it's kind of weird.


    But for us, this sort of thing is normal.
    That's because something like Chess or even Monopoly is worlds simpler than even the most basic of tabletop RPGs.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    There's actually like a whole subculture dedicated to modified chess games with variant rules.

    But D&D is a different kind of game, i feel.  A lot more imaginative, a lot more flexible.
  • anyway if anyone is interested in the D&D5e idea come to my thread in a minute.

    I'm not gonna make a thread for it just yet. Because I don't quite know how I want the game to be played.
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Okay, a better comparison: video games. How many video games do you play that you actively use mods for, or even make your own?

    It's true, this is the sweet spot where everyone can edit and change how their games work without overwhelming amounts of effort (at least, theoretically). But it's also because tabletop RPGs started in a weird place, continued going in weird directions, and is still standing in a weird place. And yeah, it's weird, but it's not wrong either.
  • I feel like if it's the norm it's sort of not weird by default.

    It's more like, a collaborative medium, yeah?

    And tbh I feel like a lot of tabletop rules work great if you're doing precisely what they were designed to do. D&D's rules work fine if you are going into a dungeon to fight a dragon. It's just that people want more, so they tweak things.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Impostor

    Eliezer Yudkowsky shows how far you can go when you're not hanging out with experts and you're pretending to understand the very hardest sciences.

    The answer is "forever"
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    modding a game is not something i've ever done, but i feel like it's probably quite difficult and time consuming, more so than changing a monster's stats on paper
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Odradek said:

    Impostor


    Eliezer Yudkowsky shows how far you can go when you're not hanging out with experts and you're pretending to understand the very hardest sciences.

    The answer is "forever"
    i think Yudkowsky generally has just enough understanding that he sounds reasonably convincing if you're not familiar with the field in question
  • Also there are some games with very active modding communities.

    I know a lot of people consider you to not really have played Fallout New Vegas unless you've played it with at least a few basic mods.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Yudzilla has laser beams coming out his face

    and every one is powered by a theorem called Bayes
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    That game doesn't fucking work unless you have mods. It's frustrating.

    But like, I don't mod Shadow Warrior or Bastion or Skullgirls or whatever. There are lots of folks who do, but they're not modding to make the game work they way they want (usually), they're modding to explore new things.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    also i gather HPMOR does this thing where hypotheses Yudkowsky likes are presented as scientific fact

    which, granted, it's a work of fiction, but it does purport to be educational, so that's kinda misleading
  • the reason everyone mods the rules of D&D is because the point of D&D isn't to force players to make decisions within a certain rules context, which is the case with board games like chess and monopoly; the point of D&D is to bring imagination to life

    also, i might not play with mods to videogames, but i also play them according to my own rules -- for example, i don't have to beat the time attack if i don't want to, or i can be satisfied putting down the game after playing only easy, or i can choose to intentionally handicap myself by using only a hard-to-use maneuver against the bosses

    in a way that's doing a similar thing
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Tachyon said:

    also i gather HPMOR does this thing where hypotheses Yudkowsky likes are presented as scientific fact

    which, granted, it's a work of fiction, but it does purport to be educational, so that's kinda misleading

    He does the "scientific hypotheses not yet considered settled are clearly settled by my massive Bayesian intellect, and the fact that scientists believe otherwise is proof that scientists are insane, and you should trust me and not them" thing in the actual Sequences.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    Next Poster, you get to decide the Band of Brats' next devious act of rowdiness
  • Accessory

    You can equip an item as an amulet.  Some people say they have magical powers, but most people just seem to believe they just make a person look prettier.

    [There are a number of accessories that have little gameplay function, but just affect your characters' appearances.  However, there are two sets of eight accessories each, both accessible in relatively hidden locations late in the game, that actually do have magical power.]
  • the act of rowdiness is to create a romhack of a game that causes all the characters to wear sunglasses and look TOO COOL FOR SCHOOL
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Goodbye moonmen
  • actual youtube comment:

    do Dragons eat cucumbers. Cause I can Jesus
  • actual youtube comment:

    do Dragons eat cucumbers. Cause I can Jesus
    actual GMH parsing of youtube comment: "Jesus" interpreted as a verb
  • My dreams exceed my real life

    actual youtube comment:

    do Dragons eat cucumbers. Cause I can Jesus
    This person has great wisdom to share.
  • The thesis being offered is that they are superior to dragons, because they can eat cucumbers, whereas dragons cannot.

    properly puncuated, it might read "Can dragons eat cucumbers? 'Cuz I can, Jesus..."
  • The thesis being offered is that they are superior to dragons, because they can eat cucumbers, whereas dragons cannot.


    properly puncuated, it might read "Can dragons eat cucumbers? 'Cuz I can, Jesus..."
    I realized that a comma was missing only after I posted my initial quoting of it.  Hence my self-mocking follow-up.
  • edited 2015-08-06 04:13:04
    And in case anyone was wondering, the source of that comment is this video:

    From the comment chain that produced that, I also learned that Travis Willingham and Laura Bailey are both married and have portrayed (respectively) Guile and Chun-Li.
  • ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    but I can walk on cucumbers which are 420% water. Jesus can walk on water so I can walk on dragons
  • ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    I gave birth to Chuck Norris, beat the Pokemon league champion from every region, broke the world record for most world records broken, created a new species of dinosaur, rode a tyrannosaurus rex in the sunset, fist-fought with a midget in a kangaroo pouch, became a family man by taking over a man's mind with my flexing muscles, grew wings without red bull, destroyed the death star, took an arrow to the knee and kept adventuring, moved an immovable object, out-smelled old spice, took the hobbits to isengard(or however it's spelt), went alone without a sword even though it was dangerous, picked bulbasaur, created a mixtape on sound cloud, had a princess in EVERYcastle I went to, took a falcon punch to the crotch, had money in my wallet after a steam sale, and survived with Obamacare when listening to this song


    After recent events, I have learned Victoria's secret, inserted a flash drive into my computer correctly on the first try, got full dragon armour, commanded and conquered, counted to infinity, found the end of pi, ate myself, uncracked an egg, played super Mario party without losing any friends, dug to china, made a sound in space, survived aids, discovered a new letter of the alphabet that when spoken,written,read, or thought about kills the person executing the task, forced cocaine to snort itself, brought an imaginary friend into existence, punched a crotch so hard the man became a woman, reversed time, stabbed a knife with another knife, ran out of the friend zone, made grumpy cat smile, posted the first cat picture on the internet, dropped an iPhone into a pile of nokia phones and managed to break the nokia while the iPhone survived, found a triple rainbow, realized trix aren't only for kids, listened to the entire song ""friday" sung by Miley Cyrus, found a normal video on the weird side of youtube, planked on a plank, and traveled to an alternate universe where sharks are people, and people are sharks and watched "humanado" and "humanado 2" (they were terrible movies)
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