The Trash Heap of the Heapers' Hangout

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  • Munch munch, chomp chomp...
    Happy birthday loser!
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    It's now my birthday, JSYK.
    For the purposes of this video, your name is Jaime


  • edited 2015-07-25 04:08:38
    image Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.
    Suika: Neutral Dwarf Barbarian
    Eirin: Evil Elf Archer
    Sakuya: Neutral Dwarf Ninja
    Kasen: Evil Gnome Ranger
    Reimu: Evil Human Cleric
    Alice: Neutral Elf Sorcerer
  • Happy Brithday.
  • happy birthing anniversary~
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    happy day of birth
  • image Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.
    Happy rbidthya.
  • Tachyon said:

    yes

    what's in the mug?

    water
    Tachyon said:

    also what's his name

    Onyx
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    he's a gem!
  • Happy birthday, Secto
    Tachyon said:

    he's a gem!

    he even has a big black spot on his side!
  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    Central Avenue said:Sometimes I feel like I'm a contradiction
    Because I enjoy seeing pseudoscience and fake psychics debunked
    But my fantasy persona is all about magical powers

    Well, things in a fantasy persona and things in the
    real world are different, you know

    Odradek said:

    Sometimes I feel like I'm a contradiction


    Because I enjoy seeing pseudoscience and fake psychics debunked

    But my fantasy persona is all about magical powers
    Lovecraft said that only an atheist could write good supernatural fiction. 

    This was self-serving, as Lovecraft was an atheist who wrote supernatural fiction.
    Richard Dawkins writes terrible fiction.
    JMS is an atheist but Babylon 5 had a lot of religious references
  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    Odradek said:

    It's now my birthday, JSYK.
    For the purposes of this video, your name is Jaime


    his name is Eric
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Odradek said:

    It's now my birthday, JSYK.
    For the purposes of this video, your name is Jaime




    his name is Eric
    I feel like I knew that, but didn't know that I knew that.


  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    people call him that a lot more often on IRC
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    I approve.
  • image Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.
    Weird game stuff: In Might & Magic 7, the player characters from M&M3 have formed two factions. The leader of the evil faction is Kastore. The problem with this is that in M&M3, Kastore was a neutral elf sorcerer.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    Happy birthday Eric!

    As for cats drinking: I once had a calico who would only drink by dipping her paw into the bowl and licking the water off her fur
  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    d&d style alignments are weird as f already though
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i don't see how that's a problem

    maybe Kastore went over to The Dark Side
  • Myr is going to have the hardest time when it gets to my birthday, assuming i actually celebrate it

    Happy Birthday, Section
  • image Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.
    Of course, the entire premise is kinda weird, since near the end of M&M3 every party member is forced into the same alignment.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    also i wanna ask something pertaining to the metaplot discussion that was on here earlier

    cuz like

    ok so i have never DM'd before, barring a couple of very amateurish attempts

    but like if i were DMing i wouldn't care whether some character or other 'can't be killed' because some metaplot reason because who cares about that?  so like if your PCs want to kill someone, can't you just let them kill someone?  You've already deviated from 'canon' just by introducing the PCs into the setting, right?

    unless i've drastically misunderstood

    i'm sort of incredulous about this being a thing and thinking perhaps i have completely misunderstood

    have i?
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    that was mostly @Odradek and @MachSpeed
  • Tachyon said:

    also i wanna ask something pertaining to the metaplot discussion that was on here earlier

    cuz like

    ok so i have never DM'd before, barring a couple of very amateurish attempts

    but like if i were DMing i wouldn't care whether some character or other 'can't be killed' because some metaplot reason because who cares about that?  so like if your PCs want to kill someone, can't you just let them kill someone?  You've already deviated from 'canon' just by introducing the PCs into the setting, right?

    unless i've drastically misunderstood

    i'm sort of incredulous about this being a thing and thinking perhaps i have completely misunderstood

    have i?

    I think Odie just meant that it prevents the plot present in the sourcebooks themselves from being interesting.

    Whether or not I'd agree is another matter, as I've not read them.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    that would make more sense

    Odradek specifically mentioned players though
  • edited 2015-07-25 04:51:26
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i'm so tired now

    i don't know why i'm so stupid about this, i stayed up to read the history of philosophy and ended up not reading much

    i need to get back into the habit of sleeping at a normal time like a normal person and having my day free
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Tachyon said:

    also i wanna ask something pertaining to the metaplot discussion that was on here earlier

    cuz like

    ok so i have never DM'd before, barring a couple of very amateurish attempts

    but like if i were DMing i wouldn't care whether some character or other 'can't be killed' because some metaplot reason because who cares about that?  so like if your PCs want to kill someone, can't you just let them kill someone?  You've already deviated from 'canon' just by introducing the PCs into the setting, right?

    unless i've drastically misunderstood

    i'm sort of incredulous about this being a thing and thinking perhaps i have completely misunderstood

    have i?

    Okay, so the problem was the way the intentions of the metaplot got reflected in the mechanics.

    So let's say you want to kill the Cyberpope and free France from his tyranny. If you are playing a TORG campaign set in France, this is the obvious endgame. He' an evil power-mad invader from another dimension, and you want to kill him as part of the New French Resistance or whatever.

    Except then you flip over to his stats, and he has bucketloads of magic powers, special abilities, and HP.

    Okay, so let's say you want to follow the in-game ideas for what you're supposed to be doing and weaken him via removing the special reality lynchpins he's using to drain the energy of the Earth and replace it with the reality of his own universe. Except removing any one of those is a herculean task that requires loads of luck, preparation, prior adventures, and fighting skill. And even if you removed one, you've only weakened him, by like, five percent.

    All this because the people who made the game were afraid of players having agency and ruining their carefully constructed metaplot.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    ah, i think i understand

    but just to be clear, well, he's a strong enemy, right?

    so presumably if you don't want to host a campaign that lengthy, you can just set it up so the obvious main antagonist is someone lower tier?
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Tachyon said:

    ah, i think i understand

    but just to be clear, well, he's a strong enemy, right?

    so presumably if you don't want to host a campaign that lengthy, you can just set it up so the obvious main antagonist is someone lower tier?

    Well yeah, sure. It's just that setting a weird "fuck you" limit on what players can do is kinda dumb.

    And also the mechanics of TORG aren't great.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    hm

    i do think there should BE strong enemies, just so you have the option to deploy one if you have experienced players who want a tougher challenge

    maybe here i'm thinking about using canon far more loosely than some DMs would, though

    like to me canon just looks like readymade material for the DM to fall back on if they don't have any better ideas
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    The problem is less "he's a strong enemy" and more "he seems like something you could fight, but he's basically someone you could never fight and hope to win".
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    even at the highest levels?

    if so then yeah that sounds kind of pointless
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Giving him stats kinda makes it worse. It's like the problem D&D ran into with statting gods. You will never be able to fight Zeus, even at max level, but because he has hit points and an armor class like everyone else, it feels like you should be able to fight him
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    well i suppose you shouldn't really be able to fight Zeus

    but having stats means that if under some extraordinary circumstances a PC is now god tier and decides to take him on, you're at least prepared
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Tachyon said:

    well i suppose you shouldn't really be able to fight Zeus

    but having stats means that if under some extraordinary circumstances a PC is now god tier and decides to take him on, you're at least prepared

    Well yes but the game breaks down at that level because it wasn't built for characters who get 20 attacks in a round and can use 90% of all spells ever at whim
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    also if you wanted to have him fight another strong NPC for story reasons
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Odradek said:

    Tachyon said:

    well i suppose you shouldn't really be able to fight Zeus

    but having stats means that if under some extraordinary circumstances a PC is now god tier and decides to take him on, you're at least prepared

    Well yes but the game breaks down at that level because it wasn't built for characters who get 20 attacks in a round and can use 90% of all spells ever at whim
    i can imagine
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    anyway yes i understand now what it is you and Mach were talking about

    thank you Odradek
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Agency is probably the most important thing in a game, and a lot of the time, metaplot constricts more than it guides.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    yeah i'm thinking if i were a DM i'd mostly ignore the metaplot in favour of whatever better suited the campaign i was running
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    I feel like my novelty sign loses something in translation...

    image
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    What happened there?  The image was showing a minute ago.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    tbf zero is an even number
  • Munch munch, chomp chomp...
    I am impressively bad at Snakebird but I refuse to use hints.
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    Crystal said:

    I am impressively bad at Snakebird but I refuse to use hints.

    IKDF
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    I feel like starting a website for a fictional nonprofit organization
  • i feel vageuly sad + bored
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    start one for the Royal Centralian Public Library
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