Central Avenue said:Sometimes I feel like I'm a contradiction Because I enjoy seeing pseudoscience and fake psychics debunked But my fantasy persona is all about magical powers
Well, things in a fantasy persona and things in the real world are different, you know
Weird game stuff: In Might & Magic 7, the player characters from M&M3 have formed two factions. The leader of the evil faction is Kastore. The problem with this is that in M&M3, Kastore was a neutral elf sorcerer.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
Happy birthday Eric!
As for cats drinking: I once had a calico who would only drink by dipping her paw into the bowl and licking the water off her fur
also i wanna ask something pertaining to the metaplot discussion that was on here earlier
cuz like
ok so i have never DM'd before, barring a couple of very amateurish attempts
but like if i were DMing i wouldn't care whether some character or other 'can't be killed' because some metaplot reason because who cares about that? so like if your PCs want to kill someone, can't you just let them kill someone? You've already deviated from 'canon' just by introducing the PCs into the setting, right?
unless i've drastically misunderstood
i'm sort of incredulous about this being a thing and thinking perhaps i have completely misunderstood
also i wanna ask something pertaining to the metaplot discussion that was on here earlier
cuz like
ok so i have never DM'd before, barring a couple of very amateurish attempts
but like if i were DMing i wouldn't care whether some character or other 'can't be killed' because some metaplot reason because who cares about that? so like if your PCs want to kill someone, can't you just let them kill someone? You've already deviated from 'canon' just by introducing the PCs into the setting, right?
unless i've drastically misunderstood
i'm sort of incredulous about this being a thing and thinking perhaps i have completely misunderstood
have i?
I think Odie just meant that it prevents the plot present in the sourcebooks themselves from being interesting.
Whether or not I'd agree is another matter, as I've not read them.
also i wanna ask something pertaining to the metaplot discussion that was on here earlier
cuz like
ok so i have never DM'd before, barring a couple of very amateurish attempts
but like if i were DMing i wouldn't care whether some character or other 'can't be killed' because some metaplot reason because who cares about that? so like if your PCs want to kill someone, can't you just let them kill someone? You've already deviated from 'canon' just by introducing the PCs into the setting, right?
unless i've drastically misunderstood
i'm sort of incredulous about this being a thing and thinking perhaps i have completely misunderstood
have i?
Okay, so the problem was the way the intentions of the metaplot got reflected in the mechanics.
So let's say you want to kill the Cyberpope and free France from his tyranny. If you are playing a TORG campaign set in France, this is the obvious endgame. He' an evil power-mad invader from another dimension, and you want to kill him as part of the New French Resistance or whatever.
Except then you flip over to his stats, and he has bucketloads of magic powers, special abilities, and HP.
Okay, so let's say you want to follow the in-game ideas for what you're supposed to be doing and weaken him via removing the special reality lynchpins he's using to drain the energy of the Earth and replace it with the reality of his own universe. Except removing any one of those is a herculean task that requires loads of luck, preparation, prior adventures, and fighting skill. And even if you removed one, you've only weakened him, by like, five percent.
All this because the people who made the game were afraid of players having agency and ruining their carefully constructed metaplot.
The problem is less "he's a strong enemy" and more "he seems like something you could fight, but he's basically someone you could never fight and hope to win".
Giving him stats kinda makes it worse. It's like the problem D&D ran into with statting gods. You will never be able to fight Zeus, even at max level, but because he has hit points and an armor class like everyone else, it feels like you should be able to fight him
well i suppose you shouldn't really be able to fight Zeus
but having stats means that if under some extraordinary circumstances a PC is now god tier and decides to take him on, you're at least prepared
Well yes but the game breaks down at that level because it wasn't built for characters who get 20 attacks in a round and can use 90% of all spells ever at whim
well i suppose you shouldn't really be able to fight Zeus
but having stats means that if under some extraordinary circumstances a PC is now god tier and decides to take him on, you're at least prepared
Well yes but the game breaks down at that level because it wasn't built for characters who get 20 attacks in a round and can use 90% of all spells ever at whim
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
I feel like my novelty sign loses something in translation...
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
I feel like starting a website for a fictional nonprofit organization
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Eirin: Evil Elf Archer
Sakuya: Neutral Dwarf Ninja
Kasen: Evil Gnome Ranger
Reimu: Evil Human Cleric
Alice: Neutral Elf Sorcerer
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Because I enjoy seeing pseudoscience and fake psychics debunked
But my fantasy persona is all about magical powers
Well, things in a fantasy persona and things in the real world are different, you know JMS is an atheist but Babylon 5 had a lot of religious references
maybe Kastore went over to The Dark Side
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
cuz like
ok so i have never DM'd before, barring a couple of very amateurish attempts
but like if i were DMing i wouldn't care whether some character or other 'can't be killed' because some metaplot reason because who cares about that? so like if your PCs want to kill someone, can't you just let them kill someone? You've already deviated from 'canon' just by introducing the PCs into the setting, right?
unless i've drastically misunderstood
i'm sort of incredulous about this being a thing and thinking perhaps i have completely misunderstood
have i?
Odradek specifically mentioned players though
i don't know why i'm so stupid about this, i stayed up to read the history of philosophy and ended up not reading much
i need to get back into the habit of sleeping at a normal time like a normal person and having my day free
Except then you flip over to his stats, and he has bucketloads of magic powers, special abilities, and HP.
but just to be clear, well, he's a strong enemy, right?
so presumably if you don't want to host a campaign that lengthy, you can just set it up so the obvious main antagonist is someone lower tier?
i do think there should BE strong enemies, just so you have the option to deploy one if you have experienced players who want a tougher challenge
maybe here i'm thinking about using canon far more loosely than some DMs would, though
like to me canon just looks like readymade material for the DM to fall back on if they don't have any better ideas
if so then yeah that sounds kind of pointless
but having stats means that if under some extraordinary circumstances a PC is now god tier and decides to take him on, you're at least prepared
thank you Odradek