The Trash Heap of the Heapers' Hangout

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  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    NOBODY likes it

    i certainly don't like people talking shit about what i studied, and i'm no STEM major

    anyway, a big part of what makes Sokal so misleading is he seems to assume everyone who is French and whose writing he doesn't understand is some kind of extreme relativist

    if you take his writing at face value that's the impression you're gonna come away with
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    I'm done arguing.

    I'm wrong, we've established that, and now I'm going to go cry in a corner because I want to die so badly.

    I'm sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings. I know that's not enough, but I am.
  • Tachyon said:

    im thinking i might make a thread about stuff i learn while reading about philosophy and related material

    i think it would help motivate me to keep reading (i don't read enough these days), and maybe it would be of use to anyone else curious about the subject who isn't sure where to begin

    would anyone read it?

    I would
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i'm sorry.

    i don't know what to say but i don't want this.

    i wish we could just get along, i don't like this stuff either, i was only trying to supply some perspective
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch

    Tachyon said:

    im thinking i might make a thread about stuff i learn while reading about philosophy and related material

    i think it would help motivate me to keep reading (i don't read enough these days), and maybe it would be of use to anyone else curious about the subject who isn't sure where to begin

    would anyone read it?

    I would
    that is cool, thank you

    i'll start later today, maybe

    not feeling up to it rn
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    I am sorry.

    I will be quiet about such things.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Odradek said:

    In all my years, I have never seen anyone step out and say "Scientists have a lesser place in society". Not in class, not in papers, not from other students.


    What I have seen is people getting really angry at the suggesting that their science degree does not entitle them to claim expertise in all things forever.
    i missed this post, and i should acknowledge its correctness

    i haven't seen this either, it is true, you are right

    i have seen people suggest that science people are uncultured and have a very shallow, limited understanding of the human experience, that's about it

    thing is you can't really deny the usefulness of math and physics from an engineering perspective, this is stuff that's hard to ignore in a world so surrounded by technology

    learning about the arts and the humanities requires a bit more humility and openness to metaphor and emotion, and not everyone is so good at that
  • As a person who majored in STEM fields and also someone who feels very much that music is a part of my soul and identity (and a person who's spent too much time on places like TVT), I'll say that STEM and non-STEM are just different -- and neither side is better than the other.  A comparison asking which has more merit is a faulty comparison.  Rather, they are complementary, as science and tech can get us lots of things, but they alone cannot bring us to understand meaning in our lives.
  • edited 2015-07-19 18:03:15
    also Myr I think the term you came up with a while back was "insight wankers"

    it's certainly less misleading than the term "math nerds", because math is pretty cool and using the term like that mischaracterizes all those people who are actually into mathematics.
  • also it might help to not seek out bad opinions to surround oneself with to balk at
  • bad opinions on the internet are a dime a dozen, and thanks to search technology, they like everything else are easily found in droves
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i came up with "insight wankers" and i'd be happy to see it make a comeback :p

    i intended it to refer to people who get all their info from insight wanky blogposts and act like this makes them an expert on everything
  • image Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.
    Take a 2d6! Insight roll.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Question for British heapers: Is there any lingering bitterness over historical divides like there is in America over the Civil War?
  • There is an asshole on this certain other web community, who is actively hostile toward newbies and people who don't have similar experiences.

    I want to punch him in the face.
  • I'd like to punch a lot of newbie-unfriendly people in the face.

    In fact, I'd like to punch newbie-unfriendliness itself in the face.
  • image Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.
    Ireland still aren't our greatest fans.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    I mean aside from the colonization stuff, like, internally.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Although I guess the colonization stuff is mostly the lingering bitterness.
  • Seriously, I have a pretty strong dislike of what could be called "humiliation culture" in the world of videogames.  All this "git gud" crap and gloating about "pwning" people and spamming lenny face when getting kills and gloating about no scope headshots and shit.

    I wish people could get punches in their virtual faces every time they did shit like that.
  • Oh boy, I love stomach cramps so much. They're my favourite.
  • i wish gaming communities enforced "obnoxious asshole" labels (as a negative tag, mind you!) more often.
  • edited 2015-07-19 18:50:52
    Munch munch, chomp chomp...

    Seriously, I have a pretty strong dislike of what could be called "humiliation culture" in the world of videogames.  All this "git gud" crap and gloating about "pwning" people and spamming lenny face when getting kills and gloating about no scope headshots and shit.

    I wish people could get punches in their virtual faces every time they did shit like that.

    That's silly, and this is coming from someone that dislikes newbie-unfriendliness a whole lot.

    It's pretty simple. If you're not good at a game, and complaining, the answer is to get better however you can. And thinking people deserve a punch in the face for being happy about liking competition and pulling off cool stunts is... I want to say immature, almost. Chill out.

    Obnoxious assholery is still tedious and I naturally disapprove of it though.

    In before a potential "I'm wonderposting!!!1" comment: Nope.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Odradek said:

    Although I guess the colonization stuff is mostly the lingering bitterness.


    It's definitely a big part of it, definitely.

    Although not the American War of Independence.  Too long ago, too far away.

    In terms of near neighbours, there's a mostly joking rivalry with France and a slightly more serious one with the Republic of Ireland.  Certain Brits take pride our supposed difference from the mainland and/or the rest of the EU.

    Within the UK, to generalize massively, everywhere that's not England hates England, while the English tend to be kind of snobby about everyone else.  There are various reasons for this, which in the case of Northern Ireland include Cromwell in the 1600s, and more recently the Great Famine, Churchill, Bloody Sunday and the Troubles.  Scotland has a long history of warring with England but the Highland Clearances are also a cause of some lingering resentment, as are the various historical attempts to suppress Scottish culture.  With Wales i think it's fair to say there's less animosity than with the others, but it's common knowledge that Welsh language was banned not so very long ago.

    Within England itself, the north dislikes the south.  This again has longstanding historical roots (the Harrowing of the North was a genocidal attack on the north by the south) but mostly goes back to Thatcher's policies during the 1980s, particularly the closure of the mines, and the Hillsborough Disaster.

    But the most volatile ongoing hostilities are still those internal to Northern Ireland, where the Troubles are still fresh in everyone's memory.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    It's still hot as fuck in Ohio

    And there's a massive storm coming my way, too
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    oh also there's the weird thing with the Falklands

    as in, most people in the UK are barely aware that there's any kind of supposed rivalry going on, but Argentina hates us and is convinced we hate them and the 'Kelpers' (what people from the Falklands call themselves; Argentina apparently believes it's a British ethnic slur, but the word is not widely known here) themselves
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    Tachyon said:

    Tachyon said:

    im thinking i might make a thread about stuff i learn while reading about philosophy and related material

    i think it would help motivate me to keep reading (i don't read enough these days), and maybe it would be of use to anyone else curious about the subject who isn't sure where to begin

    would anyone read it?

    I would
    that is cool, thank you

    i'll start later today, maybe

    not feeling up to it rn
    Whenever you are feeling up to it, I would also like to read it.
  • Crystal said:

    Seriously, I have a pretty strong dislike of what could be called "humiliation culture" in the world of videogames.  All this "git gud" crap and gloating about "pwning" people and spamming lenny face when getting kills and gloating about no scope headshots and shit.

    I wish people could get punches in their virtual faces every time they did shit like that.

    That's silly, and this is coming from someone that dislikes newbie-unfriendliness a whole lot.

    It's pretty simple. If you're not good at a game, and complaining, the answer is to get better however you can. And thinking people deserve a punch in the face for being happy about liking competition and pulling off cool stunts is... I want to say immature, almost. Chill out.

    Obnoxious assholery is still tedious and I naturally disapprove of it though.

    In before a potential "I'm wonderposting!!!1" comment: Nope.
    First of all, I am quite serious about this.

    Second, I'm not saying that people shouldn't try to get better at games.  I'm talking about winners gloating about their victories and denigrating the losers with mockery, derision, and a generally disrespectful attitude.

    The winners should be gracious, rather than prancing around trying to humiliate others with their status.

    Pulling off cool stunts and liking competition is perfectly fine.  Using one's placement in competitions and leaderboards as a social bludgeoning tool is what's not fine.
  • A common reply that people give when they do these things is "I'm just kidding around" or "it's just a joke" or "it's done in good fun" or "it's just good-natured ribbing".

    Yeah, there's a limit to that, and it's a pretty short leash.
  • See, when someone loses a game, they already know that it would be nice to get better at the game.

    Going "git gud, loser" to them is just unnecessary, and makes you the asshole.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch

    Tachyon said:

    Tachyon said:

    im thinking i might make a thread about stuff i learn while reading about philosophy and related material

    i think it would help motivate me to keep reading (i don't read enough these days), and maybe it would be of use to anyone else curious about the subject who isn't sure where to begin

    would anyone read it?

    I would
    that is cool, thank you

    i'll start later today, maybe

    not feeling up to it rn
    Whenever you are feeling up to it, I would also like to read it.

    cool, thanks

    i will make a post probably later this evening, or maybe tomorrow morning depending on how long it takes (as i have some stuff i need to do in meatspace first)
  • The North hates the South, the South hates the North, the Scottish hate everybody...
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    'git gud' always struck me as kind of rude

    but that's mainly because i've seen it used to rebuff requests for advice; it might be playful, but it sure isn't helpful

    gamefaqs exists, of course
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Tools said:

    The North hates the South, the South hates the North, the Scottish hate everybody...

    nah we don't hate the north

    we're aware you could probably beat us up, and that you seem to produce better footballers, the Greater London Area notwithstanding
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    well our politicians seem to hate the north, but we hate our politicians, even the less bad ones

    Scotland and Wales seem to get along ok
  • Munch munch, chomp chomp...
    Tachyon said:

    'git gud' always struck me as kind of rude

    but that's mainly because i've seen it used to rebuff requests for advice; it might be playful, but it sure isn't helpful

    Truth be told I'm not a fan of it either. If someone wants to improve and they ask for advice, then my telling them strats or whatever makes such a comment irrelevant. Just better safe than sorry, especially when I've tried to help newbies.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    I'm from the Midwest

    That means little besides having excruciating winters and getting to be smug at having the "default" American accent
  • I have Northern blood in me, but do have some friends from the South. Even if I do sometimes mock their accent.

    Then again, my accent is pretty mockable...
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    there is no default UK accent, it sure isn't the RP since nobody speaks like that

    so we all make fun of one another's accents :p
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    my accent is fairly Gloucestershire, but it's softened somewhat after spending time away from home

    and it's always been influenced by my mum's accent which is a bizarre mix of Bedfordshire and Lancashire
  • Mine's mostly Northern with a hint of Yorkshire.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    People in Western Pennsylvania are so stupid that they don't remember they're in a Union state.
  • Tachyon said:

    mostly i'm just reading this as a 'way in' to the discipline, and i figured i've probably outgrown Sophie's World

    as someone who is thoroughly confounded by philosophy and doesn't have very much an interest in getting into it, I found Sophie's World an incredible book on its own terms and it's one of maybe a dozen novels I'd heartily recommend to just about anyone.
    Odradek said:

    People in Western Pennsylvania are so stupid that they don't remember they're in a Union state.

    that's all of Pennsylvania unfortunately :/

    when I was in high school me and my friend Meg wanted to start a thing with flying Union battle standards, but we couldn't get our hands on any.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
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  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Each to their own.  i quite liked it, but i felt it felt a bit textbook-ish ^_^;

    It does have a really good twist mid-way through, though.

  • re: "git gud": The degree to which I'll tolerate joking in that manner mostly depends on the context.

    Like, I don't mind if it's obvious that I/someone else is sarcastically lamenting the difficulty of something and the resulting reply is along those lines, but when it's nebulous or very much not meant to be a joke, just telling someone to get better at the game without saying how to do so at all is not cool.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    This flag is about heritage, bio

    Tachyon said:

    mostly i'm just reading this as a 'way in' to the discipline, and i figured i've probably outgrown Sophie's World

    as someone who is thoroughly confounded by philosophy and doesn't have very much an interest in getting into it, I found Sophie's World an incredible book on its own terms and it's one of maybe a dozen novels I'd heartily recommend to just about anyone.
    Odradek said:

    People in Western Pennsylvania are so stupid that they don't remember they're in a Union state.

    that's all of Pennsylvania unfortunately :/

    when I was in high school me and my friend Meg wanted to start a thing with flying Union battle standards, but we couldn't get our hands on any.
    Well the whole state is absolute garbage
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    it frustrates me in response to fighting game problems

    because i can't figure how to do combos, and i have no way of knowing whether i'm getting closer to executing them correctly or not

    and i looked this up online out of frustration and found a bunch of people saying 'git gud' as well as other, longer responses to the same effect
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Tachyon said:

    it frustrates me in response to fighting game problems

    because i can't figure how to do combos, and i have no way of knowing whether i'm getting closer to executing them correctly or not

    and i looked this up online out of frustration and found a bunch of people saying 'git gud' as well as other, longer responses to the same effect

    People who say git gud with no tips on how to git gud can safely be dismissed as assholes.
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