im going to base all of my opinions of people that i meet on their opinions on gamergate and ostracize those who do not meet my exacting standards in this regard because that is an issue that i am deeply invested in
im going to base all of my opinions of people that i meet on their opinions on gamergate and ostracize those who do not meet my exacting standards in this regard because that is an issue that i am deeply invested in
"it's so ridiculous, gamergate isn't misogynistic" "*list of gendered and transmisogynistic slurs*"-gamergaters
yeah being a total fuckwit and being a gamergater seem to be correlated but i prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt
so unless like you can show me a pro gamergate clickhole article along with inane misogynistic ramblings of the person who wrote the article, i wont have much to say
if you do show me these things i will express a level of disappointment that a one of my faves has hired someone problematic, but i most likely would not change my browsing habits unless such things started to become a significant trend
"Coverage of Gamergate by certain media outlets ***that we do not necessarily agree with*** has focused on a long series of female game designers and critics who have been forced to flee their homes after individuals identifying with the Gamergate movement bombarded them with a significant amount of online harassment, followed by explicit threats to rape and murder them. This has led many to decry Gamergate as somehow misogynistic or violent, and is an aspect of this whole issue we’d readily omit here if members of the movement told us to."
yeah its pretty clear who is being considered in the right here
So I heard someone started a group about important stuff and it devolved into misogyny. How is the Men's Rights Association doing anyway? Slowpoke.jpg.
People with a strongly positive opinion of the gamergate movement no more deserve the 'benefit of the doubt' than PUAs or the Westboro Baptist Church. It is not that i 'don't get it'. Even well-intentioned proponents are acting on institutionalized sexism, which should be discouraged.
Naney and Miko, i know neither of you thinks antifeminism is a reasonable opinion. Why treat it as one?
You misunderstand, i'm not saying that it's a reasonable opinion, i just treat unreasonable opinions in a different manner.
Like, if i was friends with someone, and they mentioned to me that they supported gamergate, I would talk it over with them, because I disagree and they're my friend and stuff.
But if, as it turns out purely hypothetically, a comedy website i liked picked up an article by some dude that positive towards gamegate I would feel disappointed, but would not act as there are no reasonable actions that I could perform that would alter the situation.
I objected to the seeming implication that I should run away screaming from a website that I quite like because they just so happened to do something problematic.
I objected to the seeming implication that I should run away screaming from a website that I quite like because they just so happened to do something problematic.
'Run away screaming', no. That's fair enough.
But i don't see anything wrong with merely noting if something is objectionable. That certainly doesn't warrant ridicule.
OK. You are being perfectly reasonable and there is no reason to condemn an entire website on the basis of that one opinion, which in any case it doesn't look as though they actually hold.
i don't enjoy talking about this either, but dismissive posts on the subject bother me far more than merely talking about it.
Also, I dislike the implication that one dubious article would render the entire enterprise objectionable, even to mere passing mention.
did anybody actually say that though.
and to be completely honest, while it doesn't make sense for a site that essentially just aggregates articles, I do really think that a person supporting GamerGate is, if nothing else, a reason to not trust them, because it's support of a movement that, and I've said this before, thinks that protecting the vague notion of "gaming" as a hobby is more important than basic human decency. I have close friends who have gotten caught up in this thing and it's not a joke, it has serious impact on people.
OK. You are being perfectly reasonable and there is no reason to condemn an entire website on the basis of that one opinion, which in any case it doesn't look as though they actually hold.
i don't enjoy talking about this either, but dismissive posts on the subject bother me far more than merely talking about it.
im going to base all of my opinions of people that i meet on their opinions on gamergate and ostracize those who do not meet my exacting standards in this regard because that is an issue that i am deeply invested in
thing was that this seems to be the exact sort of thing that I see going on with whatever the social issue du jour is all the time
someone could support gamergate solely out of good intentions and misinformation, and then get sunk into it further via the usual ideological feedback loops that happen with these things
obviously if someone like this were to progress into actively harassing people in opposition to gamergate it would have a significant and negative mpact my opinions of them, but if they merely sent out the odd not overly inflammatory tweet out into the aether and wrote about it on their blog off and on I would hold no dislike towards them as their behavior is in keeping with what most decent people would do in their circumstance.
ok that's a good point in the hypothetical, but do you actually know any pro-GG people who A) you're pretty sure are only in this out of good intentions and B) aren't just people you'd avoid anyway?
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so unless like you can show me a pro gamergate clickhole article along with inane misogynistic ramblings of the person who wrote the article, i wont have much to say
if you do show me these things i will express a level of disappointment that a one of my faves has hired someone problematic, but i most likely would not change my browsing habits unless such things started to become a significant trend
honestly i have no clue how someone could read that as pro gg
yeah its pretty clear who is being considered in the right here
as it turns out kotakuinaction has dumb people
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They'd probably make squishy walking sounds and everything
Naney and Miko, i know neither of you thinks antifeminism is a reasonable opinion. Why treat it as one?
Like, if i was friends with someone, and they mentioned to me that they supported gamergate, I would talk it over with them, because I disagree and they're my friend and stuff.
But if, as it turns out purely hypothetically, a comedy website i liked picked up an article by some dude that positive towards gamegate I would feel disappointed, but would not act as there are no reasonable actions that I could perform that would alter the situation.
this implies that supporting gamergate (which they evidently don't) would not be an indictment of them
You're trivializing the issue
and yes 'gamergate' is trivial but the misogyny espoused by those who complain about it most certainly isn't
and i realize this post probably seems way too confrontational, but so is ridiculing other people for expressing concerns about this
But i don't see anything wrong with merely noting if something is objectionable. That certainly doesn't warrant ridicule.
Also, I dislike the implication that one dubious article would render the entire enterprise objectionable, even to mere passing mention.
i don't enjoy talking about this either, but dismissive posts on the subject bother me far more than merely talking about it.
and my point with the whole thing was that this seems to be the exact sort of thing that I see going on with whatever the social issue du jour is all the time
someone could support gamergate solely out of good intentions and misinformation, and then get sunk into it further via the usual ideological feedback loops that happen with these things
obviously if someone like this were to progress into actively harassing people in opposition to gamergate it would have a significant and negative mpact my opinions of them, but if they merely sent out the odd not overly inflammatory tweet out into the aether and wrote about it on their blog off and on I would hold no dislike towards them as their behavior is in keeping with what most decent people would do in their circumstance.