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  • My dreams exceed my real life

    Christian films are some of the worst pieces of media imaginable.


    No one behaves anything like a real person, and it is all essentially propaganda for an idea (the existence of the Christian God) that is not even remotely unpopular.

    Somehow, this shit is popular.

    Presumably amongst the sort of person who values their media being moral over it being good.
    I've heard Kirk Cameron's Saving Christmas is worth seeing just for it being batshit insane.
  • edited 2014-12-04 23:53:11

    that's a face i wasn't expecting back in my lifetime
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    The City of Colerain
    Metropolitan Police Service
  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.

    Christian films are some of the worst pieces of media imaginable.


    No one behaves anything like a real person, and it is all essentially propaganda for an idea (the existence of the Christian God) that is not even remotely unpopular.

    Somehow, this shit is popular.

    Presumably amongst the sort of person who values their media being moral over it being good.
    you've seen chick tracts, right
  • Lilly said:

    Christian films are some of the worst pieces of media imaginable.


    No one behaves anything like a real person, and it is all essentially propaganda for an idea (the existence of the Christian God) that is not even remotely unpopular.

    Somehow, this shit is popular.

    Presumably amongst the sort of person who values their media being moral over it being good.
    you've seen chick tracts, right
    Yes

    I don't know what you're getting at.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    I had a weird dream where I was in an urban area of Colerain (a Centralia city) and one of my Twitter friends was driving a minivan down a wet street and rear-ended a pickup truck because she couldn't brake in time

    For some reason the police saw fit to close down the entire street until it started snowing

    Dream traffic control logic
  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    i wasn't actually sure either.  but, like, the weirdest thing to me about chick tracts is that in jack chick's world, it seems that christianity itself is almost unheard of, like, people are just utterly confused by the idea of jesus, and it's so...counter to reality itself.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Sometimes i feel like Christianity was never meant to be popular.

    It was a religion birthed in oppression and raised in a world of persecution and fear.  The Christian ideology reflects this.

    Then it became part of the establishment.
  • Oh

    well Jack Chick is a madman, so that's only natural.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Lilly said:

    i wasn't actually sure either.  but, like, the weirdest thing to me about chick tracts is that in jack chick's world, it seems that christianity itself is almost unheard of, like, people are just utterly confused by the idea of jesus, and it's so...counter to reality itself.

    They don't know who Jesus is, but simultaneously hate him
  • Case in point: "There is no god!" "That's cause he's dead."
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    There's an idea that seems commonplace that if you know what Christianity is really about, or at least know as much about it as the average churchgoer, then of course you will believe in it, unless you are just a bitter and spiteful person.

    Like, that seems to be the logic evangelists operate under.

    All Chick tracts do is dramatize that worldview and expose its implications.  Rather like an inadvertant satire, i guess.
  • this is because Jesus is, in this frame of reference, something beyond a person or a concept, he's like a facet of reality itself

    it is impossible to truly know of Jesus and also hate him, and conversely if you do not know you are inherently filled with sinful loathing of him
  • naney said:

    this is because Jesus is, in this frame of reference, something beyond a person or a concept, he's like a facet of reality itself

    it is impossible to truly know of Jesus and also hate him, and conversely if you do not know you are inherently filled with sinful loathing of him

    • it's just such a profoundly dumb idea, I have no idea how it's so widely accepted.
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Pretty much, yeah.
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    BC is officially cast as Doctor Strange and I feel like I've died a little inside.

    I am going to go cry now.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Jesus-as-facet-of-reality isn't really a dumb idea.  At least, it doesn't seem dumb to me.

    But there's a weird argumentative manoeuvre here whereupon being presented with a basic explanation of the Biblical Christ narrative, you are presumed to somehow have access to this facet of reality and a deep understanding of its truthfulness and implications.  The two are equated, so evidence for the former is presented when evidence for the latter is what's required.
  • Tachyon said:

    Sometimes i feel like Christianity was never meant to be popular.

    It was a religion birthed in oppression and raised in a world of persecution and fear.  The Christian ideology reflects this.

    Then it became part of the establishment.

    Quite

    For this reason, I'm actually partial to doctrines that claim that most of Christianity won't be going to heaven.
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    cool

  • Tachyon said:

    Jesus-as-facet-of-reality isn't really a dumb idea.  At least, it doesn't seem dumb to me.

    Oh but I think it is.

    Jesus is the son of god first, and an actual facet of god second, in my mind.

    This comes across as pedantry, I'm sure, but I feel like placing him as the latter first inherently dehumanizes him, which is pointless, because why would God make a part of themselves a human if they did not want that part to be considered human first and foremost? 
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    Because humans are flawed and God is not.

    God was never human, merely walking around in a human suit for a bit.
  • edited 2014-12-05 00:34:56
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    ^^ i'm not sure i understand the implications of what you're saying there.  Jesus was a human being but He was always God and God is everlasting.  If you believe that, then to say that Jesus is a facet of reality is simply to say that God is a facet of reality.  No?

    ^ That is not how i understand it.  The Son of Man was human.  Human and divine, simultaneously.
  • God was never human, merely walking around in a human suit for a bit.
    That is not so.
  • Tachyon said:

    i'm not sure i understand the implications of what you're saying there.  Jesus was a human being but He was always God and God is everlasting.  If you believe that, then to say that Jesus is a facet of reality is simply to say that God is a facet of reality.  No?

    No.

    "God is a facet of reality" makes some sense because you are then speaking about, roughly, God the Creator. 

    God the Son is only the same entity in the strictest sense. It's like arguing a house and a boat are the same thing because they're made from the same kind of wood.
  • My dreams exceed my real life

    Because humans are flawed and God is not.


    God was never human, merely walking around in a human suit for a bit.
    I think that's a heresy to post-Nicene Creed Christianity.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch

    Tachyon said:

    i'm not sure i understand the implications of what you're saying there.  Jesus was a human being but He was always God and God is everlasting.  If you believe that, then to say that Jesus is a facet of reality is simply to say that God is a facet of reality.  No?

    No.

    "God is a facet of reality" makes some sense because you are then speaking about, roughly, God the Creator. 

    God the Son is only the same entity in the strictest sense. It's like arguing a house and a boat are the same thing because they're made from the same kind of wood.
    That sounds like a denial of the Trinity to me, but perhaps i just don't know theology.

    Well, i don't, that's not in question.  But i always believed God the Father and God the Son were the same in a more literal sense than you appear to be implying.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Panurge said:

    Kexruct: Koichi Hirose


    Imipolex G: Rohan Kishibe

    Central Avenue: Erina Pendleton

    Miko: Lisa-Lisa

    Midnight Velvet: Hermes Costello

    Anonus: Noriaki Kakyoin

    Sredni Vashtar: Santana/Diego Brando

    Aliroz: Will Zeppeli

    Yon Assassin: Yoshikage Kira

    Klinotaxis: Diavolo

    Tachyon: Jonathan Joestar

    Mojave Music: Narancia Ghirga

    Justice: Hol Horse

    Dio_Brando: DIO

    Tre: Jean-Pierre Polnareff
    Now that I look over this, Miko is really more of a Jolyne.

    Pyridrym is F.F.
  • Tachyon said:

    i'm not sure i understand the implications of what you're saying there.  Jesus was a human being but He was always God and God is everlasting.  If you believe that, then to say that Jesus is a facet of reality is simply to say that God is a facet of reality.  No?

    No.

    "God is a facet of reality" makes some sense because you are then speaking about, roughly, God the Creator. 

    God the Son is only the same entity in the strictest sense. It's like arguing a house and a boat are the same thing because they're made from the same kind of wood.


    That sounds like a denial of the Trinity to me, but perhaps i just don't know theology.

    I deny the Trinity as it is usually understood, though obviously not in general. I was raised Catholic but my current beliefs don't easily fit into any major church's. 

    Well, i don't, that's not in question.  But i always believed God the Father and God the Son were the same in a more literal sense than you appear to be implying.
    They are, again, the same in the same way a house and a boat made out of the same kind of wood are. It's hard to say how "the same" they really are without getting into philosophical paradoxes and junk.
  • Do quoteblocks just not work properly anymore for anyone else, or what.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Did quoteblocks ever work?
  • > implying quoteblocks worked properly beforehand
  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.

    Do quoteblocks just not work properly anymore for anyone else, or what.

    if the quoteblock loses its rel property, it now has no color, instead of being yellow
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    A house and a boat made from the same kind of wood are not the same at all.

    In the beginning was the Word.  And the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Lilly said:

    Do quoteblocks just not work properly anymore for anyone else, or what.

    if the quoteblock loses its rel property, it now has no color, instead of being yellow
    Ah.

    That explains some things.
  • Tachyon said:

    A house and a boat made from the same kind of wood are not the same at all.

    Not in the literal sense, no.
    Tachyon said:

    In the beginning was the Word.  And the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    And?
  • Tachyon said:

    A house and a boat made from the same kind of wood are not the same at all.

    what if it's a modular houseboat #architecturaltheology
  • Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
    I want to be Caesar.
  • I want to be Caesar.

    what Caesar
    the pizza one obvs
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    beware the Ides of Smarch
  • The Mysterious Ballerina and her Tree Stump Ghosts
    Caesar Salad?
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    I gotta go read some Chick Tracts, they usually cheer me up
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch

    Tachyon said:

    In the beginning was the Word.  And the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    And?

    And i took this to mean that there was Christ (and the Holy Spirit) as a part of the Trinity before the human Birth of Jesus.

    i should add that i was trying to consider the evangelical position here, and i was doing so with reference to my own beliefs. If you think that's dumb on the basis of a new or non-standard theology which denies the Trinity, well, you're entitled to your opinion, obviously, but for reasons which are equally obvious, i'm not going to agree with that.
  • reading all this is making me feel mighty euphoric
  • My dreams exceed my real life

    I want to be Caesar.

    okay
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    Panurge said:

    I want to be Caesar.

    okay
    I'm curious what I am.
  • #tfwspontaneousdoritofingers
  • Tachyon said:

    Tachyon said:

    In the beginning was the Word.  And the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    And?

    And i took this to mean that there was Christ (and the Holy Spirit) as a part of the Trinity before the human Birth of Jesus.

    i should add that i was trying to consider the evangelical position here, and i was doing so with reference to my own beliefs. If you think that's dumb on the basis of a new or non-standard theology which denies the Trinity, well, you're entitled to your opinion, obviously, but for reasons which are equally obvious, i'm not going to agree with that.
    I don't really blame you.

    I am a Christian in only the strictest sense, I suppose.

    Theological specifics aside I think we can agree that the idea of anyone who knows about Jesus must be either a purehearted Christian or a terrible person is dumb. I suppose I was more getting at the idea of that being dumb.
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