Mind you, some (IMO wrongheaded) strains of SJ manage to smack of colonialism as well (plenty of White Savior Complex going on).
Which forms of liberalism are you referring to? I think I know what you mean but ...
Broadly, i guess, those that have accepted the narratives of neoliberal economists and of the Cold War, and spend more time attacking Marxists and activists than they do conservatives and reactionaries, while still framing their arguments in terms of the maximizing of equal opportunity, free thought, scientific progress and democracy.
You see people like this a lot on reddit, and to a much lesser extent, tumblr... they tend to identify themselves as liberals, but 'reasonable' or 'moderate' ones.
Also, people who accuse activists of having ulterior motives.
Frankly I'd describe those people as quite conservative, at least in American terms, no matter how they may see themselves.
i hate that argument because it's so stupid yet people seem to take some kind of enjoyment from it.
Activists are somehow dishonest, because they merely wish to elevate themselves socially by appearing enlightened, or because their views stem not from a belief in equality but from a belief in collective guilt, or because they only care because caring 'feels good'... add to that the related accusation that gets leveled at left-wing celebrities and academics: that they belong to a class of cultural elites and are thus hypocrites.
None of these, if true, would have any bearing on the arguments the activists put forward, but nobody seems to care so long as the perceived smug liberal elites are being taken down a peg.
Also, people who accuse activists of having ulterior motives.
Frankly I'd describe those people as quite conservative, at least in American terms, no matter how they may see themselves.
i hate that argument because it's so stupid yet people seem to take some kind of enjoyment from it.
Activists are somehow dishonest, because they merely wish to elevate themselves socially by appearing enlightened, or because their views stem not from a belief in equality but from a belief in collective guilt, or because they only care because caring 'feels good'... add to that the related accusation that gets leveled at left-wing celebrities and academics: that they belong to a class of cultural elites and are thus hypocrites.
None of these, if true, would have any bearing on the arguments the activists put forward, but nobody seems to care so long as the perceived smug liberal elites are being taken down a peg.
That is how it is.
Heard this not two days ago from some old woman about how Obama only wants to let "the Mexicans" into our country because of his "liberal guilt".
For some reason that really doesn't strike me as something you'd know.
Anyhow
Kirby is actually probably my favorite of the "classic" first party Nintendo franchises. I like a couple Mario games very much, but have no real love for the franchise as a whole.
I'd argue the stupid parts of online SJ are exactly what happens when activism becomes a social status activity rather than keeping its eyes on real goals. However, this is a failure mode of activism, not the essence of it.
Really everyone has ulterior motives, so there is little point in accusing others of it general unless there is something that's on point to the actual argument.
I do get rather sick of parentally funded kid Marxists, though. Not because they're not well-meaning, but because they're goddamn annoying.
I'd argue the stupid parts of online SJ are exactly what happens when activism becomes a social status activity rather than keeping its eyes on real goals. However, this is a failure mode of activism, not the essence of it.
Given that the alternative is simply being apathetic, or actively supporting the status quo, I'd still say it's an improvement.
I'd argue the stupid parts of online SJ are exactly what happens when activism becomes a social status activity rather than keeping its eyes on real goals.
Well, perhaps. But then the valid criticism is that the activists in question have lost sight of their goals, not that their motives are dubious. The former is a complaint about what they're doing, the latter is simply an ad hominem.
I do get rather sick of parentally funded kid Marxists, though. Not because they're not well-meaning, but because they're goddamn annoying.
i'm not really disputing this, but when it gets to the point where people spend more time complaining about 'annoying' lefties than addressing actual inequality, you start to question their commitment to their stated principles.
Also, some of the things i've seen self-identified liberals dismiss have been pretty basic... that a poor black kid does not have the same opportunities as a moderately privileged white kid, for instance, or that Margaret Thatcher is not and has never been a feminist icon.
Man is a most complex simple creature: see what he weaves, and how base his reasons for doing so.
"Left" and "right" are limiting boundaries that ultimately contribute to the same horribly flawed political machine but at the same time I have no idea how you go around winning power to support your own position independent of the two extremes.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
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People often tell me that well meaning allies are actually more dangerous than people who outright hate you.
Given the antipathy I have had to live with, and seen other LGBTQ folks around me live with, I humbly disagree.
Nothing like getting your friend's tires slashed because someone thinks you might be "gay with them".
man you really need to get out of that shithole
that happened a long time ago, but the fact of the matter is that the only reason I don't regularly receive more abuse is because most of the people I went to high school with don't frequent the same places I do anymore.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
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At least, certain forms of liberalism seem decidedly Victorian and anti-SJ, and exceedingly self-congratulatory.
Broadly, i guess, those that have accepted the narratives of neoliberal economists and of the Cold War, and spend more time attacking Marxists and activists than they do conservatives and reactionaries, while still framing their arguments in terms of the maximizing of equal opportunity, free thought, scientific progress and democracy.
You see people like this a lot on reddit, and to a much lesser extent, tumblr... they tend to identify themselves as liberals, but 'reasonable' or 'moderate' ones.
i hate that argument because it's so stupid yet people seem to take some kind of enjoyment from it.
Activists are somehow dishonest, because they merely wish to elevate themselves socially by appearing enlightened, or because their views stem not from a belief in equality but from a belief in collective guilt, or because they only care because caring 'feels good'... add to that the related accusation that gets leveled at left-wing celebrities and academics: that they belong to a class of cultural elites and are thus hypocrites.
None of these, if true, would have any bearing on the arguments the activists put forward, but nobody seems to care so long as the perceived smug liberal elites are being taken down a peg.
i'm not really disputing this, but when it gets to the point where people spend more time complaining about 'annoying' lefties than addressing actual inequality, you start to question their commitment to their stated principles.
Also, some of the things i've seen self-identified liberals dismiss have been pretty basic... that a poor black kid does not have the same opportunities as a moderately privileged white kid, for instance, or that Margaret Thatcher is not and has never been a feminist icon.
The car is a Ford and the license plate is in the front, idk which side is the driver
i think my values are fairly typically British, really. Or at least, typical of certain parts of the UK.
Oh well.