The Trash Heap of the Heapers' Hangout

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  • The sadness will last forever.
    i want to eat more chocolate pies
  • The sadness will last forever.
    konami code
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    Yeah, Marxism as written was very much a product of its time and place (Germany during the Industrial Revolution). A lot's happened since then, and while I can see the "alienation" thing appealing to teenagers, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense in most of the world in 2014.
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    naney said:

    Oh yeah I get that, but the thing is that it seems to be the glue that holds his ideas together, so any sort of modern marxism should have to radically alter itself to be ideologically consistent and i don't really see that

    http://itself.wordpress.com/2012/07/10/heretical-thoughts-on-marx/

    In Continental circles, saying Marx was radically wrong about something is akin to saying you're a child molester. It's really annoying.
  • lee4hmz said:

    Yeah, Marxism as written was very much a product of its time and place (Germany during the Industrial Revolution). A lot's happened since then, and while I can see the "alienation" thing appealing to teenagers, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense in most of the world in 2014.

    If you don't like Marxism that's understandable, but acting like the term of art "alienation" is some kind of Hot Topic t-shirt thing? Like I would love to live in the world where the minutia of economic inequality and labor theory was the hip edgy thing that all the kids are into these days, but somehow I don't think that's the case. :p

    Anyway, the concept is actually pretty timely in the US today. Most of the jobs that have been made since the recession are crappy minimum wage jobs, the kind of thing no one's going to really be able to take pride in, and then there's the vast gulf between how productivity has increased and how wages have, uh, not. The alienation between what the average worker produces and what they receive just keeps growing.
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    goffik
  • hogwarts school of prayer and miracles
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    preps
  • i think i've been misunderstood

    i'd try to articulate myself better but like my brain is feeling kinda scrambled right now

    though to get to the root of things Marx's "economics is the root of everything and we can make people happy solely by changing economics" bent seems to fall short and does not really correlate to how people feel/function in my general experience/observations

    that's not to discount economic factors altogether or to suggest that there aren't problems with our current economic model, but rather that the approach given by Marx seems rather obviously and frustratingly incomplete, but i lack the level of knowledge and expertise to propose more holistic solutions
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Intersectionality>Traditional Marxism
  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.
    to be fair to marx, psychology as a field of study was much less far along (did anything resembling psychology even really exist back then?  dunno) when Marx was writing
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Lilly said:

    to be fair to marx, psychology as a field of study was much less far along (did anything resembling psychology even really exist back then?  dunno) when Marx was writing

    Psychology in the sense we would recognize it with people like Wundt got off the ground when Marx was fairly old.
  • kill living beings
    holy shit I cannot handle jalapenos
  • also the way that contemporary marxists seem to rather consistently feel that having a kinda shit office job is mostly equivalent to working 12 hour shifts in a coal mine circa when marx was writing is goofy

    like yeah i'm not determining what i make or how i spend my work day, but why are those things so important? like he just says WOW THOSE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT OK and i'm just supposed to nod in agreement?
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Most of the Marxists I know are more concerned about the way the First World abuses its power.
  • Sup bitches, witches, Haters, and trolls.

    holy shit I cannot handle jalapenos

    did you try just straight up eating one, raw? lol
  • i can get behind that i think
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    I recently read an article about Marx where he dissed people who refused to help efforts to make things better for workers just because it wasn't *full communism*

    The economists want the workers to remain in society as it is constituted and as it has been signed and sealed by them in their manuals. The socialists want the workers to leave the old society alone, the better to be able to enter the new society which they have prepared for them with so much foresight.

    And I thought "wow the only people I've seen do that in the modern day are hardcore Marxists"

    *irony*
  • naney said:

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    not sure if i like this jacket or not

    after extensive research i have concluded its Not Good
  • i like the tech fleece but it's a bomber angle but i don't like the weird splotch on the back, kills the clean techwear vibe
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    Haven: Wait, does it mean something different in this context? I'm used to alienation meaning, well, not being able to fit in or relate.
  • kill living beings
    alienation is a marxist term of art, yeah

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx's_theory_of_alienation

    being able to choose work hours is important for maintaining a life

    and no i didn't eat an jalapeno raw, i just bit into a four horsemen burger. in retrospect the name could have tipped me off
  • edited 2014-10-08 15:33:54

    ninja'd
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    Oh, okay. I'm in over my head, then.
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    rule 1 of philosophy: words never mean what they usually mean in everyday conversation
  • kill living beings
    my life flashed before my tongue
  • yeah the splotch was my main issue too
  • radio 4 is playing a show about sex robots its weird
  • holy shit I cannot handle jalapenos

    i misread that last word

    so i will combine the two

    holy shit I cannot handle jalapeñese


  • kill living beings
    way to make me look racist!!
  • nah, it's quite difficult to learn the language of peppers
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    killer drumming
  • kill living beings
    jalapenos made me sick to my mouth
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    *has REIMU bring Nitya some sour cream*
  • There is no era of television that inspires such a pure, fervent nostalgia as the Golden Age of Nickelodeon.
    hmm ok
  • naney said:

    There is no era of television that inspires such a pure, fervent nostalgia as the Golden Age of Nickelodeon.
    hmm ok
    you didn't even get to the part where the guy randomly gets really racist yet
  • edited 2014-10-08 16:12:18
    THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    I liked 1985-1995 Nick a lot too, but come on, I think 1951-1960 network television still has it beat in the nostalgia area.
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    Nickelodeon had Doug didn't they? Doug had all colors of people
  • naney said:

    There is no era of television that inspires such a pure, fervent nostalgia as the Golden Age of Nickelodeon.
    hmm ok
    you didn't even get to the part where the guy randomly gets really racist yet
    actually i heard about the article on tumblr beforehand so im just never gonna get to that part
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    He was banging on about how PC some of the sitcoms were and why couldn't everyone be white etcetcetc. Apparently Pete & Pete was their best show because it was set in white New Jersey suburbia. :P
  • edited 2014-10-08 16:25:18
    We can do anything if we do it together.

    Nickelodeon had Doug didn't they? Doug had all colors of people

    Doug — bringing it back to Nick — did a really good job of that. Is Skeeter black? They kind of joke about it in the show, because he’s the blue one.

  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    lolz
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    (I was trying to be funny and failing as usual)
  • edited 2014-10-08 16:26:55
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    You were alright.

    It's just that the inadvertent invocation of Poe's Law there amused me.
  • edited 2014-10-08 16:27:18
    overheard just now in a student lounge:

    "There's a hundred centimeters in a meter, and a thousand meters in a kilometer, so that's eleven hundred centimeters in a kilometer."

    Thankfully, this was quickly rectified.
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    dodged a bullet there
  • i am curious about the mechanism of confusion

    maybe the mechanism of confusion is that
    LINGUISTICALLY, it is additive: 100,000 = "hundred thousand"
    "hundred thousand" sounds like "hundred" plus "thousand".

    but MATHEMATICALLY it is multiplicative, NOT additive.
  • hypothesis:

    so if your thought basis is linguistic, then you might default to thinking it was additive.
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