You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
I could be deluding myself since I haven't watched it in a long time, but I thought there was an odd sort of sincerity and fidelity to the source material in the first film that you don't really see in any other Ninja Turtles media.
why would you expect a Ninja Turtles movie in 2014 to be anything but awful?
Exactly
MovieBob put it like this: He doesn't want to play into the pattern of nerd entitlement to things that appeal specifically to nerds like him rather than their actual target audience and dismiss it out of hand, and finds that early material can often be misleading towards the quality of the finished product (see: Frozen), so he gives everything a fair chance right up until he actually sees it.
Plus, no movie is destined to be terrible based entirely off of the property it's based off of and the year it's released, and I know you were being facetious but it's still an awfully dismissive thing to say.
Okay Odradek you seem to be misunderstanding several things here
First of all, media isn't about "value." Quality of execution is important, but the conversation on value is simply the wrong one to have. I can say I've played Skyrim more than I've played Portal, but in no regard can I say that one experience gave me more "bang for my buck" because both did different things with varying degrees of quality. You'd prefer to spend your money on things you enjoy, and that's fine. BUT
There is a difference between "I'm reasonably certain this will be not so good and as such would prefer not to spend my money on it" and "This movie is going to be bad, everyone knows it, so why do people bother criticizing it." People criticize things because there's a discussion to be had, and that discussion shouldn't be dismissed on the grounds of your not being interested in it. You can't police discussion when you're watching movies for your own enjoyment and not for a discussion (WHICH IS FINE. But there has to be some recognition that that's your intent.) And even if you can sometimes get a good-ish idea of quality in like ridiculously broad terms from trailers and promotional material and such, it is never. ever. ever. a sure thing until the movie is actually out there.
Look, I don't want to give you a hard time but there's an air of superiority towards people who would discuss things like that floating around here and I really resent it. I don't give you shit for talking about antinatalists all the time, because I recognize that- as risible as the philosophy is- it's something you find troubling enough to bring up a lot, even if it is in the capacity of mocking them.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
Does anyone in this age of LCDs still use screensavers? Besides my sister?
why would you expect a Ninja Turtles movie in 2014 to be anything but awful?
Exactly
MovieBob put it like this: He doesn't want to play into the pattern of nerd entitlement to things that appeal specifically to nerds like him rather than their actual target audience and dismiss it out of hand, and finds that early material can often be misleading towards the quality of the finished product (see: Frozen), so he gives everything a fair chance right up until he actually sees it.
Plus, no movie is destined to be terrible based entirely off of the property it's based off of and the year it's released, and I know you were being facetious but it's still an awfully dismissive thing to say.
I'm actually not being facetious at all.
The Ninja Turtles movie is targeted at two groups of people. People invested in the franchise, and children. The former are really the only reliable indicators of if it did it's job as "a Ninja Turtles movie", and consensus seems to be that it did not.
Giving something a chance is different from pretending it exists in a vacuum. IMO, given the past history of the franchise, Bay's past work (I am a pretty big Transformers fan and have a lot to say--none of it nice--about his treatment of that franchise), and similar movies from recent years, there is no reason at all to expect anything good out of a Ninja Turtles movie in 2014.
The difference between me, Odradek, you, most people who saw the movie, and this MovieBob fellow (who I am going to assume is a critic, correct me if I'm wrong), is that Bob's a critic, and seeing movies he probably privately thinks are going to be terrible is part of that job. If I were a critic I'd do the same, but I'm not, and neither are most people who went to see this thing.
My point, and Odradek's point, is that these people should probably have known better.
As a sidenote, I thought Frozen was awful and never saw the trailer.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
And my issue is this weird pretense that movie critics shouldn't talk about things they're interested in. Like, yeah, they're gonna talk about the new TMNT movie because it's popular and bad and because kids deserve good movies but they didn't get one, that kind of thing.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
You know, during some of my more involved Google Street View adventures last summer I made up the rule that, if I were to fall asleep while traveling, the unicorn I was riding would continue to carry me on to the next town so we could stop to rest.
In reality, this was my way of "cheating" by skipping uninteresting bits of countryside--if a stretch of highway was boring enough that I literally fell asleep during it, I'd just hop to the next town or village.
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why would you expect a Ninja Turtles movie in 2014 to be anything but awful?
The thing that stood out to me the most is how it made no impression at all
Plus, no movie is destined to be terrible based entirely off of the property it's based off of and the year it's released, and I know you were being facetious but it's still an awfully dismissive thing to say.
TMNT
Every trailer the movie has had
It's more like a "remember that" thing
The Ninja Turtles movie is targeted at two groups of people. People invested in the franchise, and children. The former are really the only reliable indicators of if it did it's job as "a Ninja Turtles movie", and consensus seems to be that it did not.
Giving something a chance is different from pretending it exists in a vacuum. IMO, given the past history of the franchise, Bay's past work (I am a pretty big Transformers fan and have a lot to say--none of it nice--about his treatment of that franchise), and similar movies from recent years, there is no reason at all to expect anything good out of a Ninja Turtles movie in 2014.
The difference between me, Odradek, you, most people who saw the movie, and this MovieBob fellow (who I am going to assume is a critic, correct me if I'm wrong), is that Bob's a critic, and seeing movies he probably privately thinks are going to be terrible is part of that job. If I were a critic I'd do the same, but I'm not, and neither are most people who went to see this thing.
My point, and Odradek's point, is that these people should probably have known better.
As a sidenote, I thought Frozen was awful and never saw the trailer.
Like I definitely know what you mean--see any time RockPaperShotgun's ever mentioned a Call of Duty game--but I haven't seen any of that.
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let it go
I can see how that'd be grating but you could just like.
Ignore it.
Do something else.
Etc.
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