The Trash Heap of the Heapers' Hangout

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  • time to try being Hesse again

    maybe Austria won't be rivaled to me this time.
  • kill living beings
    i've heard the linux version is buggy? and what i want out of politics games is something that lets me reenact the background to the battle of algiers which is probably not osmething a game is actually going to do
  • well yea the Linux version of everything is buggy.
  • kill living beings
    granted. i thought you mentioned the company didn't support them or something though.

    did you know, i installed KSP and when i ran it my entire computer hung? and now when i launch steam my window system crashes?

    there's a reason i don't spend much money and time on games

    well, multiple reasons, but that's a pretty good one
  • I believe Paradox's support of the Linux ports of their games is officially "low priority", yes.
  • holy fuck I can hear the annoying songs through my headphones
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    > annoying songs
    > Frozen

    Don't make me revoke your Centralia citizenship u_u
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”

    > annoying songs

    > Frozen

    Don't make me revoke your Centralia citizenship u_u
    I didn't like the songs much at all, although I thought the film itself was fun.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    The Wonderful 101 is pretty great.

    It suffers from the Platinum problem of requiring knowledge that it doesn't make clear to be good at it, though.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    I liked the songs enough that I bought one of those Shiny Music Circles that were popular in the '90s

    'Course, I'm a sucker for Disney musicals, and I've made no secret of this...
  • I'm gonna vassalize the electors and make them vote for me because I'm good at politics
  • kill living beings
    a thing
  • image Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.
    Paradox games in general are buggy. They're like Bethesda, but with less falling through the floor. And more Swedish.
  • image

    somehow I feel this will not go well for Koeln.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    your family should be watching Quick Draw McGraw
  • got my levi 511s

    gosh they are so comfyyyyy
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    who is Koeln
  • I'm almost certain I'm gonna take Diplomatic for my first idea group. I'm gonna need those extra diplomats.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    They should name a mountain after him

    Then it could be a Quick Draw McGraw Hill
  • Anonus said:

    who is Koeln

    Cologne.

    German teacher always told me that if you don't have an umlaut on your keyboard to just type "oe".
  • I gotta say my annoyance with its songs aside it's really cute to see my little cousin sitting like a foot from the TV watching her favorite movie.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”

    Anonus said:

    who is Koeln

    Cologne.

    German teacher always told me that if you don't have an umlaut on your keyboard to just type "oe".
    Yea.
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    OED
  • image Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.
    Not something my German teacher ever said.
  • alright I just finished sieging one of Cologne's two provinces and then one of my allies arbitrarily peaced out. Sigh.
  • Not something my German teacher ever said.

    her name was Mueller so I feel like she'd know.
  • edited 2014-06-24 16:50:02
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    ^^^^ That's an initialism.

    Although it could be a word in Danish or summat.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”

    Not something my German teacher ever said.

    The umlaut symbol is actually a legacy representation of superscript e in older texts. So traditionally, it would be ae, oe, ue.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”

    what's an initialism?

    An initialism is an abbreviation read letter by letter: FCC, OED, RPG.

    An acronym is read as a word: FIFA, NATO, NAFTA.
  • image Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.
    Well, although I call him my German teacher, he also taught Latin and Russian. Never took Russian, though.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    A friend of mine who majored in Russian told me that the correct stress is way more important than the phonetic aspect for various reasons. I found that interesting.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    You know, that explains some stuff.

    Like AK-47 Shirt thought I was being nitpicky for not realizing that when he said 'Vinnie Pooh' he meant 'Winnie the Pooh', and until I pointed it out didn't notice the difference between the 'w' and 'v' sounds, and also he had real trouble with the tones of Chinese words including No Indoor Voice's name, and I always thought he was just being lazy because I thought the difference was obvious.

    But he would get super irritated with the rest of us for saying his name with the stress on the wrong syllable.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Finnish and Estonian have very straightforward vowel and consonant sounds that do not change with context and vary mainly by length. Minna is minna is minna, as it were. Emphasis patterns are similarly specific, particularly with names: As in Hungarian, a related language, stress is *always* on the first syllable of each name.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    AK-47 Shirt's first language is actually Russian.  Does the same apply there?
  • edited 2014-06-24 17:12:05
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Russian does have extremely specific stress patterns, so yes, it would. Although where the emphasis lands is different: Bulgakov, not Bulgakov.
  • Miko said:

    ^ I think you are right.

    The reason I am very skeptical of the "games as art" thing, especially where storytelling is concerned, is that video games are expected to entertain and indulge, by virtue of being games. Every scene has to be written around a gameplay scenario. The player ultimately has to succeed, if a game narrative reaches an end, and it's hard to tell a thought-provoking story that centers on and is driven by a player overcoming the same type(s) of challenge repeatedly. But if the story goes too far beyond the gameplay, the gameplay feels superfluous, begging the question, "why is this even a game instead of a movie or something?" That is why I like to see video games as pure entertainment, maybe even something akin to pornography. But, I like when games are artful and expressive, without being long-winded and pretentious* like they want to be a movie. It's complicated.

    * by "pretentious," I here mean things such as having an anti-gun message in a game that rewards the player, and the main character, for using guns.

    Am I going to do my thing again? Yes, I am.

    Miko, I'm genuinely curious as to what the experience you're asking for actually is. An art game that is pure gameplay, never takes away player agency, isn't contingent on the player winning, and can't be considered pretentious.

    I think primarily all that matters for a game to work narratively is that it be good. Saying stuff like "it's not really a game" doesn't do anything for the medium. Asking for only pure gameplay just limits the means for artistic expression. It's like  taking hammers and nails from a carpenter because he should just be using sockets and nailing things in is cheating.

    Is there an art to delivering a message purely through gameplay? Of course. Is it the only art to making games? Absolutely not.
  • kill living beings
    god damn it this transfer function is all wrong and it's my fault probably i don't know
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch

    Russian does have extremely specific stress patterns, so yes, it would. Although where the emphasis lands is different: Bulgakov, not Bulgakov.

    That makes sense.

    He got annoyed because people kept putting the stress on the first syllable of his name.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Hey

    Hey Tre

    I bought Rayman Origins.
  • image Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.
    Odradek said:

    Hey


    Hey Tre

    I bought Rayman Origins.
    You shoulda bought Legends instead. It has most of Origin's levels.
  • edited 2014-06-24 17:57:12
    My dreams exceed my real life

    Odradek said:

    Hey


    Hey Tre

    I bought Rayman Origins.
    You shoulda bought Legends instead. It has most of Origin's levels.
    It wasn't on as much of a sale.
  • More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
    Kexruct said:

    Miko said:

    ^ I think you are right.

    The reason I am very skeptical of the "games as art" thing, especially where storytelling is concerned, is that video games are expected to entertain and indulge, by virtue of being games. Every scene has to be written around a gameplay scenario. The player ultimately has to succeed, if a game narrative reaches an end, and it's hard to tell a thought-provoking story that centers on and is driven by a player overcoming the same type(s) of challenge repeatedly. But if the story goes too far beyond the gameplay, the gameplay feels superfluous, begging the question, "why is this even a game instead of a movie or something?" That is why I like to see video games as pure entertainment, maybe even something akin to pornography. But, I like when games are artful and expressive, without being long-winded and pretentious* like they want to be a movie. It's complicated.

    * by "pretentious," I here mean things such as having an anti-gun message in a game that rewards the player, and the main character, for using guns.

    Am I going to do my thing again? Yes, I am.

    Miko, I'm genuinely curious as to what the experience you're asking for actually is. An art game that is pure gameplay, never takes away player agency, isn't contingent on the player winning, and can't be considered pretentious.

    I think primarily all that matters for a game to work narratively is that it be good. Saying stuff like "it's not really a game" doesn't do anything for the medium. Asking for only pure gameplay just limits the means for artistic expression. It's like  taking hammers and nails from a carpenter because he should just be using sockets and nailing things in is cheating.

    Is there an art to delivering a message purely through gameplay? Of course. Is it the only art to making games? Absolutely not.
    I don't ask for good art games but sometimes they happen and I like them. They are superior to cinematic games (key term incoming) in my opinion. I know other people have different ideas, but I don't see games as a medium for expression, just like I don't see a brick wall as a medium for expression. But that doesn't mean people can't use these things anyway for expression, and very nicely at that.

    Will no one indulge me in partaking of my thing


    #whine
    Your RPG? I am interested-ish.
  • kill living beings
    everything is wrong whyyyyy.
  • No, my new thing, which is more of a 'spur of the moment' music thing.

    But yes, also indulge me on my RPG stuff. Which I really should be getting back to. All sorts of stat balancing to be done and whatnot.
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