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  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Conversations.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    @ SF_Sorrow: I'm glad that we didn't offend you.

    That does seem like the simplest way to think about it, yes.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    I find it funny that many game companies tried to do the "give game enemies unique names in hopes people will refer to them as such" but it really only stuck with Mario.

    How many people remember what a stalfos is? or a kerog?
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    I remember what a Stalfos is, it's the skeletons from Zelda.

    Dunno about Kerog.
  • Odradek said:

    I find it funny that many game companies tried to do the "give game enemies unique names in hopes people will refer to them as such" but it really only stuck with Mario.

    How many people remember what a stalfos is? or a kerog?

    I'm not necessarily sure about that; it's more a matter of how unique the enemy is and if there's another name you can use for it (e.g. most people'd call a stalfos just a "skeleton" but for things like octorocks or leevers there aren't any generic names to use)
  • I haven't played much Zelda and I knew that stalfos is a thing from there but I didn't know what it was.

    Kerog sounds like a frog of some sort.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Actually, I usually remember Zelda enemies.  Poes, Redeads, Deku Scrubs, Skulltulas, Gibdos, Leevers, Moblins, Peahats, Wolfos, Like Likes...
  • edited 2014-06-06 21:19:03
    Although, then again, more people than I would expect do call the turtles Koopas, and the fish Cheep Cheeps, and stuff like that.
  • Odradek said:

    i dont think goosebumps books ever came into print i think they just mystically appeared in public school libraries one day already in mediocre condition

    this sounds like the concept for a low-tier SCP.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Kexruct said:

    Odradek said:

    I find it funny that many game companies tried to do the "give game enemies unique names in hopes people will refer to them as such" but it really only stuck with Mario.

    How many people remember what a stalfos is? or a kerog?

    I'm not necessarily sure about that; it's more a matter of how unique the enemy is and if there's another name you can use for it (e.g. most people'd call a stalfos just a "skeleton" but for things like octorocks or leevers there aren't any generic names to use)
    Indeed, I thought of this too.

    You can call podobos fireballs, but what name is there for a Goomba but a Goomba.

    Or a Kuriboh, I guess.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Wallmasters, Skullfish, Gerudos, Miniblins, Seahats, Floormasters, Dead Hands, Shadow Links, Skullwalltulas, Aeralfos, Dodongos...
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Tektites, Skull Kids, Chu Chus, Pol's Voices, Lynels, Deku Babas, Boko Babas, Bulblins, Bullbos, Lizalfos, Keese, Octoroks...
  • kill living beings

    I grew up castrating hogs on an Iowa farm
    only in America
    iowa is only in america yes
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    I like the idea that Zelda is the same story being retold by different cultures, because it's similar to the idea that Mario games are mostly different performances put on by a travelling troupe of actors.
  • Hm. There's also a matter of how readily available the actual name is. Like, in Zelda they're constantly throwing the monsters' names at you, but in a lot of games the names were only in the manual or something.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Uh... Guays, Bubbles, Iron Knuckles... I know there's loads more I'm forgetting.

    Those laser eye turret things.

    It's a while since I played Zelda, I think I'm doing pretty well here.
  • Odradek said:

    I like the idea that Zelda is the same story being retold by different cultures, because it's similar to the idea that Mario games are mostly different performances put on by a travelling troupe of actors.

    My headcanon with this interpretation is that there is more than one Legend of Zelda but certain thematically similar games- (Twilight Princess to A Link to the Past, or Link's Awakening to Phantom Hourglass, that kind of thing) are retellings of each other.
  • Tachyon said:

    Uh... Guays, Bubbles, Iron Knuckles... I know there's loads more I'm forgetting.

    Those laser eye turret things.

    It's a while since I played Zelda, I think I'm doing pretty well here.

    You're on a roll.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    in one of the games (Link's Awakening, I think) Kirby appeared as an enemy type and you had to defeat them by tricking them into eating bombs
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    I can remember the names of a handful of Badniks off the top of my head...Crabmeats, Shellcrackers, Buzz Bombers...
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Business Scrubs.  Moldorms.  Freezards.  Real Bombchus.

    I count Tingle as an enemy because in Four Swords Adventures if you were too slow to pick up items he would take them and sometimes an entire swarm of Tingles would descend on you.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    I like that in Mario 2, because Peach has already been rescued, she just adventures with Mario and Luigi and some Toad or other.

    I choose to believe Mario 2 was a psychic shared dream to rescue the inhabitants of dreamland from the dream tyrant Wart
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    I can remember a handful of E-series robots by number... E-102 Gamma, E-123 Omega, E-1001 Egg Pawn, E-2000 which afaik didn't have a name but had a big health bar in Sonic Heroes...
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Gamma and Omega were playable characters...

    Anyway, an entire swarm of Tingles sounds very Nintendo somehow
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    What else... I can remember a ton of Pokémon.  Everyone remembers those.

    I don't know if the enemies in Star Fox had names?
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Anonus said:

    Gamma and Omega were playable characters...

    That's how come i remember them. :p
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Pigma Dengar

    Matte paintings make me happy because they remind me of the Wizard of Oz
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Beetle.  War Wasp.  Metroid, obviously.  Chozo Ghost.  Sheegoth.  Space Pirate.  Omega Pirate.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Some day monkey won't play piano song

    play piano song.

  • this man looks so very british but i can't quite put my finger on what exactly it is that makes him so
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Oh, I do remember Pigma.

    Also Andross, Wolf, Leon, Andrew Oikonny, Panther, General Scales, Sharpclaws, the Galdon, Drakor, the RedEye tribe, the Aparoids, the Aparoid Queen

    And 'missiles', which was pronounced like 'mistles' rather than 'miss aisles', and which were the worst thing ever
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    MetaFour said:

    but like


    why would anyone want to have sex with someone they despise

    like i could see finding someone you dislike attractive, but like i wouldn't ever want to screw such a person in a bajillion years
    I think it's the same reason why a normal person would get angry at a dishwasher for not doing a good job cleaning the dishes, but would continue trying to use the dishwasher until it becomes too much trouble.

    That analogy makes me feel horrible. I'm sorry.
    Given that these people look at women as the Other and objects, it's not an inappropriate analogy...
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Tachyon said:

    And 'missiles', which was pronounced like 'mistles' rather than 'miss aisles', and which were the worst thing ever

    It is funny, because as a kid we had a James Bond game and my brother got annoyed at mistles being pronounced miss aisles.
  • edited 2014-06-06 21:42:53
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Heh.

    Regional language differences are fun.
  • edited 2014-06-06 21:46:30
    SF_Sorrow said:

    Tachyon said:

    Honestly, though, I was more concerned that what I was saying might be offensive to transgender or questioning heapers present.

    neither of you are offending me fwiw

    personally I think the most simplest way to think about all this is

    sex - biological 
    gender - behavioral, cultural, psychological

    gender identity - internal sense
    gender expression (roles) - external representation
    That sounds about right.

    So I guess, since I don't personally consider gender to have inherent meaning beyond (biological) sex, that either I don't have a gender identity, or my gender identity changes with how I feel at any given time, whether I feel (say) more female or male.

    Though, come to think of it, I don't really identify as a particular gender.  Because, when I think of myself and the roles I could take on in a social situation, there's just no real "cues" which I inherently associate with a gender "flavor" -- for example, I could take on a leader or follower role, but while some people might think of leadership as an inherently male thing, I don't -- I don't associate either role with either gender.

    Even when I think of something for which biological gender is inherently meaningful -- sexuality and sexual attraction (for reference, I'm heterosexual) -- I don't think of my attraction as being part of my "role" as a person of my (biological) gender.

    For example -- and pardon my phrasing it a little flippantly: I don't think that boning a chick is inherently manly.  Having (or desiring) sexual intercourse with women is clearly related to the issue of sexuality and gender, but I see it as just something that men are predominantly capable of doing (specifically the insert-tab-A-in-slot-B part of it) and predominantly biologically inclined to do (based on brain chemistry).  But, in my view, it's not inherently part of what I would call "manliness" -- that, instead, is just a collection of societally assigned traits (such as physical strength, gruffness, aggressiveness, boldness, lecherousness, etc.) that people stereotypically associate with and expect of people who are biologically male.  And I'd rather these stereotypes be dispelled, and that people be dealt with and perceived on an individual basis, without unreasonable presumptions/biases about what they're like based on their chromosomes or sex organs.

    But if "male" is to be defined separately from one's biological gender (i.e. sex), which dictates one's anatomy and sexual activity preferences, then...is it just a set of societally-defined stereotypes?  Or if not, then what is it?  What does it mean to be male, other than (biologically) having a penis and a Y chromosome (and secondary sex characteristics), or (socially) having traits stereotypically associated with being male, such as personality traits I mentioned above or wearing clothing deemed to be made for males?

    Right now, my "patch" solution is to postulate that there exists an inherent meaning to (in this example) "male", and that while I may not know/understand what it means, it clearly means something to at least some people.

    (Let me know if I'm offending anyone.  Apologies in advance to Wilhelm since he seems to be annoyed at the way I talk...)
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    But the reason they were the worst thing ever was because if you let even one get past you not only lost the mission immediately, but in the end cutscene the Great Fox would be damaged to remind you of your failure.
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    is there a gendery discussion going on

    seems like all day today I thought about wanting to be feminine
  • fucking dammit I can't even buy it off of iTunes because I forgot my password

    and my iTunes account is tied to the e-mail that I no longer have access to

    aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    The internet might make a modern update of Videodrome interesting.

    The film drew on the experience of seeing some stray bit of programming at 2 in the morning and being deeply disturbed, that's basically a way of life now that we have the internet.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    I don't have much to add to this line of conversation, except...

    As long as I can remember, I've felt like I was "meant" to be a girl

    I remember being like 3 years old and envying the little girl next door because she was a girl and I wasn't

    Then when I became a teenager, I learned about this idea of gender as a social construct

    So I thought "well, what if I consider myself a man, but just an effeminate man who likes superficially 'girly' things?"

    And I tried that

    But it didn't work

    I still wasn't happy

    Which suggests to me that, at least for me personally, there's something about me that's inherently female

    *shrug*
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Shame David Cronenberg doesn't make those kinds of films anymore.

    His son does, but he's not as good yet.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Odradek said:

    Tachyon said:

    And 'missiles', which was pronounced like 'mistles' rather than 'miss aisles', and which were the worst thing ever

    It is funny, because as a kid we had a James Bond game and my brother got annoyed at mistles being pronounced miss aisles.
    Missal offence system.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    Odradek said:

    i dont think goosebumps books ever came into print i think they just mystically appeared in public school libraries one day already in mediocre condition

    It always amused me how universal the dog-eared Goosebumps books seemed to be

    They were commonplace at all 3 elementary schools I went to
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    I don't really see sexual preference as having any intrinsic relation to biological sex, since people of either sex can obviously be gay or bi.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Odradek said:

    Shame David Cronenberg doesn't make those kinds of films anymore.


    His son does, but he's not as good yet.
    His son?

    I miss early Cronenberg. I can understand not wanting to be shoved in a box, and his core themes are really not that different, but I wish he would commit more acts of violence against cinematic decency.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Tachyon said:

    I don't really see sexual preference as having any intrinsic relation to biological sex, since people of either sex can obviously be gay or bi.

    Yeah, this. Other than what you call it, it doesn't really matter.

    Also, brain structure and transgender tend to be pretty closely related.
  • My dreams exceed my real life

    Odradek said:

    Shame David Cronenberg doesn't make those kinds of films anymore.


    His son does, but he's not as good yet.
    His son?

    I miss early Cronenberg. I can understand not wanting to be shoved in a box, and his core themes are really not that different, but I wish he would commit more acts of violence against cinematic decency.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiviral_(film)

    Not a fantastic movie, but Caleb Landry Jones is great in it and it does make you very uncomfortable.

    I'm surprised you  didn't know about it.
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    I never really thought of myself as transgender the way CA described it, but have always had some vague fascination with wanting to be more feminine and/or treated in a feminine way. Seems to become stronger with age, too.
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