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  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    how so?
  • I just feel like no one (not just here, in general) cares about anything I say or do unless I really pester them to, and when that happens I know it's just because I'm a bother and not because they're actually interested.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat

    I just feel like no one (not just here, in general) cares about anything I say or do unless I really pester them to, and when that happens I know it's just because I'm a bother and not because they're actually interested.

    I'm interested in some of what you say!
  • Well, thanks.

    I guess I just wish more people said as much. But now that I've said that, I'm less inclined to believe them if they do.

    It's a self-defeating cycle.
  • > climate change is bullshit

    well, if you (1) haven't really seen the climate change over your lifetime or haven't felt noticeable effects that have been generally attributed to climate change by the people around you, and (2) you see climate change as a political football, then it's possible.

    > it's not creepy for an adult to lust after 14-year-olds because 14 is the age of consent in some countries

    well, it looks like time for me to step in it again.
    1a. it's not a surprise for normal (and non-asexual) adult humans to find some physiologically sexually mature fellow human beings to be attractive.
    1b. some 14-year-olds, especially in places of the world where the age of puberty has gradually fallen (due in part to better nutrition), are physiologically sexually mature.  so there's a small subset that, statistically, normal adults would find attractive.
    1c. it IS creepy for adults to have either: intentions for sexual contact with 14-year-olds, or serious thoughts about pursuing romances with 14-year-olds.
    1d. it is downright wrong and ought to be flat-out illegal for the adult to act on those intentions or thoughts.  this is because 14-year-olds almost certainly do not have the emotional maturity to properly deal with such actions, and an adult taking such actions is tantamount to taking advantage of a weaker victim.
    2. age of consent is irrelevant to creepiness, since creepiness is a value judgement, NOT a legal judgement.  age of consent is a legal issue.

    > the western media is a pack of lies but russia does not produce propaganda

    1. western countries tend to have a stronger cultural emphasis on freedom of the press than russia does, as far as i know.
    2. if anything, western media tends to be controlled by media moguls rather than governments.  one would not call corporationally-biased productions "propaganda" anyway -- more like, advertisement.
    3. western countries also tend to have more of a political/cultural emphasis on individual liberty and questioning established social norms, which discourages the creation of propaganda
    4. the relatively wealthier economies of western countries give their citizens somewhat more ability (e.g. via free time) to evaluate and discuss issues with each other, which enables #3.

    it is of course possible for western countries to produce propaganda, but it is often less effective and prevalent -- especially if they have to compete with existing non-governmental media outlets (which have often been established using, in part, antagonistic press-vs.-government and private-vs.-public power relationships) to disseminate propaganda.

    * gay people choose to be gay, and and all claims to the contrary are highly controversial amongst the scientific community and their spread is the product of cultural imperialism

    1. do not, ever, try to apply reasoning to any individual's sexual preferences or paraphilias.  they develop outside the bounds of rational thinking.  i'm not gay myself so i can't say for sure, but as far as i can tell, people suddenly discover/realize one day that they're gay.  (whether they choose to tell other people is another matter.)
    2. people being gay is not the product of cultural imperialism.  people willing to say out loud that they are gay is.
  • yep it's true one day I was just hit in the face by the Bisexuality Truck and now I also like men.

    yep.
  • hat level: Ultimate

    hmm

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  • nah, yours is better.
  • edited 2014-03-27 04:57:39
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    @ Burgundy Queen - i am interested in much of what you have to say.  our interests don't always overlap, especially now that i don't listen to as much music as i used to and i'm no longer studying history, but i still like reading your posts, even if i don't always have anything to say in response.

    @glennmagusharvey - to the first two, i guess that explains why he might feel that way, but i still don't get how it's possible to maintain those views to adulthood without noticing the problems with them, especially given how many papers he's supposedly read about climate change

    to the third, well, yeah, that's why i find his views on the subject so baffling

    and to the fourth, i guess it's possible his perception that gay identification is the product of cultural imperialism is associated with an increase in people professing to be gay out loud... i don't think that's entirely the product of cultural imperialism, since that would imply that gay people in Russia don't have agency, surely?  not that he'd give a damn about that.

    (As an aside: for me, i was aware of attraction to men long before i considered myself bisexual, but when i was younger i tended to dismiss it because i was attracted to women more... as i've gotten older i've found that's been less the case and i'm attracted to both sexes.)
  • yep it's true one day I was just hit in the face by the Bisexuality Truck and now I also like men.

    yep.

    i never said that sexual preference had to begin at the same time as discovery.

    discovery can occur long after preference begins.
  • yep it's true one day I was just hit in the face by the Bisexuality Truck and now I also like men.

    yep.

    i never said that sexual preference had to begin at the same time as discovery.

    discovery can occur long after preference begins.
    That doesn't make any sense, man.

    hat level: Ultimate

    hmm

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    Team Fortress 2 is a perfectly competent multiplayer FPS that people seem to love for reasons that I should be able to identify with, yet cannot.
  • > given how many papers he's supposedly read about climate change

    well, what papers is he reading?

    > and to the fourth, i guess it's possible his perception that gay
    identification is the product of cultural imperialism is associated with
    an increase in people professing to be gay out loud... i don't think
    that's entirely the product of cultural imperialism, since that would
    imply that gay people in Russia don't have agency, surely?  not that
    he'd give a damn about that.

    what do you mean by cultural imperialism?

    i thought it meant that, due to the dominance of western countries in the world economy, western cultural ideas have become more commonly spread throughout the world.  people's willingness to pick up those cultural ideas and run with them is still their own sense of agency.

    if your acquaintance meant some sort of active, intentional "export" of culture, then that's completely bullshit.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    'One day, Mike woke up and discovered, to his surprise, that he was straight.'

    ...i guess that makes a kind of sense

    i mean, puberty
  • Tachyon said:

    'One day, Mike woke up and discovered, to his surprise, that he was straight.'

    This sounds like the first line of a comedy film that is a parody of those comedy films that are essentially "minorities are funny!" and little else.



  • i thought it meant that, due to the dominance of western countries in the world economy, western cultural ideas have become more commonly spread throughout the world.  people's willingness to pick up those cultural ideas and run with them is still their own sense of agency.

    this still implies that homosexuality is a "cultural idea" instead of a sexual orientation. Which is nonsense.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch

    well, what papers is he reading?

    i have no idea.

    >what do you mean by cultural imperialism?

    i thought it meant that, due to the dominance of western countries in the world economy, western cultural ideas have become more commonly spread throughout the world.  people's willingness to pick up those cultural ideas and run with them is still their own sense of agency.

    if your acquaintance meant some sort of active, intentional "export" of culture, then that's completely bullshit.

    'Cultural imperialism' is his term... as far as i can gather it means both the inadvertant spread of Western culture due to market forces and the deliberate spread of Western culture by governments, activists and the like, but i've never heard him distinguish between the two.
  • yep it's true one day I was just hit in the face by the Bisexuality Truck and now I also like men.

    yep.

    i never said that sexual preference had to begin at the same time as discovery.

    discovery can occur long after preference begins.
    That doesn't make any sense, man.

    i mean that it's entirely possible to have the basis of a sexual preference (or paraphilia, for that matter) going on in your brain and you might not consciously notice it until some time later.  that's why it's not a conscious choice -- you don't choose a sexuality and then start to feel that way; you feel that way and then realize your sexuality.  that's what i meant.

    at least, that's as far as i've been able to glean, in my few observations.

    Team Fortress 2 is a perfectly competent multiplayer FPS that people seem to love for reasons that I should be able to identify with, yet cannot.

    i think people play it because it's a generally well-designed, generally-well-balanced game, with amusing flavor.

    people return to it because they get invested in it, literally and figuratively.  the whole thing with hats and other cosmetics is pretty much purely a social feature involved in status determination and stereotypes and such.
  • *shrug*

    I never got why people buy stuff in DOTA2 either I guess.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch

    i thought it meant that, due to the dominance of western countries in the world economy, western cultural ideas have become more commonly spread throughout the world.  people's willingness to pick up those cultural ideas and run with them is still their own sense of agency.

    this still implies that homosexuality is a "cultural idea" instead of a sexual orientation. Which is nonsense.

    i'm assuming, for the sake of charity, that Glenn means that willingness to come out is a cultural idea, not homosexuality itself.
  • i thought it meant that, due to the dominance of western countries in the world economy, western cultural ideas have become more commonly spread throughout the world.  people's willingness to pick up those cultural ideas and run with them is still their own sense of agency.

    this still implies that homosexuality is a "cultural idea" instead of a sexual orientation. Which is nonsense.
    no, i'm saying that the willingness to speak openly about one's homosexuality is a cultural idea.
    Tachyon said:

    'Cultural imperialism' is his term... as far as i can gather it means both the inadvertant spread of Western culture due to market forces and the deliberate spread of Western culture by governments, activists and the like, but i've never heard him distinguish between the two.

    sounds like you should force him to distinguish the two.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i see no reason to; it's irrelevant to the argument

    in any case, i don't think the latter is bullshit, since there are plenty of people who desire to spread Western ideas to other countries, for a variety of reasons (e.g. profit, religious fervour, humanitarian concerns)
  • phuh. Whatever.

    Is writing about the cultural significance of "witch hats" in a fictional universe a poor idea? Probably, but I'm also probably going to do it anyway.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    It is not.
  • "Poor" in the sense of "wasting my time", but oh well.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i think it's something you'd enjoy doing?  so not a waste of time

    and worldbuilding is fun to read, anyway

    besides, all writing is good practice
  • *shrug*

    I never got why people buy stuff in DOTA2 either I guess.

    well i dunno about dota 2 but i think it's kinda like, y'know, you're playing tf2 over and over again, and by itself it's kinda boring, but once you see that you're getting these random weapon drops, it becomes a little more interesting.  then you find out you can craft them into cosmetic items like the cool things that other people are wearing and which makes them look distinctive, as well as other weapons that allow you alternative playstyles and more variety of experiences.  but only "like"! -- not exactly what they have.  if you want to get what they have, and look interesting and novel and thus cool like them, you'll have to get more items and trade for them or something.  and there's always that rush of "wow" when you get a random rare drop like a hat.  and then if you keep going down that rabbit hole, you also get into getting yourself cooler and cooler hats and other cosmetics.  maybe you start designing item sets and give them custom names and descriptions to crack silly jokes.  or maybe that other hat you can get by just trading like a good amount of stuff you have, but if you trade with some other people judiciously you might be able to get it for cheaper.  and nowadays there are things like strange and killstreak weapons which count either total number of kills or number of kills in a row, so if you like showing off those are your thing.  or something like that.  and at the far end of the rabbit hole, we've got the "unusual" hats -- extremely rare, and have really distinctive and tacky special effects attached to them.  they may be tacky and stupid but they get everyone's attention, and pretty much brand you as someone who knows the game very well.  so...yeah.

    TL;DR: come for the PVP gameplay, stay for the random little things that keep up your interest.

    note that you can't get craftable items from the store.  you HAVE to play the game and wait for items to drop, only dropped items are craftable into metal, the trading currency of TF2.  so this basically forces people to actually populate servers.
  • worldbuilding IS fun, and it can always act as supplemental material.
  • For once, or maybe twice, I was in my prime.

    MetaFour said:

    Let's all kill the giants. Let's all kill the giants.

    Ok, so follow with me for a second, If Angels and Humans spawned some creatures called Nephilim, and these offspring were giants.

    Are you telling us to kill Angel babies?

    I think it's actually lyrics from the perspective of someone with severe Tall Poppy Syndrome. So killing angel babies wouldn't be too far off-base.
  • You know, this talk about homosexuality has reminded me that people haven't really come up with a good argument as to why homosexuality(even if it happened to be a choice) is a bad thing.

  • Even if X were a choice, you have not established x to be bad.
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    moo
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    looks like Led Zep's catalogue is gonna come out in new SUPER DELUXE editions in June

    suppose I'll probably end up gettin' em
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    moo
  • 9 + 3 = 12
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    forbidden barrage
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Disney sold ABC to New Capital Cities Communications (later to be known as ABC Inc) in 2010; shortly thereafter, the network reacquired WXYZ from Scripps. This served no purpose whatsoever.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    For the life of me, I don't understand why anyone would care about the Ninja Turtles movie.
  • At the big downtown library, have picked up some cool CDs
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    When examining works on a political basis, I think it is often more important to see if conservatives hate something than to see whether leftists love something. Am I wrong here?
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Odradek said:

    For the life of me, I don't understand why anyone would care about the Ninja Turtles movie.

    because '90s nostalgia
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Anonus said:

    Odradek said:

    For the life of me, I don't understand why anyone would care about the Ninja Turtles movie.

    because '90s nostalgia
    Worse.


    EIGHTIES NOSTALGIA DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN
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    170s nostalgia.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Like, I heard a leftist call 12 Years A Slave an "Ayn Randian white savior fantasy"

    And I'm like, wut?
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    Odradek said:

    Anonus said:

    Odradek said:

    For the life of me, I don't understand why anyone would care about the Ninja Turtles movie.

    because '90s nostalgia
    Worse.


    EIGHTIES NOSTALGIA DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN
    The live-action films are pretty 1990s to me, and that's clearly what they're emulating with the new one.
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