It's not conservationist in the environmental sense, because the word for that is 'conservationism'. Or 'environmentalism'. The two do not necessarily go hand in hand.
it actually seems that the proper opposite to this sort of "conservative" would be idealism, actually
which is kinda the role i feel i'm in when arguing with you about language and similarly when i was arguing with black humor on tvt about renames
i was always advocating better trope names, where better meant more functional even if it means fixing wicks and turning inbound links into redirects
but black humor, and various other people but i remember BH most vividly for some reason, always argued that the existing names weren't that bad and/or they should be kept because people are always using them
so i didn't say it at the time but i later put two and two together and thought, so if we follow the "keep the status quo unless it really really needs changing" principle, doesn't that mean that nothing except the worst trope names are ever going to be changed, and slightly-bad trope names are rarely going to be fixed because people will have already been using them, and the longer a name has been used the more inertia there is to changing it?
which means that things are being judged not by some time-independent (at least within second-order effects) standard of quality, but instead by how long and prevalently people have been using a term
i guess in considered in terms of linguistic philosophy, i was a trope name reformist.
That's because i felt that tropes should be accessible to people who weren't already familiar with the website, so existing use didn't matter to me, only clarity.
The exception was when it was a long-established term off-site, in which case i would defend it on the grounds of being a pre-existing term.
> That's because i felt that tropes should be accessible to people who weren't already familiar with the website, so existing use didn't matter to me, only clarity.
interesting, we'd be allies on this policy opinion.
> The exception was when it was a long-established term off-site, in which case i would defend it on the grounds of being a pre-existing term.
well in the case of a major website like tv tropes, it might actually have enough social influence (direct or indirect) to change usage gradually, so it's actually possible that, say, if people had decided to call the metroidvania subgenre "non-linear exploration", there's some chance that rather than that term falling by the wayside, it could result in "metroidvania" falling by the wayside and people gradually adopting the term "NLE" or something like that
> You didn't kill the chat, it's just hard to post quickly and eat noodles at the same time.
i'm just afraid that by bringing up tvt i caused a number of people to go "not this shit again" and walk away
well in the case of a major website like tv tropes, it might actually have enough social influence (direct or indirect) to change usage gradually, so it's actually possible that, say, if people had decided to call the metroidvania subgenre "non-linear exploration", there's some chance that rather than that term falling by the wayside, it could result in "metroidvania" falling by the wayside and people gradually adopting the term "NLE" or something like that
In the long term, perhaps.
Generally i would favour only terms with long-established industry, academic, critical or fan use, though. TVT only goes back to 2007.
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5.83 thousand fanfics with tropes mentioned by name in the text itself
There's one bit in MARDEK (the RPG that I've been plugging at for the last week or so) where the mercenary guy's explaining his backstory (which is the first bit of information that we get on this guy besides 'he'll kill things for money'), and the protagonist goes 'oh, so you're a Proud Warrior Race Guy'. And it just breaks me out of the game.
5.83 thousand fanfics with tropes mentioned by name in the text itself
There's one bit in MARDEK (the RPG that I've been plugging at for the last week or so) where the mercenary guy's explaining his backstory (which is the first bit of information that we get on this guy besides 'he'll kill things for money'), and the protagonist goes 'oh, so you're a Proud Warrior Race Guy'. And it just breaks me out of the game.
well, "proud warrior race guy" could work as a legitimate thing someone might say...though it would probably be lowercase and might be spelled "proud warrior-race guy", and delivered with some amount of disdainful sarcasm.
Really i guess my attitude towards language is that free expression is good, that people should not be looked down upon for coming from somewhere with different linguistic conventions (including dialects and jargon, but also including slang and circles in which profanity is inoffensive), and that natural language tends to be altogether more expressive and diverse than constructed language.
New coinages are acceptable to me if made on the grounds of creativity, expression, or respect for other people. Coinages on the grounds of something as trivial as linguistic pedantry are only acceptable to me once they become sufficiently popular that they are commonly understood, otherwise i see their construction as a frivolous, slightly elitist exercise that actually impedes communication more often than not.
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well, "proud warrior race guy" could work as a legitimate thing someone might say...though it would probably be lowercase and might be spelled "proud warrior-race guy", and delivered with some amount of disdainful sarcasm.
Doesn't sound very natural to me. If it was said at all it would be a reference to some kind of pre-existing stereotype, probably a racist one.
well, "proud warrior race guy" could work as a legitimate thing someone might say...though it would probably be lowercase and might be spelled "proud warrior-race guy", and delivered with some amount of disdainful sarcasm.
Doesn't sound very natural to me. If it was said at all it would be a reference to some kind of pre-existing stereotype, probably a racist one.
yeah, basically. my mental image was some white european (possibly british since speaking english) colonialist using the term to refer to a non-white native of some non-european location (such as africa or indochina or elsewhere) in a sneering, pejorative manner.
on the other hand, no one will ever talk naturally about having a "sean connery is about to shoot you" moment.
You'll hate me, but i actually kinda liked that name, for no other reason than i found it funny and evocative.
it dosen't even tell what the trope is about!
it would be ever so slightly better if the person named were james bond rather than sean connery, since at least james bond is famous for his movies where he starts off by pointing a gun at the camera during the OP
sean connery, on the other hand, registers as "memetic scottish actor guy" in my mind. nothing about the way a gun is being pointed relative to the camera angle.
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Sorry,
that's what I've been saying.
It's not conservationist in the environmental sense, because the word for that is 'conservationism'. Or 'environmentalism'. The two do not necessarily go hand in hand.
No, that gets too confused with perseveration.
GAMRESUR
i guess in considered in terms of linguistic philosophy, i was a trope name reformist.
That's because i felt that tropes should be accessible to people who weren't already familiar with the website, so existing use didn't matter to me, only clarity.
The exception was when it was a long-established term off-site, in which case i would defend it on the grounds of being a pre-existing term.
Dude!
Please show respect for the interests of others.
It's just basic courtesy.
Never mind, then.
In the long term, perhaps.
Generally i would favour only terms with long-established industry, academic, critical or fan use, though. TVT only goes back to 2007.
RESURGAM.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
New coinages are acceptable to me if made on the grounds of creativity, expression, or respect for other people. Coinages on the grounds of something as trivial as linguistic pedantry are only acceptable to me once they become sufficiently popular that they are commonly understood, otherwise i see their construction as a frivolous, slightly elitist exercise that actually impedes communication more often than not.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
You'll hate me, but i actually kinda liked that name, for no other reason than i found it funny and evocative.
And it tells you exactly what the trope is about: it's that pose from the opening.
But admittedly, it's only evocative if you recognize the reference; otherwise it's completely opaque.
I also find it funny how awkward it is for a trope title, which again is not a good reason to argue in support of it.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead