Tachyon, I find swearing annoying largely because it seems sort of vulgar and impolite, but that is really just more of a personal preference than anything though. There are definitely ways to be similarly vulgar without cursing and I recognize that not everybody who curses means to be mean-spirited or hateful when they do it. That said, I can see how certain swears linked to sexual, religious, or racial/ethnic stuff might be actively harmful rather than just unpleasant.
Well, slurs are different, since they're actively aggressive. If i say something is 'f***ing awful', i'm not disparaging any group of people, i'm just emphasizing my point.
It is vulgar, that's true, but in a casual environment i don't see that it matters so much. They are, after all, only words.
In general, i tend to feel that banning something makes life harder for the person who enjoys the thing that's banned than legalizing makes life for the person who dislikes the thing that's legalized.
Obviously here i'm referring to victimless crimes, not things like arson.
Marijuana isn't victimless. The victim is your respiratory system. And the poor soil, having to have so much nitrogen to grow the plant.
Marijuana is less harmful for your lungs than tobacco. Passive smoking is a real risk, of course, and i do think smokers should show some consideration for others.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
Every time I'm in a state that allows public smoking, I end up thankful that I live in Liberalville, USA
And I do have a personal stake in ganja not being illegal.
Drug crime is, on average, punished more severely than the crime would usually entail in other countries. Drug crime usually tends to screw up young black people. People like my best friend from childhood, who accidentally ate the wrong brownies at school and nearly got twisted into the legal system.
Less laws against drugs means less drug crimes meaning less black people spending most of their lives in jail which leads to black people being less under the thumb of the executive arm of the law.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
It's weird to think back to when I was a kid
And you'd go into a restaurant and they'd ask you "smoking or non-smoking?"
But there wasn't all that much division between the smoking and non-smoking sections so if you were unlucky to end up close enough to the smoking section you'd have to breathe that shit either way
I guess this is still the case in a lot of other states...
Marijuana is less harmful for your lungs than tobacco. Passive smoking is a real risk, of course, and i do think smokers should show some consideration for others.
Yeah, in the same way drinking salt water is less harmful than nitric acid. Still don't want to drink any salt water.
Coming from a place with air quality like mine, I think my idea of what a "Normal respiratory system" is is a bit different from most people's. With inversions like those, There's already something of a social health issue. I just feel that any risk of damage to the respiratory system is not something to be taken so lightly.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
Tachyon, It is vulgar, that's true, but in a casual environment i don't see that it matters so much. They are, after all, only words.
You certainly make legitimate points. Freedom of expression is something to be valued to be sure. If the person in question is not cursing constantly or doing it in a hateful way, there may be little reason for concern. I would not want to be making a mountain out of a molehill here.
If I may quibble with your example a bit though, I think the word you mentioned is still deeply linked to sexual stuff. I know you did not mean it this way, but I think that in certain contexts it can be used as a form of sexual harassment. Plus, I think that at best its usage often entails inserting sexual language where it does not belong. As such, I still believe there are decent reasons for people to either avoid using it altogether or be more cautious about how they use it.
@Al: But that place bans public smoking, which is a thing that you dislike.
And all told, despite your crotchetiness, you are probably as liberal as if not more liberal than most people in the US when it comes to a number of practical things.
i'm pretty sure that if the u.s. constitution were written today, the second amendment would instead read something like "a well-running economy being necessary to the functioning of a free state, the right of the people to drive and be transported shall not be infringed."
or something involving transportation, basically. especially driving. since it's pretty much impossible to survive in the united states without a car. unless you are in a big city.
but basically, my point is that it was more era-dependent than some people think it is (those people who think of it as some sort of timeless evertrue magical artifact or something).
Every time I'm in a state that allows public smoking, I end up thankful that I live in Liberalville, USA
I hate that place. Liberals seem to disagree with me a lot.
@Yarrun: Yeah, Alcohol and Tobacco should be illegal.
Mmmmmm
I'm just saying that I'd prefer if the laws were consistent.
If we're not banning ganja for health issues (because if we were, tobacco would be banned as well), then why are we banning it? Because it's involved in crime? So's alcohol, but we overrode an amendment to get that back in the system.
Conservationism is, well, by etymology, conservative. Therefore, environmentalism should be the crusade of the conservative. Same with trying to use resources more efficiently and be less wasteful. Conserving resources.
Having more restraints on industrial expansion, drug use, and exploitation. But, well, also less conductive to progress, change, innovation, and adaptation (All of which are necessary). Obviously, a balance between the frugal conservative use of resources and the liberal drive to be generous and do great things is needed. A balance between the desire to preserve the environment and the need to feed the hungry (farms vs wetlands) is needed.
Stupid conservatives not being what I think conservative should mean.
It’s the future, and Queen Elizabeth the Third and Queen Elizabeth the Fourth are going to a party held by Queen Elizabeth the Fifth. They're keen to make the right impression, so it’s important that they choose their outfits carefully. Queen Elizabeth the Third has forty dresses to choose from, whereas Queen Elizabeth the Fourth has four thousand. Queen Elizabeth the Fifth has just one dress, but it has the ability to transform itself into the shape of any dress. The night before the party, Queen Elizabeth the Fourth’s handmaiden steals the patents to Queen Elizabeth the Third’s dresses and -- working through till dawn -- makes forty exact replicas. Can you calculate the probability that all three queens will be wearing the same dress at the party? And how many times can Queen Elizabeth the Fifth’s dress change before it overheats?
Not shipping them. Just making an educated guess on the next relationship that Jeph Jacques will write in the hit webcomic that everyone on this forum knows about.
Every time I'm in a state that allows public smoking, I end up thankful that I live in Liberalville, USA
I hate that place. Liberals seem to disagree with me a lot.
@Yarrun: Yeah, Alcohol and Tobacco should be illegal.
Mmmmmm
I'm just saying that I'd prefer if the laws were consistent.
If we're not banning ganja for health issues (because if we were, tobacco would be banned as well), then why are we banning it? Because it's involved in crime? So's alcohol, but we overrode an amendment to get that back in the system.
I was thinking health issues for Marijuana, and the things that are worse.
As for the crime thing, it's clear the current methods and goals aren't working, and are doing serious harm (see:underclass).
Something radically different is needed. Something to stop that spiral of the system, that oppression of the melanin-rich part of humanity.
Maybe even that won't work. If not, then flip the table and just legalize marijuana. The benefits of not having it aren't worth the social problems.
I'm a conservative because I like to be efficient and prudent and I'm also a liberal because I like to be charitable and accepting. There's no reason there should be any conflict between these two.
Also, liberalism and conservatism are not opposed to each other.
I know.
They are supporting and stabilizing one another.
Like the poles of a tent, coming from different points and going in different directions, but supporting each other and giving strength to the whole tent.
I'm a conservative because I like to be efficient and prudent and I'm also a liberal because I like to be charitable and accepting. There's no reason there should be any conflict between these two.
I know!
We need more words, more terms! More axes against which to chart this!
Tachyon, It is vulgar, that's true, but in a casual environment i don't see that it matters so much. They are, after all, only words.
You certainly make legitimate points. Freedom of expression is something to be valued to be sure. If the person in question is not cursing constantly or doing it in a hateful way, there may be little reason for concern. I would not want to be making a mountain out of a molehill here.
If I may quibble with your example a bit though, I think the word you mentioned is still deeply linked to sexual stuff. I know you did not mean it this way, but I think that in certain contexts it can be used as a form of sexual harassment. Plus, I think that at best its usage often entails inserting sexual language where it does not belong. As such, I still believe there are decent reasons for people to either avoid using it altogether or be more cautious about how they use it.
It depends on the use and the context, for sure. But in the example i gave, if, say, i said the weather was 'f***ing awful', i'm not talking about sex, and i'm certainly not harrassing anyone. i'm simply stating that the weather was very bad, and using harsh language to emphasize my point.
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I find swearing annoying largely because it seems sort of vulgar and impolite, but that is really just more of a personal preference than anything though. There are definitely ways to be similarly vulgar without cursing and I recognize that not everybody who curses means to be mean-spirited or hateful when they do it. That said, I can see how certain swears linked to sexual, religious, or racial/ethnic stuff might be actively harmful rather than just unpleasant.
is hosting this year's MTV Movie Awards, apparently
It is vulgar, that's true, but in a casual environment i don't see that it matters so much. They are, after all, only words.
Marijuana isn't victimless. The victim is your respiratory system. And the poor soil, having to have so much nitrogen to grow the plant.
Yeah....
To think I once wanted to go there...
Oh well, there are other plateaus.
i think probably food
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Yeah, in the same way drinking salt water is less harmful than nitric acid. Still don't want to drink any salt water.
Coming from a place with air quality like mine, I think my idea of what a "Normal respiratory system" is is a bit different from most people's. With inversions like those, There's already something of a social health issue. I just feel that any risk of damage to the respiratory system is not something to be taken so lightly.
-different paradigms-
I hate that place. Liberals seem to disagree with me a lot.
@Yarrun: Yeah, Alcohol and Tobacco should be illegal.
It is vulgar, that's true, but in a casual environment i don't see that it matters so much. They are, after all, only words.
You certainly make legitimate points. Freedom of expression is something to be valued to be sure. If the person in question is not cursing constantly or doing it in a hateful way, there may be little reason for concern. I would not want to be making a mountain out of a molehill here.
If I may quibble with your example a bit though, I think the word you mentioned is still deeply linked to sexual stuff. I know you did not mean it this way, but I think that in certain contexts it can be used as a form of sexual harassment. Plus, I think that at best its usage often entails inserting sexual language where it does not belong. As such, I still believe there are decent reasons for people to either avoid using it altogether or be more cautious about how they use it.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Having more restraints on industrial expansion, drug use, and exploitation. But, well, also less conductive to progress, change, innovation, and adaptation (All of which are necessary). Obviously, a balance between the frugal conservative use of resources and the liberal drive to be generous and do great things is needed. A balance between the desire to preserve the environment and the need to feed the hungry (farms vs wetlands) is needed.
Stupid conservatives not being what I think conservative should mean.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
I was thinking health issues for Marijuana, and the things that are worse.
As for the crime thing, it's clear the current methods and goals aren't working, and are doing serious harm (see:underclass).
Something radically different is needed. Something to stop that spiral of the system, that oppression of the melanin-rich part of humanity.
Maybe even that won't work. If not, then flip the table and just legalize marijuana. The benefits of not having it aren't worth the social problems.
I know.
They are supporting and stabilizing one another.
Like the poles of a tent, coming from different points and going in different directions, but supporting each other and giving strength to the whole tent.
I know!
We need more words, more terms! More axes against which to chart this!
Let's do this!
HEY. INVERSIONS! IT WON'T DISSIPATE, YOU FLATLANDER FELINE OF FELICITOUS FLUCTUATION.
CONSERVATION.
CONSERVAT... ION
CONSERVAT...ISM
CONSERVAT...IVE.