The Trash Heap of the Heapers' Hangout

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  • KAPPA FACE
    Tachyon said:

    would it, though?

    obviously having it be Andrew Hussie would be stupid, but i've often thought it's kind of a shame that in every Pokémon game you play as this generic kid

    and that the story tends to follow a fairly rigid formula, at least in all the ones i've played

    i don't know any other RPG series as large as Pokémon where this is the case

    The player character in the Pokemon series is effectively an AFGNCAAP despite being visible. They are who you want them to be, and to take away that would make the games significantly less interesting in my own opinion.

    The story being formulaic is another matter though. I could personally do with a more open-world experience and none of this Team Noun nonsense, but I don't know how the fandom in general would feel about that.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    lift your skinny dongers like antennas to heaven
  • edited 2014-03-04 03:12:27
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    ^^ they could still change up the character design a little without removing the AFGNCAAP aspect, though

    as it is they're not really 'who you want them to be' unless you want to be some kid in a silly hat
  • Also the often-wished-for PokeMMO would be interesting if done well.

    One of the things I really, really like about X so far is that it gives you the ability to acquire a trainer class (granted you have only one option, and it's the unique-to-this-gen Noble, but still).
  • Tachyon said:

    ^^ they could still change up the character design a little without removing the AFGNCAAP aspect, though

    as it is they're not really 'who you want them to be' unless you want to be some kid in a silly hat

    Hey, respect the pokeprotags' hats.

    I do feel that that's sort of why they added the customization they did in Gen VI. Hopefully it'll get more customizable as time goes on.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i'm not into MMOs but a Pokémon MMO seems like a no-brainer

    kinda wonder why there isn't one already
  • because nintendo is super-conservative with their franchises in general
  • edited 2014-03-04 03:16:36
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    In-story!Andrew Hussie would make for a delightfully ridiculous player option in just about any RPG-type game with dialogue options, honestly.
  • Tachyon said:

    i'm not into MMOs but a Pokémon MMO seems like a no-brainer

    kinda wonder why there isn't one already

    I've heard a lot of explanations for this, most of them boil down to "it would require releasing a Pokemon game on the PC, and Nintendo really hates putting things on platforms that they don't own".

    Granted, I would think Gamefreak has some agency there, but perhaps not.
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    zzzzzzzzzest

    i need to catch up on homestuck :<
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    as do i
  • a Kill la Kill AU where everyone is a Pokemon trainer.
  • "where everyone is a Pokemon trainer" is one of the best AUs because you can apply almost any character interactions to the Pokeverse.
  • a Kill la Kill AU where everyone is a Pokemon trainer.

    someone would have a bisharp

    but who
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    but not right now when i have more than a dozen other things i should be reading
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”

    zzzzzzzzzest


    i need to catch up on homestuck :<
    Well, you have two options: Restart now and then wait for the finale with the rest of us, or read serially all the way through when the final update comes.

    Either one is worth it, honestly.

    I will warn you about Openbound, though: Reading between the lines is way more entertaining than what is actually presented upfront.
  • I can't be the only person who just mentally pronounces the TPP2 protag's name as "Ayden" can I?
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    There's no need to fear, Underdog is here
  • a Kill la Kill AU where everyone is a Pokemon trainer.

    someone would have a bisharp

    but who
    either Satsuki or Gamagoori.

    I imagine Gamagoori would specialize in Steel types in general.
  • Anonus said:

    There's no need to fear, Underdog is here

    I called Hong Kong Phooey you poorly-drawn Superman knockoff.
  • im not sure how i feel about homestuck

    like i've had quite a few people point out that it's a huge roiling ball of excess, plot tumors, endlessly recursive in-jokes and drifting purpose, which are normally not things i'd get behind

    but in homestuck it's to such a huge degree that it becomes breathtaking

    it's like a black hole
  • My actual opinions on Homestuck are neutral to mildly negative.

    My opinions on the vast majority of Homestuck fans I have interacted with are....less ambiguous.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”

    im not sure how i feel about homestuck


    like i've had quite a few people point out that it's a huge roiling ball of excess, plot tumors, endlessly recursive in-jokes and drifting purpose, which are normally not things i'd get behind

    but in homestuck it's to such a huge degree that it becomes breathtaking

    it's like a black hole
    It's... really postmodern, honestly, and not accidentally, either. It takes a lot of what should be awful ideas and takes them so far out into the void that they become brilliant.
  • i heard such terrible things about the homestuck fandom before i got into it

    but when i took the plunge it didn't seem all that terrible, a few neurotic wingnuts aside

    the sheer number of really, really nasty Adventure Time fanartists i have run into is surprising though, i wasn't expecting that at all
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022

    zzzzzzzzzest


    i need to catch up on homestuck :<
    Well, you have two options: Restart now and then wait for the finale with the rest of us, or read serially all the way through when the final update comes.

    Either one is worth it, honestly.

    I will warn you about Openbound, though: Reading between the lines is way more entertaining than what is actually presented upfront.
    I'm probably going to go with the former. This is about the time of year I caught up last year, and it seems like a good time to do it again.

    Need to re-play Openbound...
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat

    Anonus said:

    There's no need to fear, Underdog is here

    I called Hong Kong Phooey you poorly-drawn Superman knockoff.
    Funny, sometimes I think about Underdog and Hong Kong Phooey fighting
  • Maybe I run strictly into the neurotic wingnuts then.

    I vividly recall at least one person insisting that Homestuck was more important to human culture than the myth of Ulysses.

    Even if my opinions of it weren't biased already, it's such a massive time investment at this point that there is really no way you'd get me motivated to read through the whole thing without like, literally paying me.
  • Anonus said:

    Anonus said:

    There's no need to fear, Underdog is here

    I called Hong Kong Phooey you poorly-drawn Superman knockoff.
    Funny, sometimes I think about Underdog and Hong Kong Phooey fighting
    Hong Kong Phooey would win because he's the Number 1 Superguy and Underdog is shit.
  • edited 2014-03-04 03:33:13
    THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    Yeah, a lot of Homestuck's weirdness (and, imo, a lot of its charm) cones from points where Hussie was obviously stuck somewhere, or was getting shit from the forums about something. It actually makes me wonder what the finale will be like without all the constant fan reactions of the normal update schedule.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”

    My actual opinions on Homestuck are neutral to mildly negative.

    My opinions on the vast majority of Homestuck fans I have interacted with are....less ambiguous.

    I recall that you mentioned only reading a very small percentage of it, so I'm not sure that you could call that a fully developed opinion. But by the same token... it's not the travail that people make it out to be, but it is long, and you aren't going to like it if you've already decided that you aren't going to like it, so I'm not going to tell you to read it, even if I think that, were you going into it blind, that you would at least like some parts of it (mostly the game itself).

    The Homestuck fandom is big. Some are terrible, but mostly they're pretty nice, if weird.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Is it wrong that I'm genuinely a little hurt by that?

    ABC Inc owns Underdog...I'd like for it to own Hong Kong Phooey too, but arbitrarily won't, because Time Warner is "too expensive"
  • i always felt weird saying that homestuck is postmodern

    because like it definitely is

    but i feel like that kinda feeds into

    I vividly recall at least one person insisting that Homestuck was more important to human culture than the myth of Ulysses. 

    these people

    who are kinda baffling. i mean it's just a rather clever and often funny rambling coming of age story aimed at teenagers.

    it's such a massive time investment at this point that there is really no way you'd get me motivated to read through the whole thing without like, literally paying me.

    honestly it's not

    it took me juuuust over a week or so and i started when it was pretty much where it's at now, it's not any harder than binging a few seasons of a show or something.
  • Anonus said:

    Is it wrong that I'm genuinely a little hurt by that?

    oh ferchrissakes

    YES IT IS there is something definitely wrong if that actually upsets you
  • You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
    I remember seeing an overabundance of Homestuck cosplayers at Ohayocon

    It was weird the first time, because it was the first time I'd encountered Homestuck outside the internet
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”

    I vividly recall at least one person insisting that Homestuck was more important to human culture than the myth of Ulysses.

    The guy on the PBS Idea Channel compared it to Ulysses in terms of effort justification and the kind of fan community that has formed around it because of it, as well as the density and odd structure of the narrative, but he wasn't calling it "more important than Ulysses" by a long shot. There's also the Tor Books dude who has done a bunch of posts about it as a landmark hypertext novel, but that's something completely different in basically every way.
  • there were a few kids w/ homestuck shirts at my high school and a few people wore homestuck cosplays on haloween on a few occasions (which is totally normal everyone wore costumes haloween day)
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat

    Anonus said:

    Is it wrong that I'm genuinely a little hurt by that?

    oh ferchrissakes

    YES IT IS there is something definitely wrong if that actually upsets you
    I dunno, I just feel upset that I buy things that are crap

    (even if ABC does kinda-sorta own Rocky & Bullwinkle, which is way better...but the rights to that that matter are locked up with DreamWorks Animation)
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    (It is perhaps overthinking it, but it's not actually wrong. It is basically a decent-sized novel with hypertext, pictures and a little music and animation here and there. And there are some very fanatical devotees out there galvanised by that novelty.)
  • Anonus said:

    Anonus said:

    Is it wrong that I'm genuinely a little hurt by that?

    oh ferchrissakes

    YES IT IS there is something definitely wrong if that actually upsets you
    I dunno, I just feel upset that I buy things that are crap
    and if that actually, really upsets you that is a real, actual problem
  • edited 2014-03-04 03:42:40
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Anonus said:

    Anonus said:

    Is it wrong that I'm genuinely a little hurt by that?

    oh ferchrissakes

    YES IT IS there is something definitely wrong if that actually upsets you
    I dunno, I just feel upset that I buy things that are crap

    (even if ABC does kinda-sorta own Rocky & Bullwinkle, which is way better...but the rights to that that matter are locked up with DreamWorks Animation)
    It is imaginary, AU.

    It is not real.

    If you do not like it, then pretend that it did not happen in your version of the world. But if you are going to invest serious emotion into it like this, then it is not worth it, in the same way that Miko playing UFO on Lunatic Mode is not worth it.

    ^ Yes, this.
  • image

    can we all appreciate this
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Yes, I think that we can.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    well, I guess I do take ABC Inc too seriously

    It's just that I want the company to be admired

    also, if we're still talking about old cartoon characters, I do like Hong Kong Phooey

    and as for Total Television, I prefer Tennessee Tuxedo because Don Adams
  • edited 2014-03-04 03:49:36

    Anonus said:

    well, I guess I do take ABC Inc too seriously


    It's just that I want the company to be admired
    it will not be admired by anyone apart from you because it is a figment of solely your imagination

    seriously dude you need to detach from this
  • edited 2014-03-04 03:51:28
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Well, in your imaginary world, it could be. The real ABC is not the imaginary ABC, just like my imaginary version of Philadelphia in my work is not the real Philadelphia.

    ^ Yeah, it's becoming more than fun at this point, and that's bad news.
  • edited 2014-03-04 03:53:38
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    I don't really think about the imaginary world enough, honestly...it's more fun than seeing ABC Inc as "real"
  • edit: nevermind. Not important.
  • edited 2014-03-04 03:56:49
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    ^^ But when you start feeling real emotions about a thing that not only has no bearing on your life, but is not even a true creative pursuit, and those emotions are negative... what's the point? And why do you feel the need to involve others in it either way?
  • Oh well we have changed conversations entirely. Sorry, I got lightheaded and took a quick shower to shake it off.

    Uh, what Sredni said basically is correct.
  • edited 2014-03-04 03:58:45
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat

    ^^ But when you start feeling real emotions about a thing that not only has no bearing on your life, but is not even a true creative pursuit, and those emotions are negative... what's the point? And why do you feel the need to involve others in it either way?

    It's really kind of an addiction by this point. I feel like I need to pretend to be some media mogul (I've done it for much of my life, just with fewer strings attached and without the quasi-real-time element)...

    How does CA not get this serious about her princess fantasies?
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