The Trash Heap of the Heapers' Hangout

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  • Also good night.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”

    Linkara's views on Comic Book Death are as so: It should not be done at the top of a hat. Every character has limitless potential in the hands of a good writer, and it's pointless to kill a character only to resurrect them when someone else realizes that potential.


    The angriest that I've ever seen him was when Cry For Justice killed off a little girl, the daughter of Arsenal (formerly Speedy, Green Arrow's plucky sidekick), as she, a civilian, was unlikely to be resurrected by Comic Book Magicks, and her death was simply a bit of extra salt in the wound, to give the destruction of a city meaning. Arguably, that's the worst kind of comic book death; that's what gets women stuffed in refrigerators.

    I have no great love for what Linkara has become, largely because he's become more vitriolic as time goes by, and I doubt that he's particularly skilled in his field (I believe his importance is due mostly to the dearth of others in his genre), but I agree on him on that point. 
    I do, too, actually. I don't like killing off characters in my longer work for precisely that reason.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Gute nacht, Yarrun-sensei.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i see his point.  i think there are contexts in which it's appropriate to kill off characters, but it seems to happen too often.

    i dislike how in TV shows character death generally only happens in season finales; always struck me as a bit trite and predictable
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    It is...
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    I actually really liked Linkara at one point (a lot of my posts on TVT c. 2010-2011 referenced him), but I eventually did get sick of him, mainly because it seemed like he was more and more out of his element as time went on. That and if you want to make a Doctor Who/Power Rangers crossover show, make another series for it...don't shoehorn your fanfiction into the reviews! (Okay, so the Mechakara arc wasn't so bad, but it got way too self-indulgent later on, and this is amongst a group of performers where hammy self-indulgence is part of the charm...)

    And yeah, Todd did seem awfully bitter this time around, especially considering most of the songs he disliked weren't really all that horrible except maybe that Lil' Wayne song. Lame and uninspired, sure, but not horrible.
  • THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS
    Pure, spleen-venting anger is something most of the shows on TGWTG don't jive well with, or at least it seems that way to me because most of them are supposed to be goofy comedies. The kind of bemused, jaded annoyance Todd usually does works well, and even the NC's Daffy Duck moments usually do well in context. But someone actually being pissed about something seems more like it should be in the OOC video blogs or What the Fuck is Wrong With You?
  • edited 2014-01-23 00:50:29
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    ^^ Again, when you review or discuss something, your thoughts on the subject are supposed to be the important part, not the accoutrements.

    In fairness, boredom is a more frustrating emotion than offence much of the time. That song was legitimately offensive, and no doubt should have ranked higher for that, but as a reviewer, that at least gives you something to talk about.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Then again, I think that most of the anger comes from his being someone that actually likes pop music and enjoys reviewing it. Having little good to say about something that you generally appreciate or at least can talk about in detail must be extremely annoying, if not outright upsetting.

    But then again, this year in music in general was pretty good. Just not really for pop.
  • edited 2014-01-23 01:11:18
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i thought he was a 'rockist'?

    *does not watch TitS*
  • edited 2014-01-23 01:28:57
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    That's... definitely not the case. If anything he strikes me as a so-called "poptimist" that happens to like rock music and dislike the whole post-Guetta pop-EDM thing, the latter of which he admits is coloured by overexposure to bad happy hardcore in the late '90s.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    oh, well

    i was just going by what people said the last time he was brought up here; a bunch of people described him as a rockist
  • edited 2014-01-23 01:37:14
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    ^^ Naney alluded to this hubbub...

    Just watching that list and not paying close attention, one could get that impression. But then, it's really not him at his best, at all.

    ^ I've heard that that Lorde EP was good, and "Get Lucky" is fun, but... eh. I haven't seen much to impress me.
  • ^ I've heard that that Lorde EP was good, and "Get Lucky" is fun, but... eh. I haven't seen much to impress me.

    20/20 Experience, Pure Heroine, My Name Is My Name and Yeezus spring to mind immediately.

    Granted the latter two are technically just rap albums that were also pop in the cultural sense, but "pop music" has never not been a nebulous term.
  • edited 2014-01-23 01:42:08
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i always understood 'pop' to encompass rap

    and every other popular music genre except certain rock genres where the fans get snooty about them being called 'pop', e.g. metal

    i don't think 2013 was a bad year for pop
  • edited 2014-01-23 01:43:16

    yeezus was a good fun time. hasn't gotten more than a few spins tho

    also i never did see My Name Is My Name at target

    that disappointed me

    also that's like only 4 albums, just sayin
  • yeezus was a good fun time. hasn't gotten more than a few spins tho


    also i never did see My Name Is My Name at target

    that disappointed me

    also that's like only 4 albums, just sayin
    yeah but that's just ones I thought of immediately, and I deliberately didn't include a couple I didn't like (like RAM and Nothing Was The Same) because I'm just kind of sick of thinking about them.
  • More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    You know, it's weird: The 20/20 Experience feels like a 2012 album to me. I had to look it up to confirm in my mind that it came out in March rather than December. It seems so long ago.

    I will confess that I don't have my ear to the ground in the way that some people here do, though. I just hear things passively. The thing is that little I heard passively made me go, "Huh, I actually like this a lot!"
  • edited 2014-01-23 01:47:18

    Nothing Was The Same


    Including Soulja on "We Made It" turned out to be one of the savviest tricks Drake has ever pulled. The song is a testament to overcoming and unabashedly flaunting your success much to the chagrin of nonbelievers. Rub that shit in the naysayers faces like apricot scrub—it's good for them. Soulja Boy is the main reason this song is so delightful. The chorus and beat are anthemic, sure, but, the highlight is Soulja interrupting Drake's verse to inform us, "Damn, Soulja Boy stunt on them haters."

    He sounds taken aback by his own actions, as if he can't believe the ferocity and malice with which is he able to stunt on them h8rz. But, much like Whitney Houston, Soulja Boy simply doesn't know his own strength, for he has stunted on them h8rz for so long that at this point it basically happens subconsciously. Stunting pulses through Soulja's body—it lives deep within his sinew.

    We aren't here to argue Soulja's talent (limitless and diverse) or his place in the current landscape of rap (he is a legend). We're not saying Soulja Boy is a better rapper than Pimp C because he has crashed two Bentleys, while Pimp C has only crashed one, however compelling that evidence may be. We are here to document DeAndre Way's steadfast commitment to stunting on them h8rz through his actions and laboriously put together outfits. Perhaps, we could all learn a thing or two from the master.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch

    yeezus was a good fun time. hasn't gotten more than a few spins tho


    also i never did see My Name Is My Name at target

    that disappointed me

    also that's like only 4 albums, just sayin
    yeah but that's just ones I thought of immediately, and I deliberately didn't include a couple I didn't like (like RAM and Nothing Was The Same) because I'm just kind of sick of thinking about them.
    i'd say that kind of undermines your point, although i didn't think either of those were bad

    i'd even go so far as to say RAM was pretty good, although i understand if people were disappointed by it
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    But then, I didn't get out much last year. Think of me as living in a cave of mystery.
  • edited 2014-01-23 01:48:31
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch

    You know, it's weird: The 20/20 Experience feels like a 2012 album to me. I had to look it up to confirm in my mind that it came out in March rather than December. It seems so long ago.


    I will confess that I don't have my ear to the ground in the way that some people here do, though. I just hear things passively. The thing is that little I heard passively made me go, "Huh, I actually like this a lot!"
    i'm the same, honestly

    but i didn't notice any particular decline in music quality last year
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”

    yeezus was a good fun time. hasn't gotten more than a few spins tho


    also i never did see My Name Is My Name at target

    that disappointed me

    also that's like only 4 albums, just sayin
    yeah but that's just ones I thought of immediately, and I deliberately didn't include a couple I didn't like (like RAM and Nothing Was The Same) because I'm just kind of sick of thinking about them.
    That kind of works against your point, though...
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    *gestures frantically and shamelessly towards own post above*
  • edited 2014-01-23 01:50:03
    We can do anything if we do it together.
    Tachyon said:

    i'd even go so far as to say RAM was pretty good, although i understand if people were disappointed by it

  • Nothing Was The Same


    Including Soulja on "We Made It" turned out to be one of the savviest tricks Drake has ever pulled. The song is a testament to overcoming and unabashedly flaunting your success much to the chagrin of nonbelievers. Rub that shit in the naysayers faces like apricot scrub—it's good for them. Soulja Boy is the main reason this song is so delightful. The chorus and beat are anthemic, sure, but, the highlight is Soulja interrupting Drake's verse to inform us, "Damn, Soulja Boy stunt on them haters."

    He sounds taken aback by his own actions, as if he can't believe the ferocity and malice with which is he able to stunt on them h8rz. But, much like Whitney Houston, Soulja Boy simply doesn't know his own strength, for he has stunted on them h8rz for so long that at this point it basically happens subconsciously. Stunting pulses through Soulja's body—it lives deep within his sinew.

    We aren't here to argue Soulja's talent (limitless and diverse) or his place in the current landscape of rap (he is a legend). We're not saying Soulja Boy is a better rapper than Pimp C because he has crashed two Bentleys, while Pimp C has only crashed one, however compelling that evidence may be. We are here to document DeAndre Way's steadfast commitment to stunting on them h8rz through his actions and laboriously put together outfits. Perhaps, we could all learn a thing or two from the master.
    please stop posting this it hurts my soul
  • yeezus was a good fun time. hasn't gotten more than a few spins tho


    also i never did see My Name Is My Name at target

    that disappointed me

    also that's like only 4 albums, just sayin
    yeah but that's just ones I thought of immediately, and I deliberately didn't include a couple I didn't like (like RAM and Nothing Was The Same) because I'm just kind of sick of thinking about them.
    That kind of works against your point, though...
    nah
  • iunno, that was pretty much my favorite piece of music criticism in 2013, even if it was technically from 2014
  • im waiting for vatican shadow to land a number one single

    then pop music will be good
  • edited 2014-01-23 01:56:07
    “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Tachyon said:

    *gestures frantically and shamelessly towards own post above*

    Yeah, sorry about that.

    Maybe I'm more willing to say that I found pop music unusually blah last year because I feel like the potential for subversive things to slither into the mainstream that was there to my mind the year before felt curtailed. I mean, consider the fact that Death Grips' third album received something on the order of five million free downloads after they leaked it onto BitTorrent. That album is shockingly abrasive, and yet...

    I felt like the mainstream was going to actually start to get odder. But now I feel like things have come to an impasse.

    ^ Yes.
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    the Youtube ads I get continue to get weirder.
  • Tachyon said:

    *gestures frantically and shamelessly towards own post above*

    Yeah, sorry about that.

    Maybe I'm more willing to say that I found pop music unusually blah last year because I feel like the potential for subversive things to slither into the mainstream that was there to my mind the year before felt curtailed. I mean, consider the fact that Death Grips' third album received something on the order of five million free downloads after they leaked it onto BitTorrent. That album is shockingly abrasive, and yet...

    I felt like the mainstream was going to actually start to get odder. But now I feel like things have come to an impasse.

    ^ Yes.
    well you probably know by now that I wouldn't find that a good thing anyway, so whatever I suppose.
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    well, things could certainly have gotten more interesting than they did, that's true

    i guess again, i tend to lump more abrasive music under pop so long as it's popular

    i don't tend to care what gets into the charts, so much
  • it would be cool if we got more pop albums that sounded like yeezus

    i think that would render me content
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”



    well you probably know by now that I wouldn't find that a good thing anyway, so whatever I suppose.

    I didn't mean uglier; I meant less tame. That can mean more structurally or musically adventurous, more lyrically sophisticated, more sonically diverse, anything. What is the new normal? There has been no shift in paradigm save for the introduction of some faux-earnest folk-pop types, the proliferation of trap-rave inanity, and a slight up-tick in French house and disco references.
  • The best songs on Yeezus were the ones that actually sounded like Kanye West songs, so I'd have to say I disagree.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”

    it would be cool if we got more pop albums that sounded like yeezus


    i think that would render me content
    I would not mind that, actually.
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    Yeah, I was feeling pretty optimistic about the possibility of a Nirvana-esque revolution in pop music a year or so ago too. It's a shame to see that's all slipped away now.


  • well you probably know by now that I wouldn't find that a good thing anyway, so whatever I suppose.

    I didn't mean uglier; I meant less tame. That can mean more structurally or musically adventurous, more lyrically sophisticated, more sonically diverse, anything. What is the new normal? There has been no shift in paradigm save for the introduction of some faux-earnest folk-pop types, the proliferation of trap-rave inanity, and a slight up-tick in French house and disco references.
    there are no paradigm shifts in popular music.
  • man nirvana is so borrinnnggggg

    just an imo
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    what exactly do you guys mean by 'paradigm shifts' because i don't think i'm following this
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”

    Yeah, I was feeling pretty optimistic about the possibility of a Nirvana-esque revolution in pop music a year or so ago too. It's a shame to see that's all slipped away now.

    I don't think that it necessarily is a lost cause, but this lull is deeply frustrating.

    Then again, while Nirvana did flip the proverbial table, what came of that? I mean, it killed the worst excesses of the late '80s, but it also lead to a wave of terrible post-grunge and nu-metal acts.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”


    there are no paradigm shifts in popular music.

    I'mma need a citation on that.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i like 'In Bloom' and 'Heart-Shaped Box'

    like, a whole lot
  • I have heard two Nirvana songs in my entire life.

    One was "Smells Like Teenage Spirit" (duh) and the other one was something Kurt Cobain did live with members of some other band called like, The Meat Brothers, I think.
  • We can do anything if we do it together.

    man nirvana is so borrinnnggggg


    just an imo
    yeah, I knew someone would jump on me for using that term - I should've been clearer, in retrospect.

    Assessments of their quality aside (I'm not huge on them myself, although I do like a couple of their songs) it is undeniable that they ushered in an era where weirder stuff had a chance at making the charts, at least for a while.

    That's more what I was talking about.
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    and of course Smells Like Teen Spirit is super catchy

    All Apologies is good too
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