The Trash Heap of the Heapers' Hangout

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  • i have noticed that spending time with him mediates my more crabby, snippy aspects

    i appreciate that
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  • edited 2014-01-20 23:41:34
    More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
    ^^^^ ah :)

    If you want your RPG to have a good story and also be challenging, I encourage you. :D I especially like a challenging RPG if the gameplay and the story are inextricable from one another. Compare the opposite, what I might like to call "Final Fantasy 10 syndrome."
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    more people than one would be better, but one would do.
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  • Miko said:

    ^^^^ ah :)

    If you want your RPG to have a good story and also be challenging, I encourage you. :D I especially like a challenging RPG if the gameplay and the story are inextricable from one another. Compare the opposite, what I might like to call "Final Fantasy 10 syndrome."

    I've seen this complaint a million times but to be quite honest I don't really see FFX as having exhibited it all that badly?

    Like, aside from the usual "Why do they care about dying if they can just use a Phoenix Down" the only example where the gameplay was divorced from the story I can think of was that part where the party is held at bay by the gunmen who they'd just easily gone through a few moments before.
  • I played one Final Fantasy game once, when I had an original Xbox that had a SNES emulator built into it.

    To this day I am baffled as to how there's like twenty of them.
  • And since the majority of the gameplay is the battles, I really don't get what the divide between story and gameplay actually could be.
  • from what i've seen

    most people agree that the very early ones were boring

    most people also agree the latter ones were shining examples of JRPG excess

    and most people seem to have a few games in the middle that they think were like perfect
  • personally i've played I, II and III

    and i have to say that my fave final fantasy game was the four heroes of light

    which isn't even technically a final fantasy game

    OH AND HAVE I YET MENTIONED HOW FUCKIN HYPED I AM FOR BRAVELY DEFAULT
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  • More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
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    I love you~~!
    *squeezes and kisses* 
    You too >W<
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  • from what i've seen

    most people agree that the very early ones were boring

    most people also agree the latter ones were shining examples of JRPG excess

    and most people seem to have a few games in the middle that they think were like perfect
    Nobody cares about the first two, but anything between that and XIII is fair game.

    I find the idea of "JRPG excess" to be somewhat off-putting, to be quite honest. I like it when a game can wear its heart on its sleeve, provided its emotional moments are earned.
  • "JRPG excess" sounds like something one of those "Japanese games are inherently inferior to western ones" people would say.
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  • And I can totally get why people wouldn't enjoy cheesy melodrama, but it's not a flaw. 
  • edited 2014-01-21 00:16:21
    More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
    Kexruct, nothing in Final Fantasy 10 makes any sense and there are gaping plot holes that are solar systems wide, but that is beyond the point. The game is sharply divided between watching a movie play out half of the time and playing the battles the other half. There is no flow to it. It's like whenever it's time for a fight, the movie director gives you the controller and says "okay don't die." What happens in the gameplay is incredibly different from what happens in the movie, even disregarding crippling, plot-shattering inconsistencies between them. Don't get offended or anything. And also I still had fun with this game because the battles at least were complex and *fun.*
  • More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
    Pyridrym said:

    I love you~~!
    *squeezes and kisses* 
    You too >W<
    *makes out sloppily in front of everyone*
  • "JRPG excess" sounds like something one of those "Japanese games are inherently inferior to western ones" people would say.

    it does yeah

    fortunately you know me, and you know that i have a weakness for all things soppy, melodramatic and overly sentimental.
    Kexruct said:

    from what i've seen

    most people agree that the very early ones were boring

    most people also agree the latter ones were shining examples of JRPG excess

    and most people seem to have a few games in the middle that they think were like perfect
    Nobody cares about the first two, but anything between that and XIII is fair game.

    I find the idea of "JRPG excess" to be somewhat off-putting, to be quite honest. I like it when a game can wear its heart on its sleeve, provided its emotional moments are earned.
    that's cool with me. of course, others obviously disagree on either or both counts. which is also cool.
  • More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
    I'm high as balls again. This happens a lot this week.
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    video game plot.
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    Miko said:

    Pyridrym said:

    I love you~~!
    *squeezes and kisses* 
    You too >W<
    *makes out sloppily in front of everyone*
    GET A ROOM
  • edited 2014-01-21 00:20:38

    Miko said:

    Kexruct, nothing in Final Fantasy 10 makes any sense and there are gaping plot holes that are solar systems wide, but that is beyond the point. The game is sharply divided between watching a movie play out half of the time and playing the battles the other half. There is no flow to it. It's like whenever it's time for a fight, the movie director gives you the controller and says "okay don't die." What happens in the gameplay is incredibly different from what happens in the movie, even disregarding crippling, plot-shattering inconsistencies between them. Don't get offended or anything. And also I still had fun with this game because the battles at least were complex and *fun.*

    kexruct obviously disagrees, and i believe you will have a hard time bringing him to your point of view.

    perhaps he will agree with you in time, perhaps he will not.

    BUT

    you know that this never convinces him, and you know where all this leads and you continue to do it.
  • More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
    I will not argue over a video game. I just thought my opinion would interest some people, including him. And yes it is my opinion and highly subjective. :D
  • Miko said:

    The game is sharply divided between watching a movie play out half of the time and playing the battles the other half. 

    But that's not inherently a flaw. It would only be a flaw if the cutscenes made the game less engaging by going directly against what the game was trying to accomplish.

    I feel like a good example of this would be the original Fable. Fable was supposed to be a rather story-light game about creating your own hero, but the game itself was exceedingly linear and the constant cutscenes served to both highlight the somewhat weak story and make it feel like the player had no agency. Final Fantasy X, however, was primarily trying to tell a story. And while the player doesn't really have all that much agency aside from the battles, this isn't really important because having a lot of cutscenes isn't directly interfering with what the game is trying to do. 

    Also plotholes aren't important.
  • edited 2014-01-21 00:23:58

    it is entertainment, which is possibly the most subjective, personal thing there is.

    ^ dude stahp. you do not have to justify or prove anything.
  • I'm not trying to justify or prove anything, I'm stating what I believe and backing it up to the best of my ability.
  • More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
    I think that FF10 takes itself way too seriously for something that stretches suspension of disbelief to such extremes. Whatever, though. I had enough fun with it and no RPG will ever be perfect, probably.
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    Final Fantasy games can be pretty great

    I like 5 in particular, and 9 is also quite excellent
  • ugh I feel awful again.

    -nailbats-
    YARRUN WHY WOULD THIS HELP

    also let's discuss something interesting

    like how I'm about to conquer the Aztecs.
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     Would you like to hear my latest poem? Please? I love to share my work.
     No.
     Then, I'll tell you one anyway: "Roses are red, violets are blue. You're nothing more than a retentive, close-minded megacorp creep." Chew on that for a while, Mr. Mega-Establishment.
  • weird bug, Castille formed Spain in my game but their colonial territory is still called The Castilan West Indies.
  • Kexruct said:

    I'm not trying to justify or prove anything, I'm stating what I believe and backing it up to the best of my ability.

    which you have done like 5-7 times

    and miko has stated her opinions on this like 5-7 times

    nothing meaningful, vaguely enjoyable or remotely productive has come from these exchanges, and they take up anywhere from a whole page to like 2 pages of completely interchangeable things that are unpleasant to read and i for one am not on this forum to read unpleasant things

    if i wanted to go on a forum to read unpleasant things i would go on something awful, at least they can make such things funny every once in a blue moon and try to avoid repetition.
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  • actually ngl when i am in a sour mood i find SA endlessly risible
  • VIDEO GAMES SUCK

    ye
  • actually ngl when i am in a sour mood i find SA endlessly risible

    You find it easy to anger?
  • also FF: The 4 heroes of light is like the platonic ideal of JRPGs and everyone who likes them should play it
  • Kexruct said:

    I'm not trying to justify or prove anything, I'm stating what I believe and backing it up to the best of my ability.

    which you have done like 5-7 times

    and miko has stated her opinions on this like 5-7 times

    nothing meaningful, vaguely enjoyable or remotely productive has come from these exchanges, and they take up anywhere from a whole page to like 2 pages of completely interchangeable things that are unpleasant to read and i for one am not on this forum to read unpleasant things

    if i wanted to go on a forum to read unpleasant things i would go on something awful, at least they can make such things funny every once in a blue moon and try to avoid repetition.
    Sorry. I mainly do this because I don't really have any other outlet to discuss this kind of stuff. And since for once I'm not actually angry about this I wasn't aware it was coming off like an argument.
  • edited 2014-01-21 00:34:21

    actually ngl when i am in a sour mood i find SA endlessly risible

    You find it easy to anger?
    ris·i·ble
    ˈrizəbəl/

    adjective
    1.
    such as to provoke laughter.


    dont try to out-vocab me

    dont even think about it
  • Bravely Default may well be the best game to come out this year, I wouldn't know as I don't plan on playing it, but it's not gonna win any awards for best title.
  • actually ngl when i am in a sour mood i find SA endlessly risible

    You find it easy to anger?
    ris·i·ble
    ˈrizəbəl/

    adjective
    1.
    such as to provoke laughter.


    dont try to out-vocab me

    dont even think about it


    lame
  • Kexruct said:

    Kexruct said:

    I'm not trying to justify or prove anything, I'm stating what I believe and backing it up to the best of my ability.

    which you have done like 5-7 times

    and miko has stated her opinions on this like 5-7 times

    nothing meaningful, vaguely enjoyable or remotely productive has come from these exchanges, and they take up anywhere from a whole page to like 2 pages of completely interchangeable things that are unpleasant to read and i for one am not on this forum to read unpleasant things

    if i wanted to go on a forum to read unpleasant things i would go on something awful, at least they can make such things funny every once in a blue moon and try to avoid repetition.
    Sorry. I mainly do this because I don't really have any other outlet to discuss this kind of stuff. And since for once I'm not actually angry about this I wasn't aware it was coming off like an argument.
    it like always does, even if you don't mean it to. and i know both you and miko mean well and stuff, but....
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    He sounds taken aback by his own actions, as if he can't believe the ferocity and malice with which is he able to stunt on them h8rz. But, much like Whitney Houston, Soulja Boy simply doesn't know his own strength, for he has stunted on them h8rz for so long that at this point it basically happens subconsciously. Stunting pulses through Soulja's body—it lives deep within his sinew.

    We aren't here to argue Soulja's talent (limitless and diverse) or his place in the current landscape of rap (he is a legend). We're not saying Soulja Boy is a better rapper than Pimp C because he has crashed two Bentleys, while Pimp C has only crashed one, however compelling that evidence may be. We are here to document DeAndre Way's steadfast commitment to stunting on them h8rz through his actions and laboriously put together outfits. Perhaps, we could all learn a thing or two from the master.
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