I was going to mention "The Classical" earlier, actually; The Fall were being scouted out by Motown until they heard that song. It was the only LP they had on hand to send them, and Mark Smith was very tentative...
Of course, like Foetus, the whole point there is to shock and parody: The line in question, if I'm not totally mistaken, is about tokenism in advertising.
Sterling Brown (and subsequently Henry Louis Gates) evidently felt that Robert Penn Warren did not have the right to use the n-word in "Pondy Woods", even in the context of a slur being used against a sympathetic slave character.
Certainly, it's not something white people should get to decide.
Honestly if I had to pick I'd go with the latter, simply because "faggot" is not yet in the phase where it's not OK for a person who's not a part of the minority it describes to use it. Whereas the n word has been taboo for a long time, and anyone who throws it around casually is either supremely ignorant or more likely trying to be offensive / intimidating on purpose.
Thing about the name "Louis" that bothers me is that without context I never know if I'm supposed to pronounce it the English way ("Loo-ihs") or the French way ("Loo-ee").
i know someone (white, straight) who casually uses both words
and gets very argumentative if you suggest he shouldn't be using the n-word, because apparently doing so is imposing Western culture on him or some nonsense
Louis is one of several names I have contemplated for a future son (among many other, slightly more unconventional options).
I like it, it's a stately name and it's got a long history. As well as some very cool variations (the German Ludwig, Dutch Loudewijk, which has some history in my family, and the Polish Ludwek, for instance).
i know someone (white, straight) who casually uses both words
and gets very argumentative if you suggest he shouldn't be using the n-word, because apparently doing so is imposing Western culture on him or some nonsense
Sterling Brown (and subsequently Henry Louis Gates) evidently felt that Robert Penn Warren did not have the right to use the n-word in "Pondy Woods", even in the context of a slur being used against a sympathetic slave character.
Certainly, it's not something white people should get to decide.
yeah definitely.
Now I'm thinking back to my radio documentary class where a group of african american kids made a documentary about how they felt unfomfortable when other african american persons used the n word. It ended up turning into this huge debate that lasted all class period.
And you know i have been know to jokingly use the word faggot, but i know other gay people that would like never use that word ever under any circumstances
so it bugs me when people act like minority groups are of one solid opinion on this sort of thing
that's not to say that i'm supporting like that old cliche of that white dude who says "my one black friend doesn't think x isn't racist so if you think it isn't you're being oversensitive"
but like
i want to say that what is offensive and what isn't depends on what the people privy to the interaction find offensive
They made "Nazi Punks, Fuck Off" because their satirical songs like "Kill the Poor" and "California Uber Alles" were taken at face value and a bunch of Nazi boneheads kept showing up at their shows and disrupting their shows, so they made that song to tell these guys there weren't welcome and clear up any misinterpretations.
i know someone (white, straight) who casually uses both words
and gets very argumentative if you suggest he shouldn't be using the n-word, because apparently doing so is imposing Western culture on him or some nonsense
look up whatever ethnic slurs apply to him and start just casually bandying them about, respond in kind when he calls you out on it
and i'm not sure i'm willing to grant 'culturally uninformed' either; he's been told plenty of times by plenty of people, although he also claims to have black friends who are ok with him using the word
and i'm not sure i'm willing to grant 'culturally uninformed' either; he's been told plenty of times by plenty of people, although he also claims to have black friends who are ok with him using the word
i know someone (white, straight) who casually uses both words
and gets very argumentative if you suggest he shouldn't be using the n-word, because apparently doing so is imposing Western culture on him or some nonsense
look up whatever ethnic slurs apply to him and start just casually bandying them about, respond in kind when he calls you out on it
i'm not comfortable using slurs in any context, and i'm not sure stooping to his level will do anyone any favours
he is kind of a dick, but then, he managed to accidentally drive away one of my other flatmates (not by being racist, just general asshattery) and seems genuinely upset and confused about it, so i don't know
i remember back in like sophomore year we had this serbian exchange student
he was gay and he had the blackest sense of humor imaginable
he made all these cracks about how back at home people were after him with guns and shit because he was a prominent gay youth rights activist and he used to live under a bridge and nobody could figure out if he was serious or not
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are you fuckin kidding me
so i'm just kind of baffled by that song
it definitely shouldn't
Certainly, it's not something white people should get to decide.
I see instances of both semi-often unfortunately.
and gets very argumentative if you suggest he shouldn't be using the n-word, because apparently doing so is imposing Western culture on him or some nonsense
Here is one.
and here is the other.
I like it, it's a stately name and it's got a long history. As well as some very cool variations (the German Ludwig, Dutch Loudewijk, which has some history in my family, and the Polish Ludwek, for instance).
this Mako
or this Mako?
yes, he is
and i'm not sure i'm willing to grant 'culturally uninformed' either; he's been told plenty of times by plenty of people, although he also claims to have black friends who are ok with him using the word
he's not particularly scary in any case
he just kind of seems like a dick, honestly.
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot
guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys
and take their weapons leaving them dead
i'm not comfortable using slurs in any context, and i'm not sure stooping to his level will do anyone any favours
with
he is kind of a dick, but then, he managed to accidentally drive away one of my other flatmates (not by being racist, just general asshattery) and seems genuinely upset and confused about it, so i don't know
weird, with hindsight
going to bed, good night
is anyone else around? I want to talk about the color orange.
and generally speaking, I just find it pleasing to look at. Blue and purple elicit similar reactions.