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  • im listening to the queen song right now
  • you've also got

  • i have gotten to the part where the word has been said

    i think i will stop listening now

    that was enough queen for one day
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    Speaking of songs that use the n-word...

  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Holiday in Cambodia has it too.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    tbh i like Queen, and Mercury never behaved like a racist

    so i'm just kind of baffled by that song
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    for some reason homophobia in song lyrics always shocks me less than racism

    it definitely shouldn't
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    I was going to mention "The Classical" earlier, actually; The Fall were being scouted out by Motown until they heard that song. It was the only LP they had on hand to send them, and Mark Smith was very tentative...

    Of course, like Foetus, the whole point there is to shock and parody: The line in question, if I'm not totally mistaken, is about tokenism in advertising.
  • edited 2014-01-14 00:19:55

    Odradek said:

    Holiday in Cambodia has it too.

    Yeah, but in that context it's very clearly talking about someone else's casual racism

    ...does that make it any better? does it make any difference at all?

    I am not sure if i am qualified enough to have an opinion on this tbh
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    I dunno.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”

    Odradek said:

    Holiday in Cambodia has it too.

    Yeah, but in that context it's very clearly talking about someone else's casual racism

    ...does that make it any better? does it make any difference at all?

    I am not sure if i am qualified enough to have an opinion on this tbh
    Same thing in "The Classical".

    But yeah, I feel the same way. I guess I'm entitled to talk about anti-Semitism, maybe, but not racism of that sort.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    They did make "Nazi Punks, Fuck Off" though.
  • homophobia shocks me less than racism as well

    because like think about the kind of person that casually throws around the word faggot

    and then think about the kind of person who throws around the n word

    which kind of person is scarier?
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Odradek said:

    They did make "Nazi Punks, Fuck Off" though.

    And The Fall wrote "Who Makes the Nazis?", which is on the same LP as "The Classical". The Nazis are a longhorn breed!


    homophobia shocks me less than racism as well


    because like think about the kind of person that casually throws around the word faggot

    and then think about the kind of person who throws around the n word

    which kind of person is scarier?
    Yes.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    image

    Harsh
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Sterling Brown (and subsequently Henry Louis Gates) evidently felt that Robert Penn Warren did not have the right to use the n-word in "Pondy Woods", even in the context of a slur being used against a sympathetic slave character.

    Certainly, it's not something white people should get to decide.
  • Honestly if I had to pick I'd go with the latter, simply because "faggot" is not yet in the phase where it's not OK for a person who's not a part of the minority it describes to use it. Whereas the n word has been taboo for a long time, and anyone who throws it around casually is either supremely ignorant or more likely trying to be offensive / intimidating on purpose.

    I see instances of both semi-often unfortunately.
  • Thing about the name "Louis" that bothers me is that without context I never know if I'm supposed to pronounce it the English way ("Loo-ihs") or the French way ("Loo-ee").
  • edited 2014-01-14 00:30:51
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i know someone (white, straight) who casually uses both words

    and gets very argumentative if you suggest he shouldn't be using the n-word, because apparently doing so is imposing Western culture on him or some nonsense
  • I was looking for a picture of Mako from Kill la Kill to use as an avatar and I found two awesome things.

    Here is one.

    and here is the other.

    image
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Henry Louis Gates pronounces his name the English way, i believe
  • Louis is one of several names I have contemplated for a future son (among many other, slightly more unconventional options).

    I like it, it's a stately name and it's got a long history. As well as some very cool variations (the German Ludwig, Dutch Loudewijk, which has some history in my family, and the Polish Ludwek, for instance).
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Tachyon said:

    i know someone (white, straight) who casually uses both words

    and gets very argumentative if you suggest he shouldn't be using the n-word, because apparently doing so is imposing Western culture on him or some nonsense

    But that guy is an idiot.

    A very culturally uninformed idiot.
  • Tachyon said:

    Sterling Brown (and subsequently Henry Louis Gates) evidently felt that Robert Penn Warren did not have the right to use the n-word in "Pondy Woods", even in the context of a slur being used against a sympathetic slave character.

    Certainly, it's not something white people should get to decide.

    yeah definitely.

    Now I'm thinking back to my radio documentary class where a group of african american kids made a documentary about how they felt unfomfortable when other african american persons used the n word. It ended up turning into this huge debate that lasted all class period.


    And you know i have been know to jokingly use the word faggot, but i know other gay people that would like never use that word ever under any circumstances


    so it bugs me when people act like minority groups are of one solid opinion on this sort of thing

    that's not to say that i'm supporting like that old cliche of that white dude who says "my one black friend doesn't think x isn't racist so if you think it isn't you're being oversensitive"

    but like

    i want to say that what is offensive and what isn't depends on what the people privy to the interaction find offensive

    but that doesn't seem right....
  • Odradek said:

    They did make "Nazi Punks, Fuck Off" though.

    They made "Nazi Punks, Fuck Off" because their satirical songs like "Kill the Poor" and "California Uber Alles" were taken at face value and a bunch of Nazi boneheads kept showing up at their shows and disrupting their shows, so they made that song to tell these guys there weren't welcome and clear up any misinterpretations.
  • Tachyon said:

    i know someone (white, straight) who casually uses both words

    and gets very argumentative if you suggest he shouldn't be using the n-word, because apparently doing so is imposing Western culture on him or some nonsense

    look up whatever ethnic slurs apply to him and start just casually bandying them about, respond in kind when he calls you out on it
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch

    But that guy is an idiot.


    A very culturally uninformed idiot.

    yes, he is

    and i'm not sure i'm willing to grant 'culturally uninformed' either; he's been told plenty of times by plenty of people, although he also claims to have black friends who are ok with him using the word

    he's not particularly scary in any case
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i'd have gone with the bottom Mako but the top one is cool too
  • Tachyon said:

    But that guy is an idiot.


    A very culturally uninformed idiot.

    yes, he is

    and i'm not sure i'm willing to grant 'culturally uninformed' either; he's been told plenty of times by plenty of people, although he also claims to have black friends who are ok with him using the word

    he's not particularly scary in any case
    is this that Estonian man you live with/near?

    he just kind of seems like a dick, honestly.
  • Tachyon said:

    i'd have gone with the bottom Mako but the top one is cool too

    the top one is a more formal Mako but the bottom one is casual and also a bit flirty.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch

    Tachyon said:

    i know someone (white, straight) who casually uses both words

    and gets very argumentative if you suggest he shouldn't be using the n-word, because apparently doing so is imposing Western culture on him or some nonsense

    look up whatever ethnic slurs apply to him and start just casually bandying them about, respond in kind when he calls you out on it

    i'm not comfortable using slurs in any context, and i'm not sure stooping to his level will do anyone any favours
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch

    is this that Estonian man you live with/near?

    he just kind of seems like a dick, honestly.


    with

    he is kind of a dick, but then, he managed to accidentally drive away one of my other flatmates (not by being racist, just general asshattery) and seems genuinely upset and confused about it, so i don't know
  • i remember back in like sophomore year we had this serbian exchange student

    he was gay and he had the blackest sense of humor imaginable

    he made all these cracks about how back at home people were after him with guns and shit because he was a prominent gay youth rights activist and he used to live under a bridge and nobody could figure out if he was serious or not
  • your daily factual tidbit:

    The nuclear program of Iran was launched in the 1950s with the help of the United States as part of the Atoms for Peace program.
  • edited 2014-01-14 00:45:25
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i remember reading about that

    weird, with hindsight
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    completely unrelatedly, this is in my head now


  • Not a hybrid rabbit-skink spirit
    hahaha

    gay people
  • Not a hybrid rabbit-skink spirit
    HAHAAHAHA YOu'RE KILLIN ME MAN
  • I need more slice of life things to read. I'm out after Centaur's Worries.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    fuck shit tits bollocks how did it get this late

    going to bed, good night
  • bye Bobby :(

    is anyone else around? I want to talk about the color orange.
  • “I'm surprised. Those clothes… but, aren't you…?”
    Why orange?
  • Not a hybrid rabbit-skink spirit
    Well I'm still here but I'm not sure what use I'd be
  • Why orange?

    it's my national color.

    and generally speaking, I just find it pleasing to look at. Blue and purple elicit similar reactions.
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