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  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i don't think expressing a less than positive opinion of religion is automatically antitheism?  maybe it is, i dunno

    sometimes i don't know what to believe

    i feel out of place among the born-again types in the Christian Union

    the church here feels so loving and welcoming, but i've been slightly uncomfortable there ever since i realized how little of my religion i actually understand
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    the association of religion with social conservatism in this country makes it (religion) a good bit more unappealing to me than it otherwise might be

    truefact
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    YNTKT

    YNTKT

    YNTKT

    YNTKT
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch

    the association of religion with social conservatism in this country makes it (religion) a good bit more unappealing to me than it otherwise might be

    truefact

    i can understand and to an extent relate to this
  • The sadness will last forever.
    burn the fedoras
  • We can do anything if we do it together.
    I don't have anything against religion as a practice. I just find the current forms of organized religion alienating.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Aliroz said:

    Yes, but if you're playing Age of Empires then you're obviously bored stiff anyway

    First CA says Sonic R has bad controlls, then you bash another integral element of my childhood.

    We are no longer friends.

    I'll just sit here playing a MASTERPIECE while you play crap that's been made in the last fourteen years.
    that wasn't CA, that was me
  • More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
    Kexruct said:

    And yes, I get that your complaining about what religion has done to you is in no way equivalent to all the harm it's done, but it's my faith that you're complaining about and that actually hurts me quite a bit.

    Why do you take it so personally when someone says something negative about an opinion that you have?
  • Tachyon said:

    i don't think expressing a less than positive opinion of religion is automatically antitheism?  maybe it is, i dunno

    It's not, but at the same time I don't think it's unreasonable to expect some people to get a tad offended when expressing such opinions, especially since "religion" in the context of these discussions rarely means anything other than "Christianity, sometimes Islam too, when it's convenient."

    That is not me saying that you are necessarily using the word that way, mind you, but merely that that is how such discussions are often unintentionally framed in the english-speaking world (and many other parts of the western world) where there is a very sizable Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox majority.

    But now I've sidetracked into talking about how discussing religion as a topic at all is often futile, which wasn't our topic.
    Miko said:

    Kexruct said:

    And yes, I get that your complaining about what religion has done to you is in no way equivalent to all the harm it's done, but it's my faith that you're complaining about and that actually hurts me quite a bit.

    Why do you take it so personally when someone says something negative about an opinion that you have?
    Faith isn't an opinion, Miko.

    At least not necessarily.

    There are generally two types of religious people, the intellectually religious, and the more traditional, "in their bones" faithful. To the latter, faith is not a matter of personal preference but rather an inherent part of one's being, not dissimilar to their race or sexual orientation.

    To the former, of course, this is different. But we're not speaking about the former.
  • More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
    anyway I'm not even saying having a religion is bad or anything, just that like... atheism is not bad either.
  • Miko said:

    Kexruct said:

    And yes, I get that your complaining about what religion has done to you is in no way equivalent to all the harm it's done, but it's my faith that you're complaining about and that actually hurts me quite a bit.

    Why do you take it so personally when someone says something negative about an opinion that you have?
    Because my opinions are integral to who I am. You can't say something negative about my opinions without insulting me.
  • The sadness will last forever.
    taking something personally when someone does not like what you like
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    Touhou sucks
  • More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.

    the association of religion with social conservatism in this country makes it (religion) a good bit more unappealing to me than it otherwise might be

    truefact

    and I as well. I have had little to no irl exposure to an organized religion that was positive.
  • Miko said:

    anyway I'm not even saying having a religion is bad or anything, just that like... atheism is not bad either.

    And I never said that it is. Just that I find Richard Dawkins's approach to atheism utterly repugnant.
  • The sadness will last forever.
    sic
  • More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
    Because my opinions are integral to who I am. You can't say something negative about my opinions without insulting me.
    You will be insulted a lot in life, then.
    Touhou sucks
    :p
  • The sadness will last forever.
    Everything sucks
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    suck suck suck
  • taking something personally when someone does not like what you like

    speaking in vague terms about a conversation you are pretending to not be involved in.
  • The sadness will last forever.
    drinking the pretension kool-aid
  • edited 2013-12-26 23:52:24
    I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Norman, are you trying to egg people on? What with those remarks and the Darwin avatar...
  • The sadness will last forever.
    waffleland
  • The sadness will last forever.
    @Anonus No.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i just found it weird how 'religion might not be so hot but smug is the worst' is apparently antitheism now

    i mean it's good to stand up for your beliefs but there is such a thing as being too easily offended
  • The sadness will last forever.
    Wait, what?
  • Anonus said:

    Norman, are you trying to egg people on? What with those remarks and the Darwin avatar...

    if you have to ask, etc. etc.
  • sooooo CLOTHING THAT I GOT WHILE I WAS OUT:

    * a red pair of chinos

    * a nicely fitting pair of jeans

    * a slightly less well fitting pair of jeans

    * 6 boxer shorts

    * a wonderful pair of penny loafers
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch

    Wait, what?

    you heard

    (i wasn't responding to you)
  • The sadness will last forever.
    And again, I was not trying to make any problems.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    devolution
  • The sadness will last forever.
    Oh
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Then why did you switch to the Darwin avatar now?
  • The sadness will last forever.
    I like that avatar...guess it was a bad time. :/
  • Tachyon said:

    i just found it weird how 'religion might not be so hot but smug is the worst' is apparently antitheism now

    i mean it's good to stand up for your beliefs but there is such a thing as being too easily offended

    i find this weird as well

    like, it's just that religion is definitely a thing alien to how my brain works and most people are religious, so it's kinda disconcerting

    im not saying anything like "grr religious people are baby eating monstrosities who should not be allowed to raise children" or something
  • Honestly I thought that was Socrates.

    All bearded white men from paintings look the same to me, is that racist
  • My thoughts on the current subject are best summed up by this blog post, I think.

    My other thoughts right now are currently consumed by Lovecraftian apprehension at this picture:

    image
  • It's kind of hard to read "religion might not be so hot" as anything other than antireligious.

    Maybe I am too sensitive, I dunno. But you guys know that this is important to me.
  • he's wearing the dog's face
    the dog is wearing his face
    where does it end
  • Honestly I thought that was Socrates.

    All bearded white men from paintings look the same to me, is that racist

    yes.

    actually given how a lot of racism comes from the way that the human brain groups people based on appearance in relation to oneself (*at least this is the impression that i get*) this might actually be kinda related to how racism works
  • The sadness will last forever.
    pugs
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    Haven said:

    My thoughts on the current subject are best summed up by this blog post, I think.


    My other thoughts right now are currently consumed by Lovecraftian apprehension at this picture:

    image
    sweet merciful crap
  • Haven said:

    My thoughts on the current subject are best summed up by this blog post, I think.

    you have reminded me that Dan Savage is a person who has not yet been run over with a large automobile

    my night is RUINED
  • The sadness will last forever.
    dots
  • The sadness will last forever.
    connect the dots
  • Honestly I thought that was Socrates.

    All bearded white men from paintings look the same to me, is that racist

    yes.

    actually given how a lot of racism comes from the way that the human brain groups people based on appearance in relation to oneself (*at least this is the impression that i get*) this might actually be kinda related to how racism works
    Luckily I was being facetious.

    Although I have heard that the argument you refer to is one concocted by racism apologists, so maybe it is also bullshit.

    'Tis hard to tell though.
    Kexruct said:

    It's kind of hard to read "religion might not be so hot" as anything other than antireligious.


    Maybe I am too sensitive, I dunno. But you guys know that this is important to me.
    Honestly Kexruct, I am a devout Christian myself (as I sometimes bring up) and even I think you're being too sensitive right now.

    Granted, I consider myself entirely nondenominational and thus many criticisms of the various Churches specifically do not sting as hard on me as they might on say, my mother, who is a fervent Catholic. That said, I feel you are taking at best a brushing off of organized capital-C Christianity as an attack on yourself, when it is not meant to be.

    Furthermore, Antitheism as a term generally implies some type of malice on the part of the person it is ascribed to, even if that is not actually part of the definition of the word.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    that blog post is fine, in spite of Dan Savage

    the picture took me a moment to figure what was even happening
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