The Trash Heap of the Heapers' Hangout

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  • edited 2013-12-06 23:58:16
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i do not understand any part of that metaphor.

    i am tempted to question whether you really had hold of it to begin with.
  • I've learned to tolerate drama...except on the boat
    Tachyon said:

    Anonus said:

    political correctness


    a term to be avoided on the grounds that it is, in Polly Toynbee's words, "an empty rightwing smear designed only to elevate its user"

    I already thought the Guardian was awesome but dang
    oh, do you have a copy of it?
    No, it's publicly available
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    ...i didn't know that

    why didn't i know that?

    cool

    thanks!
  • i own many books that i have not read.


    though as Umberto Eco pointed out, reading one's personal library rather defeats the point of it.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    (i have an abridged copy, which i was too lazy to consult when posting about it because it's on the other side of the room)
  • ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    Tachyon said:

    i plan on reading that book at some point Aliroz.

    i've set myself the deadline of 'within the next five years' because i have a long to-read list.

    Five earth years, or five Makemake years?
    Pillows said:



    I'm sure it's a fine book, but as Tachyon said, my to-read list is quite long.

    I mean, I've got probably 2,000 pages of material physically sitting on my bookshelf waiting for attention.

    Yeah, you have other things to read, I understand.

    Or, it could be that you don't have the heart to tell me that I hallucinated up that book and all references to it on the internet are fabricated so as to not make me feel bad.  Either way.
  • edited 2013-12-07 00:05:51
    ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    Tachyon said:

    i have, by my estimate, more than 39,000 pages' worth of unread books on my shelves, and that's just what i have with me at uni >_<

    It's fine if you don't read it.  I mean, some people who read it don't even like it at all.
  • ...And even when your hope is gone
    move along, move along, just to make it through
    (2015 self)
    RESURGAM FOR REALS.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Earth years, Aliroz.

    i will do it, you'll see.

    Good night.
  • image Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.
    Twilight Princess made Link right handed and is therefore the worst game to ever exist.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    he's left handed in the GC version which is the proper version

    on the Wii all the Hyrulian is written backwards (which stands out since it's based on English in that game)
  • edited 2013-12-07 00:14:54
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    tbh it kinda bugs me that they flipped the whole map around

    i realize it would have taken a lot longer to create a right-handed character model but it still seems kinda silly

    and y'know, i realize you're taking the piss, but not everyone is right handed; chances are 10% of gamers won't be
  • edited 2013-12-07 00:15:43
    image Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.
    But it set a basis for Skyward Sword, and therefore. Also, since I have never seen a copy of TP GC, it clearly doesn't exist.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    my brother has it
  • edited 2013-12-07 00:17:52
    imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    you've never seen me, how do you know i exist?

    you might be talking to nobody
  • image Wee yea erra chs hymmnos mea.
    I'll go with that line of thought once TP GC starts posting on a forum.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Tachyon said:

    you've never seen me, how do you know i exist?

    you might be talking to nobody

    I have known many gods. He who denies them is as blind as he who trusts them too deeply. I seek not beyond death. It may be the blackness averred by the Nemedian skeptics, or Crom's realm of ice and cloud, or the snowy plains and vaulted halls of the Nordheimer's Valhalla. I know not, nor do I care. Let me live deep while I live; let me know the rich juices of red meat and stinging wine on my palate, the hot embrace of white arms, the mad exultation of battle when the blue blades flame and crimson, and I am content. Let teachers and priests and philosophers brood over questions of reality and illusion. I know this: if life is illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content-Arnold Schwarzenegger.
  • all and all a very good personal philosophy
  • man is like personal philosophy even a real term


    i rather think that it isn't
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    He does not say that in the movie.
  • nonetheless i have used it because i think it conveys the meaning i wanted it to convey
  • edited 2013-12-07 00:31:04

    Odradek, can you think of any philosophers or fields of philosophy or whatever that like focus on how the terminology used in framing a question and how people individually interpret that terminology affects how they see the question?

    if that makes any sense.

    because that's been something i have been curious about for some time
  • My dreams exceed my real life

    Odradek, can you think of any philosophers or fields of philosophy or whatever that like focus on how the terminology used in framing a question and how people individually interpret that terminology affects how they see the question?

    if that makes any sense.

    because that's been something i have been curious about for some time

    Carnap maybe? I dunno.
  • I guess what i'm looking for is a nice foothold or starting place for looking into how philosophy relates to language.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    not really a field of philosophy but a lot of modern critical theory is concerned with the ambiguity of language
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    Tachyon said:

    not really a field of philosophy but a lot of modern critical theory is concerned with the ambiguity of language

    what is that supposed to mean
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    well, i mean, there are introductions to that i could recommend, if you're interested

    it's not really what you asked for
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    Pillows said:

    Tachyon said:

    not really a field of philosophy but a lot of modern critical theory is concerned with the ambiguity of language

    what is that supposed to mean
    intentional fallacy, what do you think it means?
  • iirc critical theory is the application of knowlege from the social sciences to analyze and reflect on how society at large works.

    but i could be wrong there idk
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    I think it means

    Piderman
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Like, Rudolf Carnap said that most of the questions we talk about make sense in given linguistic framework and most of the answers we reach are just interpretation of sense data(Carnap thinks this is what science is) and internal questions that are just the rules of the framework being fleshed out(Carnap thinks this is what math is).

    The big question of what framework to adopt is beyond truth and falsity and we should just pick a framework that works for us and we can broadly agree on.

    This is lost by most of the modern day internet fans of logical empiricism, who just think Carnap's position boils down to "yay science, boo metaphysics"
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    ish?  i've never heard it described that way, but you're not exactly wrong

    in the loosest sense it's applied to the more technical and speculative side of the modern humanities, and doesn't really have any shared aim or methodology besides lexicon and body of reference
  • Odradek said:

    Like, Rudolf Carnap said that most of the questions we talk about make sense in given linguistic framework and most of the answers we reach are just interpretation of sense data(Carnap thinks this is what science is) and internal questions that are just the rules of the framework being fleshed out(Carnap thinks this is what math is).


    The big question of what framework to adopt is beyond truth and falsity and we should just pick a framework that works for us and we can broadly agree on.
    That does sound interesting.

  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    i was responding to Naney but i could have been responding to Pillows if you want
  • not exactly wrong
    this is what i strive for
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    Pidermanish
  • Touch the cow. Do it now.
    not even wrong

    this is what I strive for
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Auuuggh I accidentally looked at Duquette's twitter and he's talking to some lady whining about her racism ruining a documentary on detroit firefighters aaaaaaaaahhh
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    block him
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    or whatever you can do on twitter to make stupid people go away
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Blocking doesn't hide tweets anymore.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    oh :(

    leechblock maybe?
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    idk if that would even work

    naff birds
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Doesn't work on chrome.

    I probably won't accidentally click for a while.

    Just, Jesus, christ.

    I mean they make jokes but they still travel in these circles and call the crazy hatemongers their friends.
  • LWLW
    edited 2013-12-07 01:05:48

    If it is alright to bring up a kind of related topic, how do people read stuff like the aforementioned philosophical texts and actually understand it enough to be interested and conversant in it? I suppose that may be a dumb question, but it is something about which I am sort of curious given that some people seem to enjoy philosophy a great deal while others find it impenetrable.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    LW said:

    If it is alright to bring up a kind of related topic, how do people read stuff like the aforementioned philosophical texts and actually understand it enough to be interested and conversant in it? I suppose that may be a dumb question, but it is something about which I am sort of curious.

    I just kept trying.
  • My dreams exceed my real life
    Also good to see you again LW.
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    @LW i asked Odradek about that a while back, lemme see if i can find the post

    here
    Odradek said:

    Relevant:But to play on Tolstoy’s famous saying about families, maybe it should be said that “lucid philosophers are all lucid in the same way, but difficult philosophers are each difficult for their own specific reasons.”

    For instance, I would say that Bruno the Nolan is difficult because he doesn’t have a clear enough sense of the key principles of his system. Hegel is difficult because everything keeps flipping upside-down, and wherever you’re standing gets negated just as soon as you’ve figured out where you are. Derrida is difficult because he tries very hard to position himself beyond any definite statement about anything. Heidegger is difficult (at first) only because he’s dense. Husserl is difficult because his tone remains pedantic even when his subject matter is juicy. Aristotle is difficult because his style is too clipped (hence the old “his books are actually just his lecture notes” rumor, though count me with the party of scholars who don’t believe it). Sellars is difficult because he doesn’t write very well. Quine is difficult because he bores me and I don’t enjoy spending any more time in his company than is absolutely necessary. Bergson is difficult because about 90% of his ideas are new, when as Marshall McLuhan was told by his publisher a readable book should only be about 10% new (I’d rather an author be 90% new, of course, but it does make Bergson harder to read than the 10% new author). Whitehead is difficult because, as has been said (by Stengers, or was she just reporting it from someone else?), reading him is like whale watching– “thar she blows!”, a beautiful sentence surrounded by paragraphs of mumbling and the shuffling of papers.

    Actually, I can give a better explanation of what makes Heidegger difficult. It’s not just that he’s dense, it’s that he creates too much alternate terminological apparatus for what is really a fairly simple philosophical position. It’s as if Parmenides had generated 60 or 70 pairs of terms to say “being is, and non-being is not”. I’ll admit that’s a slight exaggeration of Heidegger’s simplicity, but not by much.

    this looks to be quoting somebody but google was no help
  • imagei will watch the heck outta this pumpkin patch
    anyway, i thought that was helpful because it gives you an insight into where specific philosophers are coming from and why they write the way they do
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