Something I've noticed about creationists, while reading RW: They word their criticism of science as if it's an argument in a criminal trial in the US, where the goal is to show reasonable doubt, not to prove fact (as it would be in a civil case). I have to wonder if some of them really do think they're Perry Mason. :P
i think that makes sense, tbh
you can't really argue with the facts, since the evidence for evolution and the age of the Earth and the expanding universe is overwhelming
so their best hope is to say 'yeah but it might not be'
also we live in a culture which privileges the Biblical narrative above all others, so i guess they assume that science is merely raising objections to the established doctrine
if they can argue that science *might* not be right, they win by default
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
also we live in a culture which privileges the Biblical narrative above all others, so i guess they assume that science is merely raising objections to the established doctrine
Yup, and when you try to tell them they're not in a criminal trial, they're like "Yes we are, because you're a sinner and you're going to Hell if I don't get my way."
also we live in a culture which privileges the Biblical narrative above all others, so i guess they assume that science is merely raising objections to the established doctrine
What period England do you live in?
What period England do i, Lee and the creationists Lee is referencing all simultaneously live in?
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
and i do stand by what i said, even allowing for the fact that in secular societies evolution and the big bang are often taken as read
England and the US are still culturally Christian, meaning that anything that contradicts the Bible is interpreted as a direct challenge to it
Granted that we're culturally Christian, but science is most certainly privileged over culture. As far back as Maistre, defenders of Christianity saw that it was a losing position to say that Christianity trumps science: they had to show their compatibility.
I don't really understand creationists, but I thik they want to show that Genesis and science are compatible by "proving" modern biology to be bad science.
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
Granted that we're culturally Christian, but science is most certainly privileged over culture. As far back as Maistre, defenders of Christianity saw that it was a losing position to say that Christianity trumps science: they had to show their compatibility.
science might be, but science isn't really a doctrine in the same sense, it's more like a project or a method
i think it's accurate to say that specific scientific claims, like the theory of evolution, do not have that privilege, at least not yet, which is why people like the Intelligent Design crowd wish to show that it's bad science
and i maintain that underlying this is the assumption that if science is wrong, Christianity wins by default; nobody suggests that if the theory of evolution were disproven we'd have to afford equal credence to the creation myths of other cultures
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
and i maintain that underlying this is the assumption that if science is wrong, Christianity wins by default; nobody suggests that if the theory of evolution were disproven we'd have to afford equal credence to the creation myths of other cultures
Well, it's natural that people only know their own culture. Leave criticizing science because it claims humans have been around less than a million years to actual Hindus.
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
"It is a matter of grave importance that Fairy tales should be respected.... Whosoever alters them to suit his own opinions, whatever they are, is guilty, to our thinking, of an act of presumption, and appropriates to himself what does not belong to him." -- Charles Dickens
I wonder in what sense the etiological stories taught as science aren't also myths.
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
Bleh, can't stay awake tonight
I dreamed I was a disabled magical girl
I don't know exactly what my disability was, but I needed a cane
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
Lesson learned: Xubuntu sucks at power management compared to Windows 8.1
With Windows I can leave the laptop on and fall asleep and there'll still be plenty of battery life when I wake up; I did the same with Xubuntu just now and it was down to 30%!
More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
I'm cringing as I watch this A Link to the Past longplay because like omg the player keeps missing obvious things and like, generally having no manual skill and not figuring the patterns out. But w/e they get all the items and I didn't want to *play* the game again this year since that would eat up *time.*
I'm cringing as I watch this A Link to the Past longplay because like omg the player keeps missing obvious things and like, generally having no manual skill and not figuring the patterns out. But w/e they get all the items and I didn't want to *play* the game again this year since that would eat up *time.*
when i was unable to play Madness Returns i liked watching videos of it on Youtube
but i would get frustrated, since i didn't want commentary, but the ones without commentary were also really bad at the game
You are the end result of a “would you push the button” prompt where the prompt was “you have unlimited godlike powers but you appear to all and sundry to be an impetuous child” – Zero, 2022
^^ Ah, that does make sense, you live in Colorado
I've seen a few frogs from the creek that runs through our neighborhood...
More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
Well like, at least this player never dies, and knows all the fastest routes to 100% completion, but like, I guess I'm whining because I see things like consistently deflecting magic balls at the wrong angle or like, hitting electric enemies with the sword at the wrong time and getting zapped.
More people have said that and been killed than there are thorium decay products.
oh I hate aimless wandering. I always skip it. But like, the people I like to watch play are almost never the sort who don't know exactly what they are doing.
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you can't really argue with the facts, since the evidence for evolution and the age of the Earth and the expanding universe is overwhelming
so their best hope is to say 'yeah but it might not be'
if they can argue that science *might* not be right, they win by default
England and the US are still culturally Christian, meaning that anything that contradicts the Bible is interpreted as a direct challenge to it
The Life of Brian was banned in this part of Wales until 2009
Granted that we're culturally Christian, but science is most certainly privileged over culture. As far back as Maistre, defenders of Christianity saw that it was a losing position to say that Christianity trumps science: they had to show their compatibility.
I don't really understand creationists, but I thik they want to show that Genesis and science are compatible by "proving" modern biology to be bad science.
science might be, but science isn't really a doctrine in the same sense, it's more like a project or a method
i think it's accurate to say that specific scientific claims, like the theory of evolution, do not have that privilege, at least not yet, which is why people like the Intelligent Design crowd wish to show that it's bad science
and i maintain that underlying this is the assumption that if science is wrong, Christianity wins by default; nobody suggests that if the theory of evolution were disproven we'd have to afford equal credence to the creation myths of other cultures
since everyone including the mayor believed it was banned, not sure how much difference that makes
i was just giving what i believe to be the reason for certain aspects of creationist rhetoric
namely the apparent implication that if specific scientific theories are wrong, the Christian explanation must be the correct one
I wonder in what sense the etiological stories taught as science aren't also myths.
(tho i didn't mean 'myth' pejoratively)
presumably a different species
but i would get frustrated, since i didn't want commentary, but the ones without commentary were also really bad at the game
do you get newts? they seem to like similar environments to frogs...
granted i've done that myself, but i don't make videos of myself doing that and upload them to YouTube